Somebody's literally trying to argue the Empire doesn't even have 1000 ships based on a single line in ANH, but that's still not as bad as whatever the poo poo Hbomberguy or whoever's pulling where apparently Dooku was a good guy in AOTC and ROTS.
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# ? Jan 6, 2014 08:30 |
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# ? Jun 6, 2024 06:33 |
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Are you talking about theforce.net
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# ? Jan 6, 2014 09:27 |
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It's the same lame arguments you'd find on force.net, only the usual horse poo poo is lathered in pretentious philosophical arguments they only half understand. Also lots of "the Emperor was right" stuff. Highlight being Hbomberguy saying he's scared by people compare who The Emperor to Hitler or the Empire at large to the Nazis because Hitler wasn't totally evil and Mein Kampf is a good read or some poo poo. EDIT: Hbomberguy posted:
and Hbomberguy posted:I like to bring up how interesting Mein Kampf is in my Uni classes, and wait just long enough before I qualify that statement, and see the looks on people's faces. Animal Friend fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Jan 6, 2014 |
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That appears to be the exact opposite of what that person is saying, just from the things you posted. He is saying that Hitler was not a magic space wizard and while he did terrible things those things were born from factors more complex and involved than He Was Evil which is pretty objectively true. The other thing he posted, just from the context of what you posted, is him going "Hey, this book provides valuable insight into how someone like Hitler thinks and acts" with a side of trolling, not "Boy, this is a jolly good book full of right ideas." ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Jan 6, 2014 |
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For more context, he was previously arguing that nobody had a right to get rid of Palpatine because he was legally elected chancellor. He said the Jedi in Revenge of the Sith were the real dictators because they were attempting to overthrow a democracy without answering to any power but themselves. People then said something along the lines of "Hitler was also elected, would it be wrong for people to have tried to kill him" causing him to flip out over it. He's not reacting to comparing Hitler and the Nazi's to a fictional character, it's the other way around. The uniforms of the Imperial officers and the Empire being a supremest/racist dictatorship? A chancellor gaining emergency powers and taking over? Not related.
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# ? Jan 6, 2014 18:06 |
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Are the nerds in the Star Wars book thread making fun of the nerds in the Star Wars movie thread? Really? We're all Star Wars nerds here. No need to SW-shame. For the record I really enjoy the CineD thread, and this one too.
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# ? Jan 6, 2014 18:25 |
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ImpAtom posted:The other thing he posted, just from the context of what you posted, is him going "Hey, this book provides valuable insight into how someone like Hitler thinks and acts" with a side of trolling, not "Boy, this is a jolly good book full of right ideas." Just from his post about his Uni class, it sounds like he's in that rebellious stage where he automatically takes contrarian positions to common perceptions just to sound extra What's next? Is he going to argue that the Civil War wasn't about slavery it was about State's rights? WhyteRyce fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Jan 6, 2014 |
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Both threads are fun, infuriating, and ridiculous in their own ways. Let's try not to combine the threads by posting out of context statements from one in the other. Lord knows how terrible some posts here might look out of context.
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# ? Jan 6, 2014 23:26 |
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api call girl posted:Somebody's literally trying to argue the Empire doesn't even have 1000 ships based on a single line in ANH Well, the official line is that the Empire only has 25,000 star destroyers, which I personally don't think is much better. (I think this originated from either Zahn directly, or the Thrawn Trilogy sourcebooks - in any case, one of the few things I don't like about Zahn is that he is definitely a minimalist when it comes to numbers of ships and military forces.) Carnaticum posted:He said the Jedi in Revenge of the Sith were the real dictators because they were attempting to overthrow a democracy without answering to any power but themselves. People then said something along the lines of "Hitler was also elected, would it be wrong for people to have tried to kill him" causing him to flip out over it. He's not reacting to comparing Hitler and the Nazi's to a fictional character, it's the other way around. ...Karen Traviss, is that you?
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# ? Jan 7, 2014 04:23 |
Chairman Capone posted:Well, the official line is that the Empire only has 25,000 star destroyers, which I personally don't think is much better. (I think this originated from either Zahn directly, or the Thrawn Trilogy sourcebooks - in any case, one of the few things I don't like about Zahn is that he is definitely a minimalist when it comes to numbers of ships and military forces.) It was actually probably from George Lucas circa 1980s. They at least put some thought into the justification around there being only 25000 ISD (it's the top of the line capital ship, there's dozens of smaller capital ships for every ISD, you only ever even need one of them to glass an entire typical unshielded planet, etc.). Anyway, that's still better than "quadrillions".
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# ? Jan 7, 2014 09:06 |
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I don't think Zahn had that much freedom when it came to details about ships or militaries - I'm pretty sure he's said he had to follow fairly closely what had already been established by the West End Games RPG when he was writing.
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# ? Jan 7, 2014 14:43 |
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West End Games has had some fantastic misfires that wound up as canon for decades. Take the Hapans. While a hilarious source of comedy for many reasons, one of the bits I remember is how it introduced the Hapan turbolaser technology. Take the description of Hapan Battle Dragons from their first appearance:The Courtship of Princess Leia posted:"Launch all fighters!" Isolder ordered. "Knock out that Super Star Destroyer at the docks along with anything else you can get. I want this to be messy!" The Song of War's ion cannons opened fire as torpedoes screamed from their launch tubes. Though the Imperial Star Destroyers were three times the size and more heavily armed than a Hapan Battle Dragon, the Imperials had designed their ships using old-fashioned stationary gun emplacements. After a blaster cannon or ion cannon fired, it took several milliseconds for the cannon's giant capacitors to recharge. The net effect was that the gun was stuck idle 80 percent of the time. Fewer guns, but faster rate of fire to keep up. Alright, makes sense. Unfortunately, this was what was written in Cracken's Threat Dossier: Cracken's Threat Dossier posted:The Hapans have compensated for their antiquated turbolaser technology by designing a large-scale rotation system which allows the Battle Dragon to fire on par with standard Imperial vessels. When one turbolaser fires, it is instantly whisked away and replaced with the next, giving the spent turbolaser time to recharge at its normal rate; NRI estimates that Hapan turbolasers have only one-third the capacity of comparable Imperial weaponry. This is treated as canon in Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels and everything afterwards, and becomes a plot point in the NJO books where the New Republic gives Hapans modern turbolaser technology somewhere around the point where their fleet gets blown up by Centerpoint station. Somehow fixing this had never occurred to them in the past thirty years or so, despite the fact that when the Hapans first showed up they roll in with several dozen Star Destroyers in tow which they captured from the Empire (Hapans love ion cannons). Despite having access to literally thousands of potentially functioning Imperial turbolasers, apparently they never figured that particular problem out.
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LightWarden posted:West End Games has had some fantastic misfires that wound up as canon for decades. Take the Hapans. While a hilarious source of comedy for many reasons, one of the bits I remember is how it introduced the Hapan turbolaser technology. Take the description of Hapan Battle Dragons from their first appearance: R&D is something only Wizards are allowed to do.
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# ? Jan 7, 2014 20:43 |
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The Expanded Universe is now on the same level of canon as the films.
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# ? Jan 8, 2014 03:11 |
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a retard posted:The Expanded Universe is now on the same level of canon as the films. I'm not sure what to make of this. Are they saying that Thrawn et al are canon, or that future EU projects are canon? In other words, is this retroactive?
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# ? Jan 8, 2014 03:26 |
They're saying to put out hits on Troy Denning now, instead of when it's too late.
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# ? Jan 8, 2014 03:41 |
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This makes the Wraith books on par with the movies. I'm okay with this. This makes bug orgies on par with the movies. I'm less okay with this. This makes Dark Greetings on par with the movies and I'm okayest of all with this.
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# ? Jan 8, 2014 03:45 |
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I've never really understood the obsession over what level of canon something is except from the business and writing perspective of knowing when it's okay to ignore or rewrite something. The books and the comics still exist. The worst that can happen is that some plotlines get abandoned, and that happens in all sorts of cases. Recently an episode of Doctor Who contained a huge shoutout to a series of independently produced audio dramas that led to a lot of people claiming that all such dramas were now canon. But Doctor Who has time travel as a central conceit of the show, so if something contradicts something else it's just been overwritten. I don't see any need for a Doctor Who canon, but a Star Wars canon sort of makes sense, just so you're not wondering if that Trix Rabbit guy is going to team up with Robot Dark Maul to attack Mount Yoda.
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# ? Jan 8, 2014 04:08 |
Flagrant Abuse posted:This makes the Wraith books on par with the movies. I'm okay with this. Roger, roger.
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# ? Jan 8, 2014 04:11 |
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Rochallor posted:a Star Wars canon sort of makes sense, just so you're not wondering if that Trix Rabbit guy is going to team up with Robot Dark Maul to attack Mount Yoda. I'm down, as long as they use their mastery of Teräs Käsi to recover the glove of Darth Vader from the Jedi prince (who has kidnapped the Solo twins) to find the Death Star plans hidden within just in time for Hoorse Pilot* to destroy the Darksaber and kill the cloned Palpatine once and for all†. * he's an evil clone † it is not once and for all But most importantly Flagrant Abuse posted:This makes Dark Greetings on par with the movies and I'm okayest of all with this.
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# ? Jan 8, 2014 05:24 |
Hang on, the canon story says "going forward". There's no indication that existing EU stories have been promoted, is there? Just that any new stories, ie ones produced under Disney's auspices, will all have the same weight. At least, that's how I read that.
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# ? Jan 8, 2014 06:35 |
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Arschlochkind posted:Hoorse Pilot Runt
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# ? Jan 8, 2014 07:46 |
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Internally at Lucas Licensing/Lucasfilm, the continuity "hierarchy" was never really a hierarchy to begin with; it was intended as just a classification system. Nathan Butler (The guy who made that amazing Star Wars Timeline Gold, and has also had a writing gig for a Star Wars comic) had a bit of a discussion with Leland Chee on the topic, and I'll just drop a Facebook post he made here: Nathan P Butler's Facebook posted:For Star Wars fans who have been following Leland Chee's Twitter comments that have caused a stir today, here's some clarification from the horse's mouth, Chee himself:
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# ? Jan 8, 2014 07:51 |
That's pretty interesting. Thanks for posting that. Still, even if they don't want it to use it as a hierarchy per say, there clearly is one, if only broadly. Dark Horse (and by this time next year, Marvel) can't write a story that makes it so Wedge blew up the first Death Star, because Luke pulled the trigger on film and everyone saw it. But if JJ and company go stomping all over the X-Wing novels in Episode VII by saying that Wedge died a week after the Battle of Endor, what we see on film is what sticks, and nothing that Mike Stackpole or anyone else wrote before that matters one drat bit. It will be interesting to see how much or little of the EU gets mentioned in the new movies. Even with the Story Group involved in the films now, I kind of doubt they'll be in a position to gainsay JJ if he decides he wants to wreck 30 years of EU.
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# ? Jan 8, 2014 09:29 |
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I just got the first two Omnibus editions of Knights Of The Old Republic, figure I get these now before the price shoots up when Dark Horse's deal expires. I finished the story line where Zayne and company try and rescue the Jedi from the Mandalorians and so far I like it. My favorite aspect so far is that our main villains are...well idiots. You would think They would know better and not flip the gently caress out when they see what they saw. My only fanboy wish is that we see Meetra Surik. That is one character that I must have more of. I heard she is in the Revan book but I heard that sucked.
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# ? Jan 9, 2014 06:53 |
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BigRed0427 posted:My only fanboy wish is that we see Meetra Surik. That is one character that I must have more of. I heard she is in the Revan book but I heard that sucked. She went out like a punk because Karpyshyn can't stand being upstaged.
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# ? Jan 9, 2014 07:02 |
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Is there a good behind-the-scenes book that talks about the making of the prequel trilogy? I'm not interested in an official Lucasfilm hagiography -- I want the real poo poo. Does that exist?
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# ? Jan 10, 2014 00:15 |
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redshirt posted:Are the nerds in the Star Wars book thread making fun of the nerds in the Star Wars movie thread? Really? When they are actually arguing that the prequels were good then yeah they deserve to be made fun of fake edit: also supermechagodzilla is the worst poster on the forums BigRed0427 posted:My only fanboy wish is that we see Meetra Surik. That is one character that I must have more of. I heard she is in the Revan book but I heard that sucked. I wish they had kept calling her the Exile because Meetra Surik is a dumbass name (I am aware I'm talking about the Star Wars EU) Farecoal fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Jan 11, 2014 |
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Farecoal posted:I wish they had kept calling her the Exile because Meetra Surik is a dumbass name (I am aware I'm talking about the Star Wars EU) Here's fun: what are the best and worst EU names?
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# ? Jan 11, 2014 00:17 |
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Metal Loaf posted:Here's fun: what are the best and worst EU names? Elan Sleazebaggano
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# ? Jan 11, 2014 00:22 |
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Metal Loaf posted:Here's fun: what are the best and worst EU names? worst: Jacen honorable mention: Ysanne Isard. How the hell do you pronounce that? Best is probably Nom Anor. Or Horton Salm.
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# ? Jan 11, 2014 00:30 |
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You are all forgetting about Teh Roxxor.
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# ? Jan 11, 2014 00:41 |
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:honorable mention: Ysanne Isard. How the hell do you pronounce that? Well, "Isard" is phoetically similar to "Ice Heart" (Or one would assume so, given that was a derogatory nickname for her), so I presume its Eye-sard. Ysanne is a bit trickier, but I have always gone with Ee-san
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jivjov posted:Well, "Isard" is phoetically similar to "Ice Heart" (Or one would assume so, given that was a derogatory nickname for her), so I presume its Eye-sard. Ysanne is a bit trickier, but I have always gone with Ee-san Yeah you'd think so about Isard, but I listened to part of the audiobook for 'Dark Lord' on Youtube and when Armand Isard is mentioned, Jonathan Davis blends the syllables together a lot more than I expected. I know that's not definitive, but it's not the first time I've heard a Star Wars name spoken and gone "Wait, huh?" Also one of the worst to me has always been Dexter Jettster. Sith names have also gotten worse and worse since the prequels came out. We went from Vader to Maul to Nihilus to Andeddu. Here, let me help: Darth Evil Badman. Darth Nana'punch. Darth Cobra Commander. Cad Bane is a pretty terrible name too.
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# ? Jan 11, 2014 02:14 |
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Arschlochkind posted:We went from Vader to Maul to Nihilus to Andeddu. I think there's something wrong here because those are all kickass names. Now Darth Malgus on the other hand
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# ? Jan 11, 2014 02:32 |
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Here's one: Darth Millennial. His master, Darth Baby-Boomer, doesn't have a Wookieepedia page.
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# ? Jan 11, 2014 02:40 |
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I will never not think Darth Wyrrlok is the dumbest sith name.
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# ? Jan 11, 2014 02:42 |
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cptn_dr posted:I will never not think Darth Wyrrlok is the dumbest sith name. I thought that guy would be a Wookiee when I first read that name. Why has there never been a Wookiee Sith
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# ? Jan 11, 2014 02:43 |
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Farecoal posted:I thought that guy would be a Wookiee when I first read that name. Why has there never been a Wookiee Sith Because most EU writers wouldn't know a good idea if it strangled them.
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cptn_dr posted:Because most EU writers wouldn't know a good idea if it strangled them. Obsidian, though
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