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Drunk Tomato posted:It's Christians because it's Satan. They wouldn't use Satan unless they were trying to specifically offend Christians. The problem is that the government in the area, a prominently Christian area, is made up of mostly Christians, like their constituents. You're coming at this sideways. The goal of the Satanists here is to expose the inherent hypocrisies at play here. OBVIOUSLY Oklahoma is not going to allow this, that's the point. This isn't about starting a discussion, this is about reinforcing the separation of church and state by making the state so vile that the church runs screaming from it. The Satanic goal here is to make it so that NOBODY gets to have a display, which is the way it should be. Moneychangers and temples and all that. Oh, one last thing on Satanic imagery: An upside-down cross is commonly known as "St. Peter's Cross" because Peter asked to be crucified upside-down because he didn't feel worthy to die the same way Jesus did. It's an expression of humble divinity and is heavily associated with the Pope. That's not going to stop bored kids from scribbling it in their notebook.
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Yes, an upside-down cross is actually a holy symbol and that depiction of Baphomet is not actually meant to be satanic or whatever. It doesn't matter. What matters is that people see it as satanic. Go to almost any Christian and show them an upside-down cross and they will tell you that it's sacrilegious. Show that statue to a Christian and they'll tell you that it's of Satan. This is one of those cases where the history really doesn't even matter anymore. You can tell them the truth about these symbols but that's not going to change them from associating it with Satanism. A good and relevant example of this is when biblical scholars announced that the sign of the Anti-Christ, "666", might actually be "616". One source interviewed some Satanist about what he thought about this and his response was to the effect of "We're going to use whatever scares Christians more." You would think that by this point in this thread people would have learned that the truth is of secondary concern to most people. Instead, what I learn from this thread over-and-over is that humans are obsessed with symbolism more than the truth.
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Rosalind posted:Yes, an upside-down cross is actually a holy symbol and that depiction of Baphomet is not actually meant to be satanic or whatever. It doesn't matter. What matters is that people see it as satanic. Go to almost any Christian and show them an upside-down cross and they will tell you that it's sacrilegious. Show that statue to a Christian and they'll tell you that it's of Satan. This is one of those cases where the history really doesn't even matter anymore. You can tell them the truth about these symbols but that's not going to change them from associating it with Satanism. My favorite bit is people saying that the Satanists are "clueless" about this when no, they aren't. They know full well that most of their symbolism isn't actually "satanic," and that's kind of the point, as illustrated by the guy talking about 666/616 you mentioned.
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My favorite part of all this is all the people actually defending "gently caress YOU DAD" as a statement worth defending.
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EvilTobaccoExec posted:"If Oklahoma City refuses to allow us to donate a monument, all funds will go toward efforts to appeal or contest the rejection, and/or place another Satanic monument in another relevant location." How can all funds go for appealing/contesting the rejection if all funds are going towards making the monument?
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TetsuoTW posted:My favorite part of all this is all the people actually defending "gently caress YOU DAD" as a statement worth defending. The point is that they put up the ten commandments and claimed it was justified under the first amendment. Since you can't sue them over that, you can go the other route and try to put up something they absolutely won't allow, which will force them to admit they don't want equal protection and take down the original statue. Abusing the constitution to promote your religion over others is wrong
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:You're coming at this sideways. The goal of the Satanists here is to expose the inherent hypocrisies at play here. OBVIOUSLY Oklahoma is not going to allow this, that's the point. This isn't about starting a discussion, this is about reinforcing the separation of church and state by making the state so vile that the church runs screaming from it. The Satanic goal here is to make it so that NOBODY gets to have a display, which is the way it should be. Moneychangers and temples and all that. A million times this. This is a case where it's absolutely acceptable to be as confrontational and inflammatory (and yes, offensive to Bible Belt Christians) as possible. Slapping the Ten Commandments in front of the OK State Capitol was a complete breach of our country's core fundamentals and the "well, the option's open to all religions (if they get enough support)" excuse that the people behind it have been giving doesn't make it any less wrong. It's not about "lol christians suck," Drunk Tomato. It's about lighting a fire under these people's asses by giving them the "religious symbol" that they would least abide and forcing them to eat their words. And while I know that self-satisfied internet atheists have made these sorts of criticisms kind of a dirty word around these parts, not every protest of the very real phenomenon of religious favoritism and minority subjugation is Penn Jillette douchebaggery. These people pretty obviously think that their religious views are more important than the Constitution and that needs to be challenged. Some hippy-dippy "we can all be friends if we learn to understand" tolerance monument is not going to get the point across because the people this is aimed at couldn't give two shits about being tolerant. TetsuoTW posted:My favorite part of all this is all the people actually defending "gently caress YOU DAD" as a statement worth defending.  monster on a stick posted:How can all funds go for appealing/contesting the rejection if all funds are going towards making the monument? Presumably they would go to covering the legal expenses of an appeal that would generate further attention for their cause and more national scrutiny of the original monument that set this whole thing off. I would imagine that they're not gonna just build the drat thing before getting permission, and as it's been said plenty of times before, building the statue isn't really the point of this whole endeavor. trilobite terror has a new favorite as of 08:39 on Jan 9, 2014 |
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TetsuoTW posted:My favorite part of all this is all the people actually defending "gently caress YOU DAD" as a statement worth defending.
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http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/639330675/startup-brocks-rack-bbq-shackquote:I am converting a trailer into a barbecue stand. I have most of the equipment. There is more work to do plus insurance and licensing.
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This guy makes Doobie seem like a winner.
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comic sans for the menu and her facebook is full of right wing/ tea party garbage. Probably better for the kid if he isn't home schooled.
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het posted:Really? My favorite part is people who automatically think anything that might ever even incidentally involve atheism amounts to "gently caress YOU DAD". I think that's cool and smart and not at all reductive or dumb as poo poo, and I personally give everyone who expresses that opinion a big high five. They're clearly intelligent guys who've really got the world figured out. That's definitely my favorite part of this.
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TetsuoTW posted:My favorite part of all this is all the people actually defending "gently caress YOU DAD" as a statement worth defending. I think "gently caress you, Dad" is the perfect reductio ad absurdum to the ridiculousness of putting religious monuments in government spaces. And I go to a Christian church most Sundays.
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TheJoker138 posted:This guy makes Doobie seem like a winner. Lots of crazy and hints of even more crazy in her profile.
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Koburn posted:comic sans for the menu and her facebook is full of right wing/ tea party garbage. Probably better for the kid if he isn't home schooled. Goonstarter time. I believe in Brocks BBQ
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Quick where's SoundMonkey!?! He needs to get in touch with their family and give them a helpful hand and sort everything out for them.
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Great Rumbler posted:But does he have a vent hood? Home schooling their son to protect him from learning about evolution and other satanic lies is far more important. Little do they do they know, BBQ is the devil's food of choice.
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It's called Beelzebub-Broiled Queers for a reasons.
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What the gently caress, she's from Oregon? Bullshit, you don't get the help of the Something Awful Save The South Squad when you live in hippie land.
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Unless you live in portland or one of the other cities on i-5 then you are probably a hick poo poo-kicker. The demographics drastically change once you get about 20 minutes east or west of PDX too. Portland has 2 blue cities in a giant red state.
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Has this one been posted yet? At first I thought the thumbnail for it looked kind of disturbing if the dude just wanted to do some regular art. Then I scrolled down.
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DancingPenguin posted:Has this one been posted yet? potentially  http://imgur.com/4eDtyQ2That's apparently the same woman. She just has the amazing power to jump 7 bra sizes as soon as she decides to pose coyly with her bra off, a very useful anime power. Also she's apparently a transformer, I guess. I don't know.
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DancingPenguin posted:Has this one been posted yet? I wonder if any of the copyright holders know about this yet.
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KiddieGrinder posted:Quick where's SoundMonkey!?! He needs to get in touch with their family and give them a helpful hand and sort everything out for them. I know a guy who knows a guy who's willing to dump his family's Christmas money on this. He says his family knows of this noble sacrifice but they're probably gonna off him in the middle of the night for his million dollar life insurance policy anyway.
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DancingPenguin posted:Has this one been posted yet? aaahahahahahaha JESUS. It's like cubist art deco pornography, only worse!
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DancingPenguin posted:Has this one been posted yet? I recognized that guy's art from a mile away. This is the guy who does most of the work for Innocent Dickgirls.
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Young Freud posted:I recognized that guy's art from a mile away. This is the guy who does most of the work for Innocent Dickgirls. Quoted for posterity, Young Freud spends enough time researching Innocent Dickgirls to recognize the art from a mile away. Name/Post joke: maybe it has something to do with his mother?
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My mother was a teenage Innocent Dickgirl.
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ThatPazuzu posted:My mother was a teenage Innocent Dickgirl. If she'd been Innocent, you wouldn't be here today.
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Yond Cassius posted:Quoted for posterity, Young Freud spends enough time researching Innocent Dickgirls to recognize the art from a mile away. Someone's dirty little secret just got outed and I'm not sure if it was the artist's
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Who can call themselves a goon without having seen hundreds of dickgirls? It's the glue of the internet.
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Young Freud posted:I recognized that guy's art from a mile away. This is the guy who does most of the work for Innocent Dickgirls. ahgadhahdahahahahahahahahfaahahahahahah
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Young Freud posted:I recognized that guy's art from a mile away. This is the guy who does most of the work for Innocent Dickgirls. lol
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Young Freud posted:I recognized that guy's art from a mile away. This is the guy who does most of the work for Innocent Dickgirls. Did you really expect people to go "Now that you mention it, it does indeed look like the well-loved website Innocent Dickgirls, which I'm proud to frequent."
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The really stupid thing here is that it's not the same artist at all, actually. e- Seriously, go check.
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steinrokkan posted:Did you really expect people to go "Now that you mention it, it does indeed look like the well-loved website Innocent Dickgirls, which I'm proud to frequent." To be honest, someone else mentioned this in a PYF fan-art thread. Schimdt or whoever did some prettyifying fanart of Daria and someone brought up Innocent Dickgirls. Also, 4chan.
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:The really stupid thing here is that it's not the same artist at all, actually. yeah im going to go check out innocent dickgirls dot com...not
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:The really stupid thing here is that it's not the same artist at all, actually. Sorry friend, I'm not gonna fall for your trickery.
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