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At the risk of double posting: the reason I don't consider Bryan a contender for a best technical award at this point is because he just doesn't do all that much technical wrestling anymore - he's eliminated most of those moves and rarely does complex transitions anymore. I don't even know that there's can be such a thing as a high level technical worker in Cena era WWE main events because of how much the style has evolved away from holds and transitions, especially post-Angle and Benoit, and Bryan at this point probably isn't even the closest guy with Lesnar around. It's obviously a big credit to Bryan as an overall worker that he went from being the best worker in the world working one way to working a vastly different style, in the process doing a near-complete overhaul of his moveset and ring psych, and still remains one of the 5 or 10 best workers in the world. But he really is a way, way different worker than he was from his king of the indies period in 2005-09, and in a way that makes giving him awards for technical mat work kind of ludicrous. Backtracking to the "if not Bryan, then who," if I'm voting for the guy who does the best, crispest real looking mat wrestling, it's pretty clearly Katsuyori Shibata, but he's even more clearly the best brawler in the world while distinctly not being the best worker in the world (though he would be top 10 and maybe even top 5). I don't know how that can make sense unless you just chalk it up to the vagaries of a guy being a great worker while having a shooter gimmick. The other elite puro workers like Tanahashi, Okada, Nakamura, Devitt, KENTA, etc. do a lot of the transitions and reversals that you'd associate with a top level technical wrestler but I don't know that any of them really does it within the confines of technical wrestling, certainly no more than Shibata. Same with the American indy guys except they're all worse than the top Japanese guys, so no one there is even a contender here outside of Kyle O'Reilly who I'm not particularly enthralled with. With Angle and Nagata, who used to be the fallback choices, both shot as workers, this was the point where I just went "gently caress it" and I assumed I hadn't seen enough 2013 wrestling to have an informed vote and trashed my ballot. In retrospect I guess I could have watched a couple more Panther and Zack Sabre matches as ballot research and probably cobbled something together or whatever but 
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jeffersonlives posted:Who did you vote for, out of curiosity? That was one of the categories where I was like "I just can't answer this because I don't accept the premise of the category" (best weekly TV was the other one) and I ended up not voting largely because of those two. I actually looked back and I shockingly did put Bryan in there. I have no memory of this  . I didn't put him at 1st though.My other 2 were Cesaro and Zack Sabre Jr. Zack is a guy I've seen very little of but I checked out a few WXW/NOAH matches. I really like the dude. I wish NOAH was good. HulkaMatt fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Jan 24, 2014 |
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Red is Dead posted:Well, looks like euroresu is over. Gutted. Wait, what? Well this is poo news.
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jeffersonlives posted:At the risk of double posting: the reason I don't consider Bryan a contender for a best technical award at this point is because he just doesn't do all that much technical wrestling anymore - he's eliminated most of those moves and rarely does complex transitions anymore. I don't even know that there's can be such a thing as a high level technical worker in Cena era WWE main events because of how much the style has evolved away from holds and transitions, especially post-Angle and Benoit, and Bryan at this point probably isn't even the closest guy with Lesnar around. It's obviously a big credit to Bryan as an overall worker that he went from being the best worker in the world working one way to working a vastly different style, in the process doing a near-complete overhaul of his moveset and ring psych, and still remains one of the 5 or 10 best workers in the world. But he really is a way, way different worker than he was from his king of the indies period in 2005-09, and in a way that makes giving him awards for technical mat work kind of ludicrous. I can't be assed to care about half of the Observer categories, so I don't vote but when I vote for the PSP awards (late) I usually just put Giant Tiger in those categories. As much as I love the construction of the HoF, the construction of the awards is pretty dumb in many areas. The PSP awards are basically the same but for some reason I vote for those, I don't know why.
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Steve is there another hand signal that you can use? No. Well, okay then! 
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LordPants posted:Steve is there another hand signal that you can use? Austin interview is a pro-listen in case you were for some reason thinking otherwise.
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The John Cena discussion on tonight's Lance show is pretty good, although neither of them knowing what kind of car the John Cena character would drive was odd. That's the one thing we know about his character!
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Today's Bryan and Vinny is amazing. It's been too long since we got a full bore assassination of Impact.
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You guys are talking like you voted in the Observer awards. I thought it was only industry people who got to. Or is that just the hall of fame?
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LividLiquid posted:You guys are talking like you voted in the Observer awards. I thought it was only industry people who got to. Or is that just the hall of fame? Anyone who subscribes can vote in the Observer Awards.
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LividLiquid posted:You guys are talking like you voted in the Observer awards. I thought it was only industry people who got to. Or is that just the hall of fame? Yeah, the Hall of Fame has strict rules for who gets a ballot, mainly industry types; the annual awards are polls of the readership.
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I know DVDVR used to talk up guys who worked for Mexican indies like Dr.Cerebro, Negro Navarro, and Black Terry. There's also guys like Daisuke Ikeda and Yuji Ishikawa in Japan, the problem is, some of these guys aren't on a lot of tape that's easy to see. Also, I think people expect high flying when they watch Mexico, assuming they can wrap their heads around lucha psychology in the first place.
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Wow, TNA is really checking out. If Angle leaves, is he going to AAA or something? Or is he actually going back to the E.
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LordPants posted:Wow, TNA is really checking out. Last time his TNA contract was up WWE wouldn't even return his phone call. So not only would have have the physical issue, he has the problem that they seem to hate him enough to slight him by not even giving him a courtesy call. I'd guess he'd do major indie dates like NEW, whichever Japanese group is dumb enough to pay him and some AAA since they want him pretty badly. If Keith's thing starts up that too. TNA might actually keep Angle around because some of their early international deals were signed thanks to having Angle on board (some others were due to Hogan) so losing all of this talent could kill their overseas business when their contracts come up.
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The latest Figure Four Weekly says there appears to be interest on WWE's and Kurt's side but WWE would never clear him and only wants him likely as a trainer.
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didn't Angle kind of mend some bridges with WWE when he entered their rehab program sometime last year? I seem to recall that they put his profile on the alumni page on WWE.com during that time.
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Yep, there's apparently also talk of WWE getting their physical Hall of Fame at Universal Studios which would be hilarious.
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Cardboard Box posted:didn't Angle kind of mend some bridges with WWE when he entered their rehab program sometime last year? I seem to recall that they put his profile on the alumni page on WWE.com during that time.
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Vince is going to look really stupid when Dana snatches Kurt Angle from right under his nose
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Dean Ambrose is a sweary, sweary man and he does not like us at all.
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ChaosSmurf posted:Dean Ambrose is a sweary, sweary man and he does not like us at all.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VEAXDV1Sr4 This basically sums up his attitude. "Let's face it, if you hate Botchamania, you're taking yourself too seriously."
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Oh aye I don't really disagree with him, seems to have his head in the right place.
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Austin teased on that most recent episode that he's gonna have Jim Johnston on the show which is potentially the best thing ever.
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I'm sick, but the show must go on.
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Bryan doin Observer Live with Jim Ross right now.
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Last night's observer was great with Dave thinking Punk doesn't understand how wrestling works. I'm not sure what Punk's quote was, but if he's still hung up on the Rock 
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Pisscast called the crowd making GBS threads on the Rumble.
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LordPants posted:Last night's observer was great with Dave thinking Punk doesn't understand how wrestling works. He can still get mad about part timers taking the spot of guys working 150 dates a year. e: Same reasoning applies to signing top WCW guys and wrecking the pay structure in 2001. Vince has to make the right business decision, but Punk would much rather close out Mania than pocket the huge bonus from Rock breaking 1M buys. UltimoDragonQuest fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Jan 27, 2014 |
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10 Count/Pisscast: As his merch does not sell, how can WWE change their Daniel Bryan marketing strategy to capitalise on his crowd popularity?
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Bryan and Vinny are doing a live-stream Rumble recap: http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-top-stories/3-news/35137-live-audio-bryan-and-vinny-show-post-royal-rumble-wrap-up-airing-now I can't get it to load though  edit: there it goes! Craig.
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Rarity posted:10 Count/Pisscast: As his merch does not sell, how can WWE change their Daniel Bryan marketing strategy to capitalise on his crowd popularity? have Bryan merch that's not gently caress ugly?
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HE HAS HUGE MUSCLES! edit: AND QUIT CALLING!!! This stuff is fun to listen to live.
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This bryan rant is AMAZING.
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Alvarez is going absolutely nuts. I need to get myself a subscription.
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Alvarez losing his mind right now is so amazing, I love this
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Yaya posted:Alvarez is going absolutely nuts. I need to get myself a subscription.
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Really hoping they put up this show tomorrow.
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This entire tangent on whether or not you can dye your hair grey is fantastic "Yes because there's SOOOO many men who say 'I wish my hair was grey!'"
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kidcoelacanth posted:Really hoping they put up this show tomorrow. they probably will put it up tonight.
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