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mr. mephistopheles posted:It seems to me that the only way you could ever be ex-liberal is either that you weren't actually one and were just espousing beliefs to piss of your conservative parents or get laid, or you become financially successful and decide that you now care more about your tax rate than you care about other human beings. Or you could've become a socialist.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:It seems to me that the only way you could ever be ex-liberal is either that you weren't actually one and were just espousing beliefs to piss of your conservative parents or get laid, or you become financially successful and decide that you now care more about your tax rate than you care about other human beings.
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TheQat posted:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/01/20/hannity_threatens_to_leave_new_york_after_cuomos_anti-conservative_rant.html
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Pththya-lyi posted:The official position of the LDS Church (of which Glenn Beck is a member) is that the Founding Fathers were doing the Lord's work when they wrote the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Church President Wilson Woodruff claimed in an 1877 letter that the spirits of the signers of the Declaration of Independence (and fifty other "eminent men") appeared to him and asked to be baptized by proxy in return for their service to the nation. Yeah, and this horrifying deification of our notably secular founding fathers by the mormons is partly what inspired this: 
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Orange Devil posted:Or you could've become a socialist. I feel like that falls under the "American liberal" blanket for most people. pangstrom posted:Or, more frequently, you're not "successful" but you start having to pay for things/your family yourself and the couple thousand (or whatever) the government takes makes you for all ideological intents and purposes a Scrooge McDuck. gently caress you I got my millions isn't really that different from gently caress you I need my hundreds if people are RUGGED INDIVIDUALS blaming the GOVERNMENT and LEECHES. Man that's just depressing. It's not the greedy gently caress owners of my company screwing me over, it's poor blacks on Welfare!
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Jan 21, 2014 17:34
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TheQat posted:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/01/20/hannity_threatens_to_leave_new_york_after_cuomos_anti-conservative_rant.html He wants to make like Rush. Rush said he hated NY's taxes and by the time he "announced" his move he was essentially already a West Palm Beach show.
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Jan 21, 2014 18:27
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icantfindaname posted:You can concern troll and point out that he was somewhat sympathetic to communists, especially Cuba and North Vietnam. Alternatively you can point out that beloved conservative icon Jesse Helms ran a filibuster to prevent MLK Day from becoming a holiday under Reagan. It's funny because multiple times i saw people using the national black Republican association as proof he was a Republican, their only evidence that he was is his niece saying he was, and she has since retracted it.
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Jan 21, 2014 19:20
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Spacedad posted:Yeah, and this horrifying deification of our notably secular founding fathers by the mormons is partly what inspired this: You ever wonder how lucky we are there's no direct descendants of Washington?
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Jan 21, 2014 19:27
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quote:John Randolph May 10, 2012 at 11:23 pm Race Realists posted:Yes, you loving tard.
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Jan 21, 2014 19:37
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I'd love to interview the wife of the man who thinks people regularly get married in order to carry out crowd-sourced genocide by spending their entire lives with a person of the race they want to get rid of.
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Jan 21, 2014 19:47
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Crowd-sourced genocide has such a nice ring to it.
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Jan 21, 2014 20:04
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Can I donate to a Kickstarter?
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TheQat posted:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/01/20/hannity_threatens_to_leave_new_york_after_cuomos_anti-conservative_rant.html
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Jan 21, 2014 20:35
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Beck threatening to renounce his citizenship... Sounds good, but I'm a bit unclear on where he think's he go. You can't renounce and become stateless.
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Jan 21, 2014 21:11
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Pixelboy posted:Beck threatening to renounce his citizenship... He'll hie to Kolob.
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Jan 21, 2014 21:12
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Pixelboy posted:Beck threatening to renounce his citizenship... Sounds like pandering to sovereign citizen / freemen on the land types that are doubtless part of his audience.
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Jan 21, 2014 21:15
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Pixelboy posted:Beck threatening to renounce his citizenship... Gonna become a Freeman On The Land, man. Citizen of no country or state
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Jan 21, 2014 21:15
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What ever happened to Beck's "Freedomtopia"?
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Jan 21, 2014 21:16
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fade5 posted:Ah, the Bullworth solution, although I've never seen it referenced in a negative fashion like that. No squirming, my answer is a positive, happy Yes because human relationships are obviously a breeding battleground of ethnic purity and not about people just being people & bonding with the people they care about. What a quaint view of human interaction these bigots have. Also, always annoying to encounter the racists who just frequently overlook the massive-scale population-shifting industry that was the African slave trade - his analogy makes it sound as if they were rushing to America and European countries by choice. Now that they're here and they've been here for hundreds of years, they're as much part of our ethnic makeup of our country as anyone else - if you were so paranoid about buggering up your ethnic purity, maybe your ancestors shouldn't have treated human beings like subhuman cattle and dragged so many people out of their native continent? Oh wait, you do that today with human relationships when you treat it like a matter of breeding animal stock. 
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Jan 21, 2014 21:17
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Darkman Fanpage posted:What ever happened to Beck's "Freedomtopia"? Might be worth a call in to ask. 
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Jan 21, 2014 21:20
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Hannity's threat seems like a hedged bet, since his shows aren't doing so well now he can claim this is the reason for his move if he suddenly finds himself with lots of free time (like if his shows were cancelled)
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Jan 21, 2014 21:32
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He's going to become a citizen of the stars and a Kickstarter will be formed to rocket him towards the closest star.
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Jan 21, 2014 21:33
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Pixelboy posted:Might be worth a call in to ask. Preferably with a morse code toilet flush.
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fade5 posted:Ah, the Bullworth solution, although I've never seen it referenced in a negative fashion like that. No squirming, my answer is a positive, happy I agree, although the hypothetical is premised on bullshit so it doesn't even really matter. Allowing people to marry who they want != forcing people to marry outside of their race.
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Jan 21, 2014 21:48
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mints posted:Hannity's threat seems like a hedged bet, since his shows aren't doing so well now he can claim this is the reason for his move if he suddenly finds himself with lots of free time (like if his shows were cancelled)
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Jan 21, 2014 21:51
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Darkman Fanpage posted:What ever happened to Beck's "Freedomtopia"? That was just cloud talk.
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Vertical Lime posted:He wants to make like Rush. Rush said he hated NY's taxes and by the time he "announced" his move he was essentially already a West Palm Beach show. This will wind up being on the list of conservative poo poo that never happens. Hannity has lost all of his mojo as a radio host so he can't pull a Rush cause nobody gives a poo poo anymore and he can't leave NY if he has any hope of staying on TV. Every caller to his show for the next 6 months should ask when he's gonna move. On the issue of conversion from liberal to conservative, I've seen it happen to friends that took high paying jobs in very conservative environments that pretty much force change on the individual if they expect to get along, keep their job and move up the ladder. It's not that hard to understand. To see the reverse in operation, people should watch the PBS program on the Dust Bowl written by Ken Burns. It walks you through the traumatic history of a culture changing event that is pretty much forgotten today. It shows how nature and stupid farming practices brought some of the most conservative, bootstrap, rugged individualists in the U.S. to their knees and forced them to turn to the only source that could possibly help them, the dreaded Federal Government. It broke them and forced them to seek help from the very people they despised, liberal/progressive politicians, especially FDR. It's a pretty great show.
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Do you see him moving to Florida when his tv show is taped in NYC? I doubt it. Are there any major news shows taped outside of New York?
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Is this the place to talk about the new Roger Ailes book? Because I just finished reading it (I work part-time at a hockey rink, we had a massive tournament over MLK weekend, and the games you're running the clock for tend to get boring more often than not) and found it quite interesting. Never mind the stuff I didn't know about him (his role in producing the stage version of Hot L Baltimore, his background and education at the then-absurdly conservative Ohio U, other tidbits), but his political evolution over time (his work at a Coors-funded news organization in the '70s was given quite a bit of time, where they said that compared to some of the higher-ups he was practically a New Dealer) and the latter chapters about his slide into absolute paranoia and the things he pulled in Putnam County, NY were...both funny (there was one town-hall meeting he went to about zoning where he actually pulled a Stan Marsh "I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA!" on his critics) and absolutely absurd (wanting bomb-proof glass in his office and a massive bunker at his house, hiring security to tail people that had resigned from his newspaper, other things that escape me at the moment). It's getting some mixed reviews right now, mostly because it relies a bit on anonymous sources (which, given Ailes' paranoia and hatred for leaks, is somewhat justified or needed), but I thought it was a good read that really delves into the psyche and reasoning behind the platform of Fox News--something which we all know (it's a place for older white men to gawk at legs and assuage their desire for America to return to a Pleasantville-esque '50s that never really existed except for those that could afford it), but engrossing nonetheless.
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SedanChair posted:He'll hie to Kolob. Troy Queef posted:Is this the place to talk about the new Roger Ailes book? I also found it interesting that he says about himself the thing that some of Atwater's friends said about Atwater - basically something like, "I'm a contrarian, not a partisan. Too much consensus in politics is how you get Stalin or Mao. If the country I was born into had been right wing, I would've veered left." To me that's such a stupid cop out. Okay, you won, now what? Prick. It's almost more believable with Atwater, who I really do think didn't believe in a single thing in life other than getting over and pulling clever stunts and having fun at it.
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Is there any subject these guys don't turn into some bizarro joke? The guy who pilots loving Fox News thinks of himself as a contrarian? The guy who orchestrated the naked propaganda and cheerleading that came out of that network during the GWB years sneers at Stalin and Mao? Contrary to what? Human decency?
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I think when you legit start out as a nerdy hemophiliac whose dad beats him it's easy to think of yourself as the underdog for life, even when you're winning. That they then use this to rationalize their egregious behaviors makes sense in the way North Korea's behavior makes sense only if you're in the ruling elite of North Korea, heh.
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comes along bort posted:After decades of decrying him as a commie pinko serial adulterer and plagiarist. Well, that and also murdering him.
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Lycus posted:If we elect Cuomo president, will Hannity leave the country? I'll gladly take a hundred thousand Hannities, eyebrows stretching from coast to coast so long as we never have to hear the words First Lady Sandra Lee. BiggerBoat posted:Well, that and also murdering him. 
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The Rokstar posted:I agree, although the hypothetical is premised on bullshit so it doesn't even really matter. Allowing people to marry who they want != forcing people to marry outside of their race. No but it forces you to allow the white race to be polluted. A lot of it is based on (and yes, this was part of why whites and blacks were forbidden from marrying for a long time) the "one drop" thing. It was argued, for quite a long time, that having "one drop of African blood" made you black and therefore not white. If you had any ancestors, ever that were black you were black and thus inferior. The argument was that, to maintain the superiority of the white race, you had to maintain its purity, which meant never marrying anybody that wasn't white, casting out people that did, and definitely not producing mixed breed children outside of marriage. It kind of went hand in hand with ideas of sexual purity as well. It's weird as they gave no shits about white blood contaminating black blood. It was only black blood contaminating white.
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My "favorite" moment of the Herman Cain show today: Some caller phoned in bitching about how the US gov pays the Russian gov $51 million for US astronauts to hitch a ride to the International Space Station. Whined about 'what if we took that money and put it back in to the US economy instead of giving it to the Russians? Just imagine!'. Guy claimed to be a former NASA employee to boot. How much did a typical Shuttle launch cost? I'd like to believe it was far less than $51 million and if so, that should make him happy, not sad, right (apart from funding commmunists)? Maybe he should think about how much the ISS cost along with all the construction and associated launches. Imagine if that money were in the economy and not the gov's hands? Imagine no NASA? It's easy if you try.
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Rip Testes posted:My "favorite" moment of the Herman Cain show today: Some caller phoned in bitching about how the US gov pays the Russian gov $51 million for US astronauts to hitch a ride to the International Space Station. Whined about 'what if we took that money and put it back in to the US economy instead of giving it to the Russians? Just imagine!'. Guy claimed to be a former NASA employee to boot. How much did a typical Shuttle launch cost? I'd like to believe it was far less than $51 million and if so, that should make him happy, not sad, right (apart from funding commmunists)? Maybe he should think about how much the ISS cost along with all the construction and associated launches. Imagine if that money were in the economy and not the gov's hands? Imagine no NASA? It's easy if you try. Yeah.
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:Do you see him moving to Florida when his tv show is taped in NYC? I doubt it. CNN in Atlanta but that's all I can think of.
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I wouldn't mind us launching our own manned modules again, but it's not like I don't already hear enough small-government-types bitch about NASA's budget as it is now.
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