Swan Oat posted:Written by Eliezer Yudkowsi? Close. One of his followers.
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Morkyz posted:Friendship Is Optimal, in which an AI pony takes over the world That page led me to this, which seems to be much worse.
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Jan 22, 2014 15:46
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Morkyz posted:Xenophilia, in which a self insert human has graphically depicted sex with a pony. The Terrible Trope Page posted:Exotic Extended Marriage: Due to Equestria's disproportionate female-to-male ratio, monogamy is considered selfish and most stallions end up in relationships with three mares, more if there's another stallion involved. Gggggggoooooooodddammmmmmmiiiiiiiiit... quote:Shown Their Work: Say what you will about this story, the author has taken the trouble to read up on herd behaviour in Real Life horses. Fuuuuuuck yoooooooou...
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Jan 22, 2014 16:10
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Jan 22, 2014 16:18
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Morkyz posted:Xenophilia, in which a self insert human has graphically depicted sex with a pony. From the review section: quote:Xenophilia fanfic review by Archonix quote:I read Xenophilia, I laughed, I cried, I ate a burger, I drank a bottle of Mountain Dew, I marveled at the complexity applied to the world of an awesome children's cartoon, and I fell in love with the characters, even the lone Human in the bunch.
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Jan 22, 2014 16:21
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Jay O posted:Gggggggoooooooodddammmmmmmiiiiiiiiit... If you don't mind me asking, have you been given any more stick beyond the initial backlash since you asked for your page to be removed?
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Jan 22, 2014 16:30
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Jay O posted:Gggggggoooooooodddammmmmmmiiiiiiiiit... MISANDRY! Come save me, rainbow coloured horsewaifu! It's really telling that they decided to highlight that. "Not only will my perfect equine wife (first in my harem) know the proper place of a woman in the home (in the kitchen, or beneath my rolls of fat), she will also be able to beat up all those bullies who attack my masculinity (that I totally don't care about, you guys!)." I hope some of the ponies spontaneously abort their children so that the males won't just kick them to death. Somehow I doubt the research into horses went beyond "They don't have monogamy, unlike STUPID HUMAN SOCIETY, GAWD!" Political Whores fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Jan 22, 2014 |
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Jan 22, 2014 16:38
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I think that tropers don't like classic science fiction because they seem like the kind of dolts who read that a character in the future is using a radio or writing with a pen and paper and they immediately scoff at how the setting is so inaccurate and implausible. Never mind that 1984 is perhaps more relevant than it ever has been, or that William Gibson's work, for all of its clunky 80's-early 90's futurism, raises important questions about how technology is altering humanity. Alien hasn't aged a day because it taps into so many primal fears. But why explore boring, hard themes when you can feel so clever for pointing out that no one will be using land line phones in 2030? I think that 25 years from now, the equivalent of tropers will roll their eyes at Mass Effect and Firefly for the same reasons.
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Jan 22, 2014 17:03
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I think the straw that broke the camel's back for me was knowing that there's a trope page for that gross Princess Molestia blog, that it significantly downplays the fact that it was taken down by Hasbro themselves (no no guys, it's "officially retired"!) and, worst of all, that it has a "Crowning Moment of Heartwarming" page that has this as the final example:quote:A meta-example: in 2012, there was a shitstorm going on in the Tumblr-verse where dozens of Pony Ask blogs were being shut down due to trolls falsely reporting said blogs for containing illegal content such as child pornography, and Ask Molestia was eventually shut down because of such claims. This would have been the end, but hundreds of fans of Molestia rallied and appealed to Tumblr to bring it back. In only two days, Ask Molestia was back up again, and J.J. gave his thanks by drawing a picture of Molly tearfully thanking her 'subjects', genuinely touched by their devotion. Haha, we sure showed those guys! Who needs common human decency when we can have pony rape, anyway?  Asgerd posted:That page led me to this, which seems to be much worse. It was only a matter of time before something JDR-related reared its ugly head around these parts. (If it hasn't already.)
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Jan 22, 2014 17:15
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Oh My GodThe Conversion Bureau posted:The details of these fics vary Depending on the Writer, and they don't occur in the same canon, but they do share common elements. Conversion Bureau fics are set on an Earth some time in the future, where the island (or pocket universe) of Equestria has suddenly appeared in the sea. Unfortunately, the realm of Equestria is pushing into Earth's territory, and the magic of Equestria is lethal to humans. In a few short years, Equestria will flood Earth with magic, and there will be nowhere left for humanity to live. To fix this, Princess Celestia sets up "Conversion Bureaus" all around Earth, offering the humans the chance to be turned into ponies and eventually live in Equestria. and of course quote:An MST of the original can be found here and the MSTing itself has its own page here. That thing mocking that other thing also must be meticulously dissected and categorized. This is totally not another meaningless activity to fill the yawning void that is our lives. E: Seriously, I don't even understand how or why the idea of a loving forced pony transformation is supposed to appeal. It's not even horrifying to me, it's just absurd. All I can think of is like toon town in Who Framed Roger Rabbit? It's like someone trying to explore the deep thematic subtext of Who Framed Roger Rabbit?. It's not even a na exercise that merits the thinking power to dismiss it. Political Whores fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Jan 22, 2014 |
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Jan 22, 2014 17:32
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TvTropes Pleads the Fifth: PYF Pony Rape
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Jan 22, 2014 21:04
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Little Blackfly posted:
As someone who digs body horror something fierce, the transformation community has always puzzled me. It's like someone picked up on the erotic themes in Videodrome or Hellraiser, but thought, "no, that's just icky, I want to be forcibly transformed into a pony or a car or someone's bidet. A sexy bidet." And then they write a whole fanfic universe where anyone who doesn't want to be a slutty bidet is treated like they have some horrible illness.
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Jan 22, 2014 21:33
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Little Blackfly posted:Seriously, I don't even understand how or why the idea of a loving forced pony transformation is supposed to appeal. It's not even horrifying to me, it's just absurd. All I can think of is like toon town in Who Framed Roger Rabbit? It's like someone trying to explore the deep thematic subtext of Who Framed Roger Rabbit?. It's not even a na exercise that merits the thinking power to dismiss it. Fetishes. It's not that complicated, it's not meant to explore societal whatever, it's supposed to be sexy because you're being brainwashed and transformed into a pony. Because that's sexy. 
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Jan 22, 2014 21:37
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Mods please change my name to A Sexy Bidet, tia
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Jan 22, 2014 21:38
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Djeser posted:Fetishes. It's not that complicated, it's not meant to explore societal whatever, it's supposed to be sexy because you're being brainwashed and transformed into a pony. They just like objectifying people.  E: Speaking of transformation comics, I love how the description for The Wotch tries its best to hide that it's a fetish comic. quote:A Webcomic with a Mundane Fantastic theme, varyingly zany adventures with an overarching Myth Arc, and almost every possible variety of Shapeshifting oozing out of its suddenly feminine ears. The art goes from poor to unspectacular-but-fitting. The Wotch has a sense of fun and does some good romps if you can get into it and like, or don't mind, the levels of things turning into other things. As well as the usual creep factor. quote:A-Cup Angst: Anibelle is constantly teased about the size of her, er, "wings and horns" by her much more developed sister Drax. quote:Big Eater: Myrrh — literally so, as processed sugars seem to cause her body to grow to insanely huge sizes. In addition, her body seems to eat regardless of her intention — getting hit with a dodgeball caused it to embed inside her and start to digest. quote:Expressive Accessory: Evan's shirt has a big "E" on it (Most characters call him E). When he turns into a 4-year old girl, it changes to a lowercase "e", and most people call him Lilly (Lil' E). During Chapter 17: Adventures in Babysitting, when Lilly gets a magical age-up to her teens, her shirt has a cursive, lowecase "l". Improbable Lobster fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Jan 22, 2014 |
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Jan 22, 2014 22:05
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Kaboom Dragoon posted:As someone who digs body horror something fierce, the transformation community has always puzzled me. It's like someone picked up on the erotic themes in Videodrome or Hellraiser, but thought, "no, that's just icky, I want to be forcibly transformed into a pony or a car or someone's bidet. A sexy bidet." And then they write a whole fanfic universe where anyone who doesn't want to be a slutty bidet is treated like they have some horrible illness. I think the foundation of it is standard dissatisfaction with one's own self-image. That's just the foundation, mind. The grotesque architecture atop it varies on a case-by-case basis.
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Jan 22, 2014 22:08
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Djeser posted:Fetishes. It's not that complicated, it's not meant to explore societal whatever, it's supposed to be sexy because you're being brainwashed and transformed into a pony. This is JDR we're talking about. The truth is almost certainly far more complicated and far less sensical.
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Jan 22, 2014 22:08
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Kaboom Dragoon posted:As someone who digs body horror something fierce, the transformation community has always puzzled me. It's like someone picked up on the erotic themes in Videodrome or Hellraiser, but thought, "no, that's just icky, I want to be forcibly transformed into a pony or a car or someone's bidet. A sexy bidet." And then they write a whole fanfic universe where anyone who doesn't want to be a slutty bidet is treated like they have some horrible illness. Like, I can understand the transformation thing when it's stuff like being transformed into a super-macho bodybuilder or a porn-star or a lingerie model. That sort of thing is pretty easy to get. But then you have people who jack off to Pinocchio and An American Werewolf in London or that one story The F Plus read where the kid gets turned into his Dad's sock and finds it the most pleasurable experience in the universe. Then poo poo just gets completely loving baffling.
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Jan 22, 2014 22:27
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That Fluffy pony thing is just... hideous. In every sense of the word. The idea of anyone wanting to torment another living creature, one that's explicitly portrayed as intellectually vulnerable and incapable of understanding what's happening to it, is just sickening. I mean, sure, I play violent video games, but I've never thought of being violent to anyone in real life. I don't get it. There has to be something deeply, morally wrong with people that produce or consume that pony poo poo.
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Jan 22, 2014 22:28
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Captain Fargle posted:Like, I can understand the transformation thing when it's stuff like being transformed into a super-macho bodybuilder or a porn-star or a lingerie model. That sort of thing is pretty easy to get. But then you have people who jack off to Pinocchio and An American Werewolf in London or that one story The F Plus read where the kid gets turned into his Dad's sock and finds it the most pleasurable experience in the universe. Then poo poo just gets completely loving baffling. I think it's a humiliation thing. Lots of fetishes derive from degradation.
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Jan 22, 2014 22:32
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Pinball posted:That Fluffy pony thing is just... hideous. In every sense of the word. The idea of anyone wanting to torment another living creature, one that's explicitly portrayed as intellectually vulnerable and incapable of understanding what's happening to it, is just sickening. I mean, sure, I play violent video games, but I've never thought of being violent to anyone in real life. I don't get it. There has to be something deeply, morally wrong with people that produce or consume that pony poo poo. Yeah, a lot of furry stuff kind of tapdances around fetishizing animal abuse (with the zoophiles leaping headlong into it in the worst ways), but this fluffy thing turns the stomach because it literally fetishizes animal abuse. These are the kind of people who would get erections when they beat dogs and think, this moment would be perfect if only it could beg me to stop in human speech.
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Jan 22, 2014 22:32
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Oxxidation posted:Yeah, a lot of furry stuff kind of tapdances around fetishizing animal abuse (with the zoophiles leaping headlong into it in the worst ways), but this fluffy thing turns the stomach because it literally fetishizes animal abuse. These are the kind of people who would get erections when they beat dogs and think, this moment would be perfect if only it could beg me to stop in human speech. Yeah, that's what's so disturbing about it. A lot of weird fetishes are either literally impossible or at least don't hurt anyone (in that it's hosed up to dress up as a wolf in a diaper but at least it's consensual), but this is someone who just really wants to torture helpless animals for no reason except that it turns him on. Let's talk about something else please.
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Jan 22, 2014 22:41
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Okay, how about... let's see what TvTropes has to say on the Bible. The descriptive section's actually quite good and fairly well-aligned with what I learned in my own religion classes, and then you get to the tropes. Apparently Paul of Tarsus is a Deadpan Snarker, the story of David killing Philistines falls under the 'Twenty Bear Asses' trope, and the Bible has no chauvinism or misogyny in it whatsoever.
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Jan 22, 2014 22:51
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Pinball posted:Okay, how about... let's see what TvTropes has to say on the Bible. Well I'd imagine the Rottweiler types would howl and scream if the TVTropes page for the Bible noted anything like chauvinism or misogyny in the book (even though he's long gone, there have to be plenty more people like him still on the forums). Jerry Manderbilt fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Jan 23, 2014 |
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Jan 23, 2014 00:29
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Oh man Starship whatever his name was would go nuts. Is he still around? The passive-aggressive fundamentalist dude who's always moaning about how gays are the real bigots for not respecting his homophobic beliefs?
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Jan 23, 2014 00:39
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Pinball posted:Apparently Paul of Tarsus is a Deadpan Snarker, the story of David killing Philistines falls under the 'Twenty Bear Asses' trope, and the Bible has no chauvinism or misogyny in it whatsoever. In fairness, Saul telling David to bring back dozens of foreskins is pretty much the definition of a fetch quest.
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Jan 23, 2014 01:30
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Metal Loaf posted:If you don't mind me asking, have you been given any more stick beyond the initial backlash since you asked for your page to be removed? Naw, the hullabaloo eventually resulted in the page being locked, so that's the end of that. I highly doubt the mods at TV Tropes are going to scour it or unlock it any time soon. So locked it stays, which is fine by me.
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Jan 23, 2014 01:54
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Alpacalips Now posted:I think that tropers don't like classic science fiction because they seem like the kind of dolts who read that a character in the future is using a radio or writing with a pen and paper and they immediately scoff at how the setting is so inaccurate and implausible. Never mind that 1984 is perhaps more relevant than it ever has been, or that William Gibson's work, for all of its clunky 80's-early 90's futurism, raises important questions about how technology is altering humanity. Alien hasn't aged a day because it taps into so many primal fears. But why explore boring, hard themes when you can feel so clever for pointing out that no one will be using land line phones in 2030? I think that 25 years from now, the equivalent of tropers will roll their eyes at Mass Effect and Firefly for the same reasons. There is actually a whole trope devoted to this kind of stuff http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Zeerust tl;dr "Man those writers in the 1950s sure were dumb since they couldn't predict the internet, amirite?  "
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Jan 23, 2014 02:29
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:In fairness, Saul telling David to bring back dozens of foreskins is pretty much the definition of a fetch quest. The worst fetch quest.
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Jan 23, 2014 02:38
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Gen. Ripper posted:There is actually a whole trope devoted to this kind of stuff I find this attitude kind of baffling. I mean yes, obviously science fiction written that long ago is going to contain some inaccuracies, but if anything that's part of the fun of it. It's an interesting way to get an idea of what people back then thought was in store for them in the future. Hell, I'm already looking forward to re-reading science fiction from now a few decades down the line for that very reason.
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Jan 23, 2014 03:26
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:The worst fetch quest. I dunno, David seemed to enjoy it. He went and collected two hundred when he needed only half that.
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Jan 23, 2014 03:37
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Jan 23, 2014 03:41
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Roland Jones posted:I dunno, David seemed to enjoy it. He went and collected two hundred when he needed only half that. David was a hyperviolent and selfish rear end in a top hat that Christians idolize because his line eventually begat Jesus. But if you read anything about him, he wasn't a much better king than the ones the Bible demonizes. [/offtopic] Solomon on the other hand, was a rockin bro.
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Jan 23, 2014 03:46
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Finisher1 posted:I find this attitude kind of baffling. I mean yes, obviously science fiction written that long ago is going to contain some inaccuracies, but if anything that's part of the fun of it. It's an interesting way to get an idea of what people back then thought was in store for them in the future. Hell, I'm already looking forward to re-reading science fiction from now a few decades down the line for that very reason. Have I got a blog for you! http://www.paleofuture.com/
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Jan 23, 2014 05:03
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I watched Escape From Sobibor yesterday, and because I hate myself, I decided to see if TVTropes has an entry on it. Turns out it does! Unsurprisingly, it's a pretty short page, with the movie getting one sentence and less than 20 tropes. Let's see what's on it!quote:Arguably, a Darker and Edgier version of traditional "POW-escape" films. quote:Les Collaborateurs: Deconstructed with the Kapos. Kapo Berliner provides the most straight example.
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Jan 23, 2014 05:08
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Jay O posted:David was a hyperviolent and selfish rear end in a top hat that Christians idolize because his line eventually begat Jesus. But if you read anything about him, he wasn't a much better king than the ones the Bible demonizes. [/offtopic] One of the most fascinating things about the Old Testament, for me, is very, very few people are portrayed as unambiguously good. And it's not just a matter of shifting cultural mores, you can tell from the context that pretty much everyone in the Old Testament is meant to be seen by the reader as deeply flawed. As far as I can remember, the only person portrayed as completely moral is Job, who is probably a fictional character within the context of the Bible. (As in, regardless of what you think of the Bible's historicity, the story of Job is probably not meant to be taken as a record of events that actually happened.) Solomon is probably the only person to write two books of the Bible, where the second is a direct refutation of the first.
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Jan 23, 2014 05:31
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It's not like the New Testament is any better on that score, though. Four Gospels, each one talking about the same dude and the same period of time, all four of them different.
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Jan 23, 2014 05:40
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The Old Testament is a loving awesome read, with all the crazy poo poo that nobody ever hears about nowadays. Though the New Testament did have Jesus declaring war on the Greek Underworld and saving all the souls from Hades.
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Finisher1 posted:Hell, I'm already looking forward to re-reading science fiction from now a few decades down the line for that very reason. A few decades down the line we're almost guaranteed to be living out The Road, but hey, at least there'll be stuff to read and the tropers will be gone.
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I looked up one of my favorite Sci-Fi authors, Octavia Butler.quote:Speculative Fiction: Her book Kindred is often seen as either science fiction (due to the Time Travel, despite the fact that no explanation is ever given) or African-American fiction (because it's about an African-American, and thus Lit Fic). Butler herself saw it as fantasy. A black person wrote something about black people - it must be a Lit Fic! 
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