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Bumming Your Scene posted:"US-Spec" Well according to this, it was the 8th worst selling car of 2013, at 1,598 units sold.
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fknlo posted:Minus the plethora of rattles anyway. 45k on poo poo roads. No rattles.
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Thwomp posted:According to this WSJ chart, VW was down 6.9% from last year at 407k vehicles (367k total cars). It's about the same volume Kia and Mercedes individually do. Being down that much when almost every other car maker is up by the same amount or more is bad.
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:The MK6 Golf/GTI was still made in Germany and comparatively high quality. Count me among the happy Mk6 GTI owners. It really does offer the perfect balance between practicality, sportiness, and comfort. At least for me, deciding between it and the other sports hatchbacks on the market was a no-brainer. I get the impression that VW's reputation is falling even among non-enthusiasts. My dad is looking to replace his old 1999 Passat and asked me if the quality tumors about the new model were true.
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Throatwarbler posted:It's not common for large cars like the Passat, lots of small cars like the Focus, Fiesta, Fit, Fiant 500 have it. I didn't mean manual transmissions, I mean 5 speeds in them. VV My mistake, but still. That's a base cheap car ala Versa. KakerMix fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Jan 10, 2014 |
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KakerMix posted:I didn't mean manual transmissions, I mean 5 speeds in them. All those you listed have six gears, VW shoving a 5-speed in this 'sport' Jetta feels like they are using leftover parts from somewhere. The base Fiesta has a 5-speed manual, you pay extra for a 6-speed, either the dual-clutch on standard models or a traditional stick on the ST.
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HairyNipple! posted:Well according to this, it was the 8th worst selling car of 2013, at 1,598 units sold. Dang, they only brought in 5,000 in 2012 and only sold 3,600 of those
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There isn't necessarily something wrong with a 5 speed vs. a 6 speed. In the culture of more is better though it can certainly be more appealing. I think the NC Miata's 5 speed actually had a lower ratio in the top gear than the 6 speed did, so it really depends on the gearing and the application.
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Bovril Delight posted:There isn't necessarily something wrong with a 5 speed vs. a 6 speed. In the culture of more is better though it can certainly be more appealing. I think the NC Miata's 5 speed actually had a lower ratio in the top gear than the 6 speed did, so it really depends on the gearing and the application. Yeah, with this Passat being 'sport' it's obviously an image thing, and it only having 5 speeds instead of 6 is just odd. It seems to miss the market of who they are trying to sell these to is all.
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Comparing the ST 5-door to my Protege (multiplied by final drive to get total flywheel-to-axle ratio; final drive on the Fiesta is 3.82:1, 4.10:1 on the Mazda):code:So a 6-speed, at least geared like this, doesn't really affect the performance that much, but nets better highway fuel economy. (side note: the 5-speed in the base Fiesta has roughly the same ratio in 1 and 2, with the 6-speed's top 4 gears covering a slightly wider range of ratios than the top 3 of the 5-speed.) So on the Ford at least it's mostly image. The Fiesta is about 150 pounds lighter than the Mazda, with 25 more horsepower and 65(!) more lb*ft of torque, so it could get away with waaay closer gearing and a higher final drive from a performance standpoint if you really wanted to take advantage of all 6 speeds. Also I'm using numbers for the US Fiesta, I'm not positive, but I believe the Euro model is different.
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Fucknag posted:So a 6-speed, at least geared like this, doesn't really affect the performance that much, but nets better highway fuel economy. (side note: the 5-speed in the base Fiesta has roughly the same ratio in 1 and 2, with the 6-speed's top 4 gears covering a slightly wider range of ratios than the top 3 of the 5-speed.) So on the Ford at least it's mostly image. Isn't this the same for nearly every 6-speed?
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KakerMix posted:I didn't mean manual transmissions, I mean 5 speeds in them. The manual transmissions in all of those are 5 speeds. The Versa use to have a 6 speed option in the last generation but they got rid of it and downgraded it to a 5 speed for the current version.
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:2014 WRX, too. Holy crap, I don't know how I missed that. That's ridiculous. ... soooooo, who's the best person in Philadelphia to swap an STI drivetrain into my wagon, 'cause Subaru just doesn't seem to want to sell me a car ever again.
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tetrapyloctomy posted:Holy crap, I don't know how I missed that. That's ridiculous. The 2014 WRX is the last generation model which has always had a 5MT. The 2015, which will be available starting this spring, has a 6 speed manual.
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Cream_Filling posted:Isn't this the same for nearly every 6-speed? Seems like it. It is really interesting how much the move to 6 and 7 speed transmission is "more is better" marketing or if it really offers real world improvements.
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Bovril Delight posted:There isn't necessarily something wrong with a 5 speed vs. a 6 speed. In the culture of more is better though it can certainly be more appealing. I think the NC Miata's 5 speed actually had a lower ratio in the top gear than the 6 speed did, so it really depends on the gearing and the application. Apparently, the 5 speed box is the better for autocross duty because it has a slightly taller 2nd gear and doesn't require as many gear changes as the 6 speed.
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Bovril Delight posted:only be a 4 door ( Wrong emoticon, you were looking for  . 4-door supremacyBovril Delight posted:There isn't necessarily something wrong with a 5 speed vs. a 6 speed. In the culture of more is better though it can certainly be more appealing. I think the NC Miata's 5 speed actually had a lower ratio in the top gear than the 6 speed did, so it really depends on the gearing and the application. At least for Subaru, the 5spd from 2004-2007 was made of glass and the 6spd was indestructible so there was more than just ratios and more cogs involved.
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Well yeah, you could have a poo poo 5 speed and a great 6 speed like the WRX vs. STI, but it could be the other way around too. And a GTI/Golf R should only be 2 doors. 4 doors really ruins the line. On a wagon 4 doors is great, but on a hatch it looks overdone.
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I'm having the opposite problem trying to buy a hatch in my part of the world - too many three doors when I want a 5 door (which I don't think in general look worse but are a lot more practical)
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bidikyoopi posted:Wrong emoticon, you were looking for Other way around with the 5-speed. 02-03 were easily the worst years reliability-wise but they gradually improved in durability. The 06 is strong enough that people with mechanical sympathy should be able to drive them hard, but they'll hold them back from the sheer gear-jamming mayhem that the 6-speed craves. 08+ seem quite tough indeed. Hopefully the 14+ 6-speed is strong but it's not the same box by any means.
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bidikyoopi posted:
The 6 speed for the 2015 WRX is indeed just the 5 speed with different ratios and more cogs. It's the same as the Legacy, which is derived from the 5 speed. The STI 6 speed is a completely different transmission.
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Bovril Delight posted:
I don't think this at all, and I wouldn't have bought one if it was only in a two-door. The thing about the 2015 R being only available in a 4/5 door has got to be VW responding to what the market says. They are listening, because I like my four doors man.
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Bovril Delight posted:And a GTI/Golf R should only be 2 doors. 4 doors really ruins the line. On a wagon 4 doors is great, but on a hatch it looks overdone. Got to disagree here, 2 door hatches just don't work, they're a pain for carrying stuff or for rear seat passengers. If you want a 2 door get a coupe.
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Aargh posted:Got to disagree here, 2 door hatches just don't work, they're a pain for carrying stuff or for rear seat passengers. If you want a 2 door get a coupe. But two door coupes have the same problems (just worse in the case if carrying stuff)
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fknlo posted:
Jesus H. Christ. If these depreciate like the old Z06 did I could see myself with one in a few years.
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I wish we would make it a rule and not allow those kinds of posts any more. Who actually wants to read that poo poo for pages and pages? "Oh look some part of car 1 looks like car 2. See I am an expert on cars"  Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Jan 12, 2014 |
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Throatwarbler posted:I wish we would make it a rule and not allow those kinds of posts any more. Who actually wants to read that poo poo for pages and pages? "Oh look some part of car 1 looks like car 2. See I am an expert on cars" I'd happily second that. Has there been any information released about the MSRP for the new z06?
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 On good, an automatic transmission. I'm glad they've finally addressed this important segment of the Z06 buying demographic.  *it's not 100% clear from looking at the shifter, but the paddles behind the wheel have "+" and "-" like on the auto Stingray. The manual Stingray paddles say "rev match" on them.*
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Goddamn it. Now I kind of want to sell the GTR and get one of those. Although given the history would probably be smart to wait for the second model year.
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It's a beautiful thing in person too.
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Throatwarbler posted:
Garage queen vette owners have bitched about the stick only option for 2 generations now. GM is going to sell so many god drat automatic Z06s. The only part that makes me sad is that in a few years when I go looking for used ones, I'll have to look through all the drat auto ones for sale. Pretty much second generation used CTS-V search all over again 
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You sure that's an auto? It's hard to see, but it looks like a shift pattern on top of that shift knob....Can't see the pedals either. [edit] nevermind, I see the paddles now. WTF. Applebees Appetizer fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Jan 12, 2014 |
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That's very clearly a manual stick, but those are very clearly not rev-matching paddles because they don't say rev-matching. Hmm.... There is supposed to be an 8-speed auto in the pipeline and I GM also patented a 7-speed DCT awhile ago as well: http://www.autoblog.com/2013/09/27/gm-files-patent-for-7-speed-dual-clutch-for-corvette/ I'm wondering of the -+ symbols onto the rev-matching paddles for something like a an 8-speed auto or if this is an indication of something else entirely? The plot thickens. Also staring at this car makes something else thicken.... For reference  There are drive indicators right next to the auto shifter. There is something weird going on here. Lord Lilf fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Jan 12, 2014 |
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Franco Caution posted:Garage queen vette owners have bitched about the stick only option for 2 generations now. GM is going to sell so many god drat automatic Z06s. Ya know, I'll go ahead and take the bait. I remember a time when automatic transmissions were horrible and sketchy. Sketchy like a guy standing in a dark alley; not the friend who'll pay back the $20 they just borrowed in a few days. They were held together by unicorn tears, black magic, and the alignment of the planets. You never knew when they'd break. When (not if) they broke, they would usually have to be taken to a wizard of the dark art of automatic transmission voodoo to have them fixed. And that poo poo was expensive. But we've come a long ways since then in the auto world. With technology taken from things such as F1 & drag racing, modern day automatics are heaps better. We've gotten to the point where automatics are not only getting incredible gas mileage; but we also have almost instant on-demand shifting that has been proven to hold up well on the track for the most part. While I love a good 5 or 6 speed, I can't deny the fact that automatics are almost cool and I don't mind them being in sports cars. Just please don't ever take away a manual option.
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