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Why is Best Box Office Draw a voting category? It's preposterous!
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Jan 23, 2014 09:54
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Is it my imagination or over the past few months, has Dave gotten a lot... sharper when Sting and Fedor are brought up?
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Jan 23, 2014 10:55
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For a WWE contracted talent Dean Ambrose swears up a storm on today's Art of Wrestling.
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Jan 23, 2014 11:07
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rovert posted:For a WWE contracted talent Dean Ambrose swears up a storm on today's Art of Wrestling. Any good?
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Jan 23, 2014 11:41
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It is and it isn't. It is largely him being grumpy about his time on the indies on a non-specfic basis with little if at all WWE/NXT talk.
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Jan 23, 2014 12:37
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rovert posted:For a WWE contracted talent Dean Ambrose swears up a storm on today's Art of Wrestling. You can also tell he has a dip approximately the size of a softball in.
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Jan 23, 2014 12:54
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[edit] ^^^^^ oh god I can hear it now  nothing like firing into a spitterICHIBAHN posted:Any good? the reveal early on who his roommate is is pretty funny though. NXT's Big Cas harperdc fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Jan 23, 2014 |
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Jan 23, 2014 14:21
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harperdc posted:[edit] ^^^^^ oh god I can hear it now And once you hear it you can't not hear it
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Jan 23, 2014 14:42
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Late on listening to this show, but I would like to have more of Craig on the Bryan and Vinny shows
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Jan 23, 2014 14:57
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harperdc posted:
Makes sense on how he's developed as a talker so quickly. Paired with a great talker on TV, rooms with a great talker too.
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Jan 23, 2014 16:04
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sportsgenius86 posted:Late on listening to this show, but I would like to have more of Craig on the Bryan and Vinny shows I think he's a great third man, and it's fun when they get sidetracked into shooting the breeze for a few minutes. Bryan was VERY upset about that curly fry.
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Jan 23, 2014 16:23
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The second part of the Austin/Piper interview isn't as good as the first but the exchange about Piper wanting nothing more than to be remembered as a good dad and Austin basically saying that ship has sailed for him really got to me. I think I could listen to these guys converse for hours.
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Jan 23, 2014 16:35
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Is this the thread we're going to talk Observer awards?
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Jan 23, 2014 18:16
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Dave ripping The Miz is pretty funny. PS. Why does Daniel Bryan keep winning best technical wrestler?
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Jan 23, 2014 18:21
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Cabana's talking to Ambrose, yo. Edit: Also look at this loving Sweater that Subway sent him. 
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Jan 23, 2014 18:22
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ChampRamp posted:Dave ripping The Miz is pretty funny. Dave has a bit of a point in that mat wrestling isn't emphasised a lot these days, so it's about equal parts people voting that category as 'best worker in ring' and reputation, as Bryan really was the best technical wrestler in the world for a good few years on the indies.
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Jan 23, 2014 18:26
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ChampRamp posted:Dave ripping The Miz is pretty funny. As Dave said, there's no prominent high level technical mat wrestlers in WWE or NJPW right now, so it's basically the "Bryan Danielson Award for excellence in the field of being Daniel Bryan". I voted for Tana simply because he's the best worker in the world right now. I know that's really more Most Outstanding but I couldn't think of anyone better.
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Jan 23, 2014 18:49
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I think the "by default" argument for Bryan's continued winning is kind of bullshit. There's obviously an argument to be made for Tanahashi in that category but people are really underselling how often Bryan is putting on really good matches in WWE with far more limitations than the guys in Japan have. For Bryan to have worked within the strict confines of WWE and still put together the type of 2013 he had is as impressive or even more so to me than what goes on in New Japan, even if the New Japan matches are better as a whole.
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Jan 23, 2014 19:44
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sportsgenius86 posted:I think the "by default" argument for Bryan's continued winning is kind of bullshit. There's obviously an argument to be made for Tanahashi in that category but people are really underselling how often Bryan is putting on really good matches in WWE with far more limitations than the guys in Japan have. I think the issue here is that the category is supposed to be for technical mat-based wrestling matches, not just "great matches" Like Dean Malenko won in 96-97. I think the category you're talking about would be "Outstanding Wrestler"
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Jan 23, 2014 19:50
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Dean Ambrose fuckin hates y'all nerds.
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Jan 23, 2014 20:23
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triplexpac posted:I think the issue here is that the category is supposed to be for technical mat-based wrestling matches, not just "great matches" And the best matches voting does sort of back up Dave's argument that among the voting base at least... Punk's actually had a better year in ring than Bryan. No shame on Bryan, but I think Punk's promo ability tends to make people downplay how good he is at putting a match together, especially when he's got a great opponent to work off. And the two matches that wound up in the top ten are neat, in that he was the heel in one and face in the other (albeit against an overwhelming force of nature in both).
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Jan 23, 2014 20:45
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Gaz-L posted:And the best matches voting does sort of back up Dave's argument that among the voting base at least... Punk's actually had a better year in ring than Bryan. No shame on Bryan, but I think Punk's promo ability tends to make people downplay how good he is at putting a match together, especially when he's got a great opponent to work off. And the two matches that wound up in the top ten are neat, in that he was the heel in one and face in the other (albeit against an overwhelming force of nature in both). Punk vs. Lesnar was the WWE MOTY in my book, but Bryan vs. Cena wasn't far behind and Bryan's regular Raw matches were better on average than Punk's IMO.
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Jan 23, 2014 20:51
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triplexpac posted:I think the issue here is that the category is supposed to be for technical mat-based wrestling matches, not just "great matches" Quite honestly, if we're talking strictly mat wrestling, it should've been Kyle O'Reilly by quite a large margin.
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Jan 23, 2014 20:52
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Thauros posted:Punk vs. Lesnar was the WWE MOTY in my book, but Bryan vs. Cena wasn't far behind and Bryan's regular Raw matches were better on average than Punk's IMO. Probably true, but if you're a little hazy and just decide to look at the 'big' matches the leading candidates have had this year, Punk's had more that would be in the 'classic' category. It's less about consistency (whether it SHOULD be is a different question) and more about what stands out.
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Jan 23, 2014 21:14
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because mat and submission-based wrestling is pretty much dead I've expanded my definitions of a technical wrestler, and voted for Tanahashi.ChampRamp posted:Dave ripping The Miz is pretty funny. it's funny but I always hate when he brings up the "you were a wrestling fan but you never went to a wrestling show?" thing. you can be a fan of a band and never see them live, and you can be a fan of wrestling the same way. I didn't have the opportunity to go to a WWE show until a couple years ago even though I've been watching since '98. his other criticisms of Miz are pretty valid, however. Cardboard Box fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Jan 23, 2014 |
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Jan 23, 2014 21:31
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Bryan is the default guy because he was the best at it on the indies and nobody really came close. I don't really vote for him in that category anymore because while he's probably still great at it he doesn't get to work matches that style much anymore.
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Jan 23, 2014 21:57
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Well, looks like euroresu is over. Gutted.
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Jan 23, 2014 22:14
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Cardboard Box posted:because mat and submission-based wrestling is pretty much dead I've expanded my definitions of a technical wrestler, and voted for Tanahashi. I think he means more that you have not been to any wrestling show. The WWE may not have shows near you, but another company will.
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Jan 23, 2014 22:14
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Red is Dead posted:Well, looks like euroresu is over. Gutted. What happened?
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Jan 23, 2014 22:15
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Gonzo McFee posted:What happened? Sodomy non sapiens.
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Jan 23, 2014 22:18
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bobkatt013 posted:I think he means more that you have not been to any wrestling show. The WWE may not have shows near you, but another company will. the miz sure did miss out on going to see those spectacular OVW shows
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Jan 23, 2014 22:18
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Red is Dead posted:Sodomy non sapiens. You hosed an ape up the bum?
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Jan 23, 2014 22:23
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Cardboard Box posted:because mat and submission-based wrestling is pretty much dead I've expanded my definitions of a technical wrestler, and voted for Tanahashi. If WWE never had a show in your area, that's one thing. The Miz grew up in an area with frequent WWE shows and never went. That's pretty much casual fan behavior.
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Jan 23, 2014 22:24
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Gonzo McFee posted:You hosed an ape up the bum? Buggered if I know.
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Jan 23, 2014 22:26
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MassRafTer posted:If WWE never had a show in your area, that's one thing. The Miz grew up in an area with frequent WWE shows and never went. That's pretty much casual fan behavior. I get what Dave meant, yeah. Where I grew up, the closest wrestling show was 3 hours away. I was never able to make the trip until last year. It wasn't from a lack of desire, though.
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Jan 23, 2014 22:40
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Jack Krauser posted:I get what Dave meant, yeah. Where I grew up, the closest wrestling show was 3 hours away. I was never able to make the trip until last year. It wasn't from a lack of desire, though. Yeah I grew up on a farm in the middle of nowhere, the only wrestling I ever got to see live was some weird small time operation where all the guys just ripped off WWF gimmicks. I remember a really fat guy pretending to be Yokozuna. I really wish I could have gone to a real WWF show, but my dad wouldn't take me to the big city to see one 
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Jan 23, 2014 22:54
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You guys wanted to go to WWF shows? What was wrong with you?
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Jan 23, 2014 22:55
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HulkaMatt posted:Bryan is the default guy because he was the best at it on the indies and nobody really came close. Who did you vote for, out of curiosity? That was one of the categories where I was like "I just can't answer this because I don't accept the premise of the category" (best weekly TV was the other one) and I ended up not voting largely because of those two.
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Jan 24, 2014 06:52
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jeffersonlives posted:Who did you vote for, out of curiosity? That was one of the categories where I was like "I just can't answer this because I don't accept the premise of the category" (best weekly TV was the other one) and I ended up not voting largely because of those two. The answer is to vote for CMLL guys you don't watch.
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Jan 24, 2014 06:53
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MassRafTer posted:The answer is to vote for CMLL guys you don't watch. I considered just voting like Tanahashi/Okada/Nakamura but that didn't feel right either.
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