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Lucy Heartfilia
May 31, 2012


Randler posted:

So unpopular was the SED, that nobody in East Germany ever voted for the SPD or the Linke ever again, transforming the East into a CDU stronghold for years to come...

Wikipedia has some pretty nice maps:


Edit: Note the percentages for the darkest color for the CDU/CSU. gently caress Bavaria.

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Bufonide
Apr 21, 2012

Eezee posted:

http://www.regensburg-digital.de/urmann-und-collegen-porno-pranger-kanzlei-unterliegt-in-musterprozess/05072013/

I hope their other cases get a similar judge. :allears:

Edit: Actually just saw that that article is really old, but still good to see those copyright trolls lose.

Here is another article on this (partly) very funny affair:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/16/thousands-germans-legal-warning-letters-copyrighted-porn

My favorite quote:

"Solmecke said he had received thousands of calls from people unsure whether to pay the fine or not. Most of them remember having accessed RedTube.com in the past, though none of them had very clear recollections about the titles and storylines of the films they had watched."

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Lucy Heartfilia posted:

Wikipedia has some pretty nice maps:


Edit: Note the percentages for the darkest color for the CDU/CSU. gently caress Bavaria.

Considering how East Germany also has all the NPD and AfD strongholds (:suicide:) I wonder how much of the medium pink parts is protest votes with a side order of Ostalgie :allears:

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

Radical votes are basically protest votes by definition, though. If you reckon the current system is good enough, you don't vote to change it dramatically.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

V. Illych L. posted:

Radical votes are basically protest votes by definition, though. If you reckon the current system is good enough, you don't vote to change it dramatically.

That's not what "protest vote" means. A protest vote is a vote for a radical party to signal your discontent, rather than because you actually agree with the radical party. Somebody who votes NPD because they agree with the platform is not a protest voter. In this case it's reasonable to assume that a fair percentage of those voting for the AfD or NPD are protest voters, since the AfD caps out at 8.2%, with the NPD at 5.1%. Die Linke on the other hand has votes all the way up to 34.6%, in other words, on the communal level in these places, they are the orthodox choice. That makes it pretty clear that in those cases, they're probably not a protest vote, even if they're a radical party.

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS
In today's press release ([*.PDF]) the LG Köln announced two new bits of information about the latest cease-and-desist orders relating to the streaming of pornographic content. Due to the public interest in those cases two decisions denying a court order against the ISPs will be released on the state's database of court decisions for easier public access. Furthermore, under the facts as they appear now some chambers of the court have already announced that they will likely overturn their previous decisions, should a legal remedy be sought. Regarding the latter, one should remember that those court orders were in all likehood granted under the mistaken impression, that these were regular filesharing cases due to ambigously phrased motions.

Coupled with criminal investigations into how the IP adresses were acquired and whether the cease-and-desists might be considered fraudulent, it seems unlikely that cease-and-desisting stream watchers will become the new fad for easy, yet questionable, money making.

Randler fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Dec 20, 2013

Landsknecht
Oct 27, 2009
I hope this person is trolling, nobody can be so unfunny and dumb

Randler posted:

In today's press release ([*.PDF]) the LG Köln announced two new bits of information about the latest cease-and-desist orders relating to the streaming of pornographic content. Due to the public interest in those cases two decisions denying a court order against the ISPs will be released on the state's database of court decisions for easier public access. Furthermore, under the facts as they appear now some chambers of the court have already announced that they will likely overturn their previous decisions, should a legal remedy be sought. Regarding the latter, one should remember that those court orders were in all likehood granted under the mistaken impression, that these were regular filesharing cases due to ambigously phrased motions.

Coupled with criminal investigations into how the IP adresses were acquired and whether the cease-and-desists might be considered fraudulent, it seems unlikely that cease-and-desisting stream watchers will become the new fad for easy, yet questionable, money making.

Well this is good; I seem to remember that the standard "Piraten-Abmahnung" was sent because users uploaded something; and streaming as a protocol doesn't require uploading. I wonder how much could have realistically been demanded for copyright infringement due to streaming, wouldn't it only be like 15-25Eur (like the cost of a dvd?).

elwood
Mar 28, 2001

by Smythe

Landsknecht posted:

Well this is good; I seem to remember that the standard "Piraten-Abmahnung" was sent because users uploaded something; and streaming as a protocol doesn't require uploading. I wonder how much could have realistically been demanded for copyright infringement due to streaming, wouldn't it only be like 15-25Eur (like the cost of a dvd?).


They want 15 € in damages and 235€ in fees and expenses.

Landsknecht
Oct 27, 2009
I hope this person is trolling, nobody can be so unfunny and dumb

elwood posted:

They want 15 € in damages and 235€ in fees and expenses.

Wasn't everything limited to a maximum of 100€ for an Abmahnung? I thought there was now a legal limit (at least in some states) on what you could demand. I'm really surprised that there isn't some kind of rule stating that you can only charge a certain % of the damages as a fee, to stop this whole thing.

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

Landsknecht posted:

Wasn't everything limited to a maximum of 100€ for an Abmahnung? I thought there was now a legal limit (at least in some states) on what you could demand. I'm really surprised that there isn't some kind of rule stating that you can only charge a certain % of the damages as a fee. to stop this whole thing.

§ 97a II UrhG included a maximum of 100 € for legal fees for various copyright infringements. Since the 09th Octobre 2013, there is a new version of § 97a UrhG, though. This one does not limit legal fees to 100 €. Instead it limits the Gegenstandswert, from which legal fees are calculated. In practise, this will result in the limit for legal fee reimbursement to be higher than the 100 € rule of the past. I don't have one of those cease-and-desists letters available right now, but according to lawblog (:argh:) the actual lawyer fees are only 169,50 €, with the rest being reimbursement for the investigation firm. That's not obviously too high though it still might have been calculated wrongly.

Calculating legal fees only on the % of damages is not feasible, by the way, because you have to ascribe a monetiary value to the request for the Unterlassungserklärung as well, which will be higher than the material damages due to the Vertragsstrafe in the Unterlassungserklärung.

Randler fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Dec 28, 2013

Lucy Heartfilia
May 31, 2012


I hope this piece of poo poo Pofalla doesn't get the Deutsche Bahn position.

Remember what he said about Schröder and Gazprom:

quote:

2005 hatte Pofalla den ehemaligen Bundeskanzler Gerhard Schröder nämlich noch scharf für dessen Wechsel zum russischen Gaskonzern Gazprom kritisiert. Damals forderte er: „Jetzt kommen wir an einer rechtlichen Regelung wohl nicht vorbei: Es ist offensichtlich eine Illusion zu glauben, dass der Appell an politischen Anstand alleine ausreicht, um solche Fälle zu verhindern. Ich könnte mir eine Art Selbstverpflichtung von Regierungsmitgliedern vorstellen, für die Zeit nach Ausscheiden aus dem Amt sich geschäftliche Rücksicht aufzuerlegen. Auch Karenzzeiten halte ich für vorstellbar.“

ArchangeI
Jul 15, 2010
Aren't there any FDP politicians who could use an Anschlussverwendung? And the Schröder gazprom deal was even more crass because Schröder negotiated the gas deal with the pipeline in the Baltic.

In unrelated news, when will the government finally address the menace that is winter? Two prominent Germans lie in the hospital after they were deliberately and cowardly attacked by winter when they were traveling on their skis. Where is the police? Where is the Army? When will someone finally do something?

e X
Feb 23, 2013

cool but crude
I don't know where you live, but I can report that winter is s effectively dead in Northern Germany.

Sereri
Sep 30, 2008

awwwrigami

ArchangeI posted:

In unrelated news, when will the government finally address the menace that is winter? Two prominent Germans lie in the hospital after they were deliberately and cowardly attacked by winter when they were traveling on their skis. Where is the police? Where is the Army? When will someone finally do something?

Both attacks happened in the alps, I think we need to invade establish a peace mission in the alps for the safety of all our citizens on vacation there. I'm sure they'll see us as liberators and greet us with Edelweiß.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


e X posted:

I don't know where you live, but I can report that winter is s effectively dead in Northern Germany.

Don't say this, now we'll get a blizzard by Friday :ohdear:

Goa Tse-tung
Feb 11, 2008

;3

Yams Fan

e X posted:

I don't know where you live, but I can report that winter is s effectively dead in Northern Germany.

We do have the Gefahrenzone in Hamburg now, though. Thanks Schill. I mean Scholz.

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

The Real Foogla posted:

We do have the Gefahrenzone in Hamburg now, though. Thanks Schill. I mean Scholz.

I'm pretty sure Olaf Scholz has better things to do with his life than throwing bricks at police officers. So it seems kind of unfair to blame him for that.

bronin
Oct 15, 2009

use it or throw it away
It's 10 degrees Celsius here near the Alps. Don't worry though, winter will come soon. With poo poo loads of snow and temperatures below -20. God I hate winter...

elwood
Mar 28, 2001

by Smythe

bronin posted:

Don't worry though, winter will come soon. With poo poo loads of snow and temperatures below -20. God I hate winter...

I like snow shoveling. I find it really relaxing.

Sereri
Sep 30, 2008

awwwrigami

bronin posted:

It's 10 degrees Celsius here near the Alps. Don't worry though, winter will come soon. With poo poo loads of snow and temperatures below -20. God I hate winter...

Honest to god, the worst part of winter for me is when it's 5-10° cloudy and wet. I'd welcome actual winter with open arm. That said I use the ÖPNV and could work from home if need be, so the "unerwartete und unvorhersehbare Wintereinbruch" on the streets wouldn't matter that much to me.

bronin
Oct 15, 2009

use it or throw it away

Sereri posted:

Honest to god, the worst part of winter for me is when it's 5-10° cloudy and wet. I'd welcome actual winter with open arm. That said I use the ÖPNV and could work from home if need be, so the "unerwartete und unvorhersehbare Wintereinbruch" on the streets wouldn't matter that much to me.

I'm with you on the cloudy and wet part. If it snows once or twice, stays cold and the roads are free from snow it's actually alright.

Zwille
Aug 18, 2006

* For the Ghost Who Walks Funny
I love the below -10 fuckoff cold waves. Always nice to think your face is falling off. Also I wanna wear the duffle coat I bought, dammit.

Regarding Hamburg: Wasn't the Innensenator responsible for the Gefahrenzone bullshit put into office by the Schill Bürgerschaft anyway?

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?
Completely different question regarding Hamburg and Berlin:

What would be the cheapest and/or most convenient ways of parking over a weekend there? Bunch of dudes are currently planning a goonmeet and while we haven't agreed on where to go yet, the Bahnpreise, even the Spardeals for a weekend late-February are ludicrously expensive, so I'm thinking about just splitting gasmoney 3-ways and parking my ride there at some convenient spot.

Barring a hotel that includes a parking spot, I'd think that'd be my cheapest option.

Total Confusion
Oct 9, 2004

Duzzy Funlop posted:

Completely different question regarding Hamburg and Berlin:

What would be the cheapest and/or most convenient ways of parking over a weekend there? Bunch of dudes are currently planning a goonmeet and while we haven't agreed on where to go yet, the Bahnpreise, even the Spardeals for a weekend late-February are ludicrously expensive, so I'm thinking about just splitting gasmoney 3-ways and parking my ride there at some convenient spot.

Barring a hotel that includes a parking spot, I'd think that'd be my cheapest option.

Is mitfahrgelegenheit not an option?

Zwille
Aug 18, 2006

* For the Ghost Who Walks Funny
You can park for free in lots of locations. Just need to find a spot first, and an U/S-Bahn station usually isn't far away either. Hamburg isn't that different in that regard except a bit crappier public transport coverage and the whole Gefahrengebiet thing.

Landsknecht
Oct 27, 2009
I hope this person is trolling, nobody can be so unfunny and dumb

Zwille posted:

You can park for free in lots of locations. Just need to find a spot first, and an U/S-Bahn station usually isn't far away either. Hamburg isn't that different in that regard except a bit crappier public transport coverage and the whole Gefahrengebiet thing.

If you're just going to leave your car somewhere in Berlin, you can usually find decent/free parking around the Sbahnhof in many of the smaller suburb towns (which are actually in Brandenburg, heh.

Zwille
Aug 18, 2006

* For the Ghost Who Walks Funny
That's not necessary at all. Any train/subway station is gonna have some spot nearby that's free, even if it's not a parking lot (which you have to pay for most of the time).

Default Settings
May 29, 2001

Keep your 'lectric eye on me, babe
Last time I traveled to a German city I used Google Maps satellite view to find an area of low-density building (single family homes) near a subway station. Best place to find free spots.

William Bear
Oct 26, 2012

"That's what they all say!"

Duzzy Funlop posted:

Completely different question regarding Hamburg and Berlin:

What would be the cheapest and/or most convenient ways of parking over a weekend there? Bunch of dudes are currently planning a goonmeet and while we haven't agreed on where to go yet, the Bahnpreise, even the Spardeals for a weekend late-February are ludicrously expensive, so I'm thinking about just splitting gasmoney 3-ways and parking my ride there at some convenient spot.

Barring a hotel that includes a parking spot, I'd think that'd be my cheapest option.

You're going to Hamburg? Be careful, the US Department of State has even issued a travel warning to much of the nightlife areas of the city.

http://germany.usembassy.gov/hamburg-restricted-zone/

I'm surprised no one in the thread has mentioned it, yet. Lots of people getting injured over evictions of squatters. This article has a good summary of events.

http://rt.com/news/hamburg-rote-flora-clashes-635/

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

William Bear posted:

I'm surprised no one in the thread has mentioned it, yet. Lots of people getting injured over evictions of squatters. This article has a good summary of events.

http://rt.com/news/hamburg-rote-flora-clashes-635/

Somebody mentioned it a few posts ago and the Facism in Europe thread mentioned it as well. But unfortunately political violence from the extreme left is hardly newsworthy anymore when it comes to Hamburg.

elbkaida
Jan 13, 2008
Look!

William Bear posted:

You're going to Hamburg? Be careful, the US Department of State has even issued a travel warning to much of the nightlife areas of the city.

http://germany.usembassy.gov/hamburg-restricted-zone/

Haha, brilliant.

quote:

Even demonstrations intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational and escalate into violence. You should avoid areas of demonstrations or public gatherings, especially in the restricted areas, and exercise caution if in the vicinity of any large gatherings, protests, or demonstrations.

Normally you read these kind of warnings about countries like Lebanon or Egypt.

Declaring the Gefahrengebiet is such a ridiculous move to me, I don't get the weird hard-on for law&order shenanigans they have in Hamburg.

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
How comparable/dissimilar (beyond their smaller scope and intensity) are the Hamburg riots to the riots in 2011 in the UK, or the Stockholm riots 2013? Are the motives and composition of the protesters similar?

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

Gold and a Pager posted:

Is mitfahrgelegenheit not an option?

While I wouldn't mind it for a more casual trip, I've made some fairly bad experiences with Mitfahrgelegenheit in cases where I was on a schedule. Plus, there's a strong probability of us having our own little Mitfahrgelegenheit just by splitting gas money between 3 folks, so while being as cheap as Mitfahrgelegenheit.de, it's somewhat more convenient because everyone's on the same schedule and has the same interested vested in getting there as opposed to bailing on the trip last-second.

And we'll be a group of 20-30 people, so solitary hoodlums or small groups of them shouldn't really be too much of a hazard. We're obviously all combat-rated, neck-bebearded goons, most of which have watched at least one MMA match or streetfight on Youtube. And noone is planning to go anywhere near demonstrations or large idling crowds and such.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

Cingulate posted:

How comparable/dissimilar (beyond their smaller scope and intensity) are the Hamburg riots to the riots in 2011 in the UK, or the Stockholm riots 2013? Are the motives and composition of the protesters similar?

Let's please call them "riots" (quotation marks) because you can't compare them to stuff that non-germans would see as a riot. As far as I know the last incident was maybe 30? people throwing stones at a police station and stuff like that.

There are basicly 3 big topics they are protesting:

1st Esso houses, which are a few apartment complexes that are in danger to collapse and therefore may no longer be inhabited and are scheduled for demolishen
2nd the "Rote Flora" which is a place where hardcore leftists could meet.
and 3rd a group of illegal immigrants from africa called "Lampedusa Group" (because they came via the italian island of Lampedusa)

But the riots are mostly caused by people who just hated the police and want streetfights called "autonomer block".

Duzzy Funlop posted:

While I wouldn't mind it for a more casual trip, I've made some fairly bad experiences with Mitfahrgelegenheit in cases where I was on a schedule. Plus, there's a strong probability of us having our own little Mitfahrgelegenheit just by splitting gas money between 3 folks, so while being as cheap as Mitfahrgelegenheit.de, it's somewhat more convenient because everyone's on the same schedule and has the same interested vested in getting there as opposed to bailing on the trip last-second.

And we'll be a group of 20-30 people, so solitary hoodlums or small groups of them shouldn't really be too much of a hazard. We're obviously all combat-rated, neck-bebearded goons, most of which have watched at least one MMA match or streetfight on Youtube. And noone is planning to go anywhere near demonstrations or large idling crowds and such.

Are you going to be around the car 100% of time? otherwise the investment in a cheap parking space that has some measure of security might not be the worst idea, especially in Berlin.

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE
No posts about a prominent German football player coming out?

Lucy Heartfilia
May 31, 2012


Public reaction has been overwhelmingly positive. Which is good, of course. But there is sadly still a good reason why he didn't come out during his active time. Babysteps...

elbkaida
Jan 13, 2008
Look!

GaussianCopula posted:

Are you going to be around the car 100% of time? otherwise the investment in a cheap parking space that has some measure of security might not be the worst idea, especially in Berlin.

If you are not parking in front of some bars full of drunks it shouldn't be a problem IMO.

Torrannor posted:

No posts about a prominent German football player coming out?

Only in the Bundesliga thread a few, but nobody is really phased one way or another it seems.

Lucy Heartfilia
May 31, 2012


At the moment Germany is pretty boring. Nothing anyone really cares about. Even the elections were kinda meh.

Sereri
Sep 30, 2008

awwwrigami

Torrannor posted:

No posts about a prominent German football player coming out?

They are here

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Landsknecht
Oct 27, 2009
I hope this person is trolling, nobody can be so unfunny and dumb

I hope it will be a good thing, it seems that a lot of homophobia still exists in the working classes, and maybe this will help. If the working classes actually change a bit, maybe the CDU will manage to come around on whatever civil union/adoption crap the CSU is desperate to block.

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