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Season 3 of Shameless felt uneven because they forgot the comedy part, it's just depressing, wrist cutting drama. Still in my top 3 favorite shows but drat S3 was rough.
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Jan 4, 2014 05:49
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Masters of Sex is worth watching, it struggles with a Mary Sue main character but it has some really interesting, well written side characters who make it more than worth it. You'll know if you like the show after the first episode or two, it's not one of those shows where people say "oh give it three seasons before making up your mind!". You can't go wrong with watching an episode or two of it.
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MrA is right, Community is really good again. Like, season 1/2 good again. 
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precision posted:MrA is right, Community is really good again. Like, season 1/2 good again. Give it more than two episodes before we start with the "as good as season 2" talk. I'm just happy it's trending in the right direction, and actually funny again.
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Jan 4, 2014 06:35
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Yoshifan823 posted:Give it more than two episodes before we start with the "as good as season 2" talk. I'm just happy it's trending in the right direction, and actually funny again. Fair enough. I'm just surprised because I'm one of those miserably cynical people who thought Dan Harmon had blown his wad and wouldn't deliver anything remarkable this year after the disaster that season 3 was.
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Omelette du Fromage posted:I think Avatar has to be in the list of best sci fi movies Not really, it's not even in the running for the Best James Cameron Sci-fi movie. I'd place it after Terminator 1 & 2, Aliens, and put it neck and neck with The Abyss, although I would say that I prefer The Abyss over Avatar.
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Season 3 of Community is still the best season, though.
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precision posted:Fair enough. I'm just surprised because I'm one of those miserably cynical people who thought Dan Harmon had blown his wad and wouldn't deliver anything remarkable this year after the disaster that season 3 was. Harmon is just one of those people who needs someone to follow him around with a rolled up newspaper to smack him when he starts to do something terrible. In other words, an editor, like being fired from your own show. I'm not surprised that Community under him is good again* because the guy clearly has a ton of talent when he isn't so far up his own rear end he can see daylight. * S4 was fine. e: thrakkorzog posted:Not really, it's not even in the running for the Best James Cameron Sci-fi movie. I'd place it after Terminator 1 & 2, Aliens, and put it neck and neck with The Abyss, although I would say that I prefer The Abyss over Avatar. Avatar was great, and really being middling among James Cameron movies is nothing to be ashamed of. IRQ fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Jan 4, 2014 |
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MrAristocrates posted:Season 3 of Community is still the best season, though. Why do you complain so much about slapfights and arguing RE: Community and then make posts like this out of nowhe- 
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I'm not touching the thread with a ten foot pole, could somebody summarize the Community bullshit? The only thing I think I know is Harmon got fired for being an rear end in a top hat to Chevy, show got cancelled, then Chevy got fired so they could bring back Harmon?
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Jan 4, 2014 11:48
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Bown posted:Why do you complain so much about slapfights and arguing RE: Community and then make posts like this out of nowhe- Some things are worth fighting for.
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Jan 4, 2014 11:55
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Midnight City posted:I'm not touching the thread with a ten foot pole, could somebody summarize the Community bullshit? The only thing I think I know is Harmon got fired for being an rear end in a top hat to Chevy, show got cancelled, then Chevy got fired so they could bring back Harmon? So anyway, now, Dan Harmon is back, and based on the 1 hour premiere, season 5 is good (or trending in that direction) again, since most people probably laughed at it more than all of season 4. Season 5 spoiler: Chevy and Dan are not on as bad terms as everyone seems to think; Dan asked nicely and Chevy made a surprise cameo in the season premiere.
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Thanks. Yeah, I watched the first two episodes of season 5 and it was shockingly better than all of 4. A few more episodes and it might go back to being a show I actually look forward to watching each week.
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Season 5 of Community is an improvement over 4, but its still not "good." None of the characters' motivations except Jeff's have been fleshed out, so it seems like they're all attending their fifth year of community college not because they need or want to, but because they're characters in a tv show and that's what tv characters do. Until the show works out that little snag and gives each character his own raison d'être, its going to be held back by the falseness of its premise.
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Bown posted:Why do you complain so much about slapfights and arguing RE: Community and then make posts like this out of nowhe- It's the narcissism of small differences.
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Irish Joe posted:Season 5 of Community is an improvement over 4, but its still not "good." None of the characters' motivations except Jeff's have been fleshed out, so it seems like they're all attending their fifth year of community college not because they need or want to, but because they're characters in a tv show and that's what tv characters do. Until the show works out that little snag and gives each character his own raison d'être, its going to be held back by the falseness of its premise. So yeah, it's loving great, what other proof do you need?
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EL BROMANCE posted:And who the gently caress is Russell Brand?! The leader of the revolution, our Lord and Saviour  e: All this talk of Community improving is encouraging but I don't want to commit to the show when I know my favourite part of it is barely in this season 
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Jan 4, 2014 13:18
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Palooka posted:So, I have a feeling I know what the answer will be in light of the last few pages, buuuuuuut… Masters of Sex is fine, but not amazing. I don't think the show would be that interesting without Lizzy Caplan, Beau Bridges, and Allison Janney.
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MrAristocrates posted:So it's loving great, what other proof do you need? I watched the first episode and everything was an improvement except for the comedy and the characters so I'd probably need more proof than the opinion of a terrible poster. You're entire OP is a complaint about people arguing over the show while inviting it and then you pop into other threads and post poo poo like this. More proof that people who stuck around after Season 3 just love misery.
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Rarity posted:The leader of the revolution, our Lord and Saviour Wrong Russell Brand! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvvP3QV15FI
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I liked both Community episodes and I think everyone who watches it including myself is a huge moron so take that as you will.
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Irish Joe posted:Season 5 of Community is an improvement over 4, but its still not "good." None of the characters' motivations except Jeff's have been fleshed out, so it seems like they're all attending their fifth year of community college not because they need or want to, but because they're characters in a tv show and that's what tv characters do. Until the show works out that little snag and gives each character his own raison d'être, its going to be held back by the falseness of its premise. I have to agree with that. It's better than S4 (which wasn't as atrocious as some make it sound), and especially the second episode has some good stuff (anything involving Jonathan Banks), but it isn't really that far above S4 like it is some Manna out of heaven. I also agree with the zero motivation (or even in retreads in case of Abed) for anyone aside Jeff. Still, as long as it doesn't disappear up its own rear end like S3 I'm happy.
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Decius posted:I have to agree with that. It's better than S4 (which wasn't as atrocious as some make it sound), and especially the second episode has some good stuff (anything involving Jonathan Banks), but it isn't really that far above S4 like it is some Manna out of heaven. I also agree with the zero motivation (or even in retreads in case of Abed) for anyone aside Jeff. Still, as long as it doesn't disappear up its own rear end like S3 I'm happy. Apparently episode 4 is supposed to be "really good" so we still have that to look forward to- and the opener isn't just a fluke.
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Argue posted:In other words, if Community ever gets cancelled, Dan's next show could be about the behind the scenes of Community and it would have about the same amount of nuttiness and drama. Let's call it "After Community"! I'll wait here for my royalty check.
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Jan 4, 2014 16:51
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Pinwiz11 posted:Let's call it "After Community"! I'll wait here for my royalty check. Isn't "After Community" basically what this season is? The characters are all back for flimsy reasons and Abed directly made a reference to the last season of Scrubs (although not AfterMASH, oddly). It is actually funny though and I like when comedies are funny so I'll keep watching as long as that keeps up. No reason to get all SMG Jr. about character motivations; the last time they tried that Inspector Spacetime happened, after all.
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raditts posted:Isn't "After Community" basically what this season is? The characters are all back for flimsy reasons and Abed directly made a reference to the last season of Scrubs (although not AfterMASH, oddly). It is actually funny though and I like when comedies are funny so I'll keep watching as long as that keeps up. No reason to get all SMG Jr. about character motivations; the last time they tried that Inspector Spacetime happened, after all. Yeah, gently caress basic writing tenants like " character motivation", that poo poo's for over-analytical nerds. Just get a bunch of people to make references to things and funny one-liners. What's that, that show already exists and is called Family Guy? And most if not all good shows rely on character motivation because, once again, it's a basic tenant of script writing and is one of the reasons Community was so good in the first place? Also, Inspector Spacetime was a joke that turned into something terrible because nerds can't let a good thing lie.
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Yoshifan823 posted:Also, Inspector Spacetime was a joke that turned into something terrible because nerds can't let a good thing lie. Little did we know how closely the series as a whole would follow this trajectory. Episode Two of Season Five was pretty good, to be fair.
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Yoshifan823 posted:Yeah, gently caress basic writing tenants like " character motivation", that poo poo's for over-analytical nerds. Just get a bunch of people to make references to things and funny one-liners. Oh for gently caress's sake, all I'm saying is that the thing they should focus on is making the show funny over focusing on character arcs or whatever Joe was on about, which is something it's been sorely lacking for the last 1 1/2 seasons. It is entirely possible to still have good characterization while keeping comedy at the forefront of your comedy show, you know. No reason to become a giant blubbery snarky baby about it.
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While the reasons for getting them all back were certainly flimsy, I can forgive that, 'cos Community is about a community college and I'm not sure there'd be any satisfying way to give them all good motivations to re-enrol, so I'm glad they just busted through what they had to in Ep1 and came up with a really good Ep2.
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PriorMarcus posted:Little did we know how closely the series as a whole would follow this trajectory. Your constant quest to justify and re-earn your avatar is quite remarkable. BrooklynBruiser fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Jan 4, 2014 |
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Jan 4, 2014 19:08
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BrooklynBruiser posted:Your constant quest to justify and re-earn your avatar is quite remarkable. You've posted this before. My negativity isn't meant to be an attack, it's just how I enjoy posting and venting my negative opinions. I'm much more positive in person.
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It's because they failed at whatever they were trying to do. A lot of the time people go back to school when that happens.
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Season 4 was Community's best season. The only time it was funny.
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The only real issue I have with Community season 4 is that it's nowhere near as funny - take any incidental dialogue scene from any of the episodes and it will be worse than 95% of the incidental dialogue scenes from seasons 1-3 (98% if you don't count the first few eps of season 1).
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PriorMarcus posted:I'm much more positive in person. Well it's not like that would be difficult 
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raditts posted:Oh for gently caress's sake, all I'm saying is that the thing they should focus on is making the show funny over focusing on character arcs or whatever Joe was on about, which is something it's been sorely lacking for the last 1 1/2 seasons. It is entirely possible to still have good characterization while keeping comedy at the forefront of your comedy show, you know. No reason to become a giant blubbery snarky baby about it. I think it's perfectly fine for a show that falls into the "comedy" label to focus on things other than just how funny they can be. Worked for the Firesigns.
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Maxwell Lord posted:I think it's perfectly fine for a show that falls into the "comedy" label to focus on things other than just how funny they can be. Worked for the Firesigns. Also, different things are funny to different people. For instance, I recently watched the movie American Hustle and then looked it up on Rotten Tomatoes, which to my utter bewilderment summarized it as "Riotously funny" whereas I was convinced it was a drama. I only smiled and/or chuckled maybe once or twice during its entire 2.5 hour run (particularly J-Law's scenes; please hand her another Oscar for this, Academy) so I was just astonished that some would consider it a comedy, but there you go. From now on I will never say comedy is not subjective again.
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Joramun posted:Also, different things are funny to different people. For instance, I recently watched the movie American Hustle and then looked it up on Rotten Tomatoes, which to my utter bewilderment summarized it as "Riotously funny" whereas I was convinced it was a drama. I only smiled and/or chuckled maybe once or twice during its entire 2.5 hour run (particularly J-Law's scenes; please hand her another Oscar for this, Academy) It's Amy Adams' turn, dammit!
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American Hustle doesn't even work as a drama; it feels completely empty. It was only when I realised it was meant to be a comedy that it started making sense.
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