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Eimi posted:To top it off my idiot relatives I put on the throne of Bulgaria failed to get a proper marriage so it's leaving my dynasty. That's what I get for not micromanaging them for one second and not giving a blood on blood marriage. God drat it. See if you can get another marriage from someone of your dynasty to a high-ranking member of their kingdom (prince/princess, powerful duke/ducal heir, etc.) I've noticed that the chances of a succession crisis go up if the throne switches dynasties, so as long as someone of your dynasty is a claimant and has someone to back it up, there will be a war. I almost had this problem with Leon; one civil war later and it was properly Drengot again 
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monster on a stick posted:See if you can get another marriage from someone of your dynasty to a high-ranking member of their kingdom (prince/princess, powerful duke/ducal heir, etc.) I've noticed that the chances of a succession crisis go up if the throne switches dynasties, so as long as someone of your dynasty is a claimant and has someone to back it up, there will be a war. I almost had this problem with Leon; one civil war later and it was properly Drengot again Sadly the only member of my dynasty with a claim is 70 and it's a weak claim, so I don't think I can do it that way. I'll have to finaggle another marriage. It's not that I want the alliance...its that I want Von Katlenburgs on the seat of as many thrones as I can. This is an odd playthrough as I am just trying to limit myself, no Empire (so no HRE) and just owning German culture provinces. At least I can content myself with picking up Lothringia for my dynasty. It's a weird game in general. No Hungary, it's 1060 but no Crusades, a couple Jihads. Sweeden went Catholic and then back to Norse, but the Norse faith is still unreformed. Eimi fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Jan 27, 2014 |
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The Empire creation conditions appear to be a little silly (mostly when an existing Emperor invades). Two particularly annoying ones I've noticed: 1. Italia. "Holds Kingdoms of Italy, Sicily and 1 additional kingdom title other than Italy and Sicily." a. Why isn't having the King of Italy and the King of Sicily as vassals sufficient? b. Why can't I hold Italy, Sicily, and 1 additional empire title? 2. Francia. "One kingdom title outside Francia de jure area." Again, another empire title should be enough. In addition to the above, the wiki suggests that Abyssinia and Mali both have the same problems as Italia. :paradox:
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^^^ Does vanilla even let you create an Empire title if you already have one? Um. Does anyone know how de jure duchy drift works when you have an empire? I was trying to drift some duchies from Burgundy into Aquitainia because Aquitania is a much cooler primary title, but I created the Empire of Occitania (playing CK2+) because I wanted to be able to diplovassalize some duchies that had broken off of Aquitainia while it was under the incompetent rule of the French Karlings. (speaking of Death to Karlings, I love the fact that going from Count of Provence to Emperor of Aquitaine has involved kicking the Karlings' teeth in at every turn. Attacked France during a regency to press a claim and steal half the country, then lead a civil war against the Karling Emperor to get independence, effectively cripple the HREmperor because Lorraine and Italy both split with me, watch him get overthrown in the aftermath, then spend a hundred years cockblocking France's attempts to expand in Iberia because gently caress you that's why. Anyway, actual question: after creating the Empire I destroyed all my subsidiary kingdom titles because I'd like to drift that core territory into one de jure kingdom of Aquitania, but the De Jure Kingdoms mapmode says that the territory is being incorporated into the Empire, but the De Jure duchies mapmode doesn't say it's drifting into Aquitania. Does duchy drift genuinely not happen if you have an empire, or is it just on pause until the kingdom drifts into the empire? I'm playing Ironman (I like having to roll with the punches when the RNG decides it hates me), or else I'd just edit the save. I should probably just not play Ironman games while there are mechanics I don't have a perfect handle on, but on a game like this one that basically means "don't play Ironman ever" because, hell, we STILL don't definitively know how some things under the hood work. Dallan Invictus fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Jan 27, 2014 |
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Dallan Invictus posted:^^^ Does vanilla even let you create an Empire title if you already have one? My Emperor of Brittania, Scandinavia, Francia and Hispania says "Já." Dallan Invictus posted:Does duchy drift genuinely not happen if you have an empire, or is it just on pause until the kingdom drifts into the empire? I think duchy drift won't happen unless the duchy in question is owned by a character with a kingdom title. My vassal King of Ireland did manage to drift the Duchy of Cornwall from Wales to Ireland, though, so duchy drift can still happen.
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I am /fairly/ sure you can only dejure drift things into your highest title. So Duchies into Kingdoms and Kingdoms into Empires. I have no idea if counties can drift into duchies. So as an Emperor you can only add Kingdoms. That's my understanding of it anyway.
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Any practical ways to get my character to convert religion? Turns out my son converted from Norse to Christian, and now I'm playing as him, and I'd like to switch back if possible. Can't hire a Norse adviser from what I can tell, and I have no ambitions related to that. Playing Vanilla BTW.
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Eimi posted:I am /fairly/ sure you can only dejure drift things into your highest title. So Duchies into Kingdoms and Kingdoms into Empires. I have no idea if counties can drift into duchies. Duchies are fixed, counties don't drift in or out of them. Eimi posted:So as an Emperor you can only add Kingdoms. That's my understanding of it anyway. Welp! That makes sense in retrospect, I suppose I'll just cope.
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ulmont posted:The Empire creation conditions appear to be a little silly (mostly when an existing Emperor invades). Two particularly annoying ones I've noticed: You really should be able to create arbitrary empires as long as you hold three Kingdoms or something. Have the name be "Empire of X" where X is where the capital is located or something. I would pay for DLC where I could form the Empire of Wales with the capital in Portmeirion and kill any rebellious dukes with a weather balloon. :beseeingyou:
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Thanks for the replies about the Du Jure drift. Granting independence to a duke pauses but does not halt the du jure drift? I may do that. If not, I think I am pretty much stuck letting them drift into Lithuania and then once I create the Kingdom of Ruthenia I will transfer vassalge of the duchies that drifted into Lithuania so they drift back out. But now I am wondering if creating the Wendish Empire (eventually) will gently caress that up.  monster on a stick posted:You really should be able to create arbitrary empires as long as you hold three Kingdoms or something. Have the name be "Empire of X" where X is where the capital is located or something. I would pay for DLC where I could form the Empire of Wales with the capital in Portmeirion and kill any rebellious dukes with a weather balloon. :beseeingyou: Yeah I would like if I could make an Empire with the crowns of Lithuania, Rus, and Ruthenia. But nooooo I need to conquer Perm (  ) or Poland, Pomerania, and Bohemia (getting me close to the scary Catholics and Karlings) to use Lithuania, Rus, and/or Ruthenia to make an Empire.
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Eimi posted:I am /fairly/ sure you can only dejure drift things into your highest title. So Duchies into Kingdoms and Kingdoms into Empires. I have no idea if counties can drift into duchies. So as an Emperor you can only add Kingdoms. That's my understanding of it anyway. Unless its something that changes in mods (CK2+), I'm definitely de-jure drifting duchies into king level persia while also holding emperor level persia. You need to actually make sure its considered to be "under" the king level title instead of just directly under the emperor level title though. Edit: ^ Granting independence to a duke or even just a single count will have the timer go down at the same rate reignonyourparade fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jan 27, 2014 |
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monster on a stick posted:You really should be able to create arbitrary empires as long as you hold three Kingdoms or something. Have the name be "Empire of X" where X is where the capital is located or something. I would pay for DLC where I could form the Empire of Wales with the capital in Portmeirion and kill any rebellious dukes with a weather balloon. :beseeingyou: CK2+ does this (but the arbitrary empire titles are by culture instead of by capital). reignonyourparade posted:Unless its something that changes in mods (CK2+), I'm definitely de-jure drifting duchies into king level persia while also holding emperor level persia. You need to actually make sure its considered to be "under" the king level title instead of just directly under the emperor level title though. I don't think mods can change this, so I guess I'll see what happens in 100 years when Aquitania drifts into the Empire and the chain's there again. Good sign though!
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Eimi posted:I am /fairly/ sure you can only dejure drift things into your highest title. So Duchies into Kingdoms and Kingdoms into Empires. I have no idea if counties can drift into duchies. So as an Emperor you can only add Kingdoms. That's my understanding of it anyway. Counties cannot drift into duchies, those are always fixed. Everything else can de jure drift whenever, the only condition is that the whole duchy/kingdom is directly under a single title. EDIT: beaten by a parade 
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Just to clarify something, since we're on the topic of de jure drift: If I hold an empire and two kingdoms and one of my duchies de jure drifts out of a kingdom (into another kingdom under the same empire), can I de jure drift it back if I take the duchy back and hand off my second kingdom to someone? I took it back a while ago and it hasn't had any progress, so I'm assuming that's because I hold two kingdoms.
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jellycat posted:Just to clarify something, since we're on the topic of de jure drift: Open a province window of one county in that duchy. In upper right corner of that window there should be several coat of arms. One representing the county (on right, big one), one for de facto duchy it's in, and one for de facto kingdom it's in. If there is no kingdom, that means the duchy is hierarchically under your empire title, and not under kingdom title that you wish to absorb it with. Sadly, you cannot directly attach it to your kingdom title, so it's your best bet to do what you just said. Either give someone your second kingdom (this should attach it to your only kingdom left), or give someone else the duchy and kingdom you want to de jure drift it into. Yeah, de jure drifting is a little complicated.
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Did you take a picture of your screen with a camera?
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Did you take a photo of your screen with your phone? You can screenshot with f12, I think. f11 may even screen-cap the entire political map!
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ThisIsNoZaku posted:Did you take a picture of your screen with a camera? nutranurse posted:Did you take a photo of your screen with your phone? You can screenshot with f12, I think. f11 may even screen-cap the entire political map! But can you run those through instagram filters with just a couple taps?
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I just like being special 
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ThisIsNoZaku posted:Did you take a picture of your screen with a camera? Ahahaha.
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reignonyourparade posted:Unless its something that changes in mods (CK2+), I'm definitely de-jure drifting duchies into king level persia while also holding emperor level persia. You need to actually make sure its considered to be "under" the king level title instead of just directly under the emperor level title though. Yeah, but I think Dallan's problem is that he destroyed his king-level titles, leaving himself without a kingdom for the duchies to de jure drift into.
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Jolan posted:What's that blue baby icon? Notice the strange color for Scotland? That is a sign that he is playing with a mod, most likely CK2+. So that blue icon represents his age.
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It's funny that someone decided Ireland needed even more provinces. No you don't understand, Sligo is absolutely disparate enough from Connacht that it deserves full representation on Newbie Island...!
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Did they reduce the number of holdings per county at all in that map expansion? That'd be a valid way to effectively make ireland poorer and weaker, because more holdings will be under a vassal, which means the levies are filtered through an extra layer of vassal reducing things. Would make Ireland more prestigious though since you'd have more titles and vassals, that's a funny balance interaction I hadn't spotted before.
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Seoinin posted:It's funny that someone decided Ireland needed even more provinces. No you don't understand, Sligo is absolutely disparate enough from Connacht that it deserves full representation on Newbie Island...! The SWMH map is horrifyingly bad for a wide variety of reasons and its a drat shame CK2+ has it integrated.
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I wouldn't call it horrifying. It just tickles me in the same way that dudes arguing that Serbia should be 30 provinces does.
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Seoinin posted:I wouldn't call it horrifying. It just tickles me in the same way that dudes arguing that Serbia should be 30 provinces does. I would love to have a few maps that are nothing but, say, 30 provinces worth of Serbia. In a vacuum. I like small, discrete scenarios for both strategic and framerate reasons.
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 I might have gone beyond the borders of Germany a bit, despite not wanting to go Empire this playthrough. That's not bad right? I...I had to protect all the people of German provinces. Right? 
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I would love to have a few maps that are nothing but, say, 30 provinces worth of Serbia. In a vacuum. I like small, discrete scenarios for both strategic and framerate reasons. I would absolutely play a mod that was just Ireland. Keeps it on a large island, no boats to deal with, no outside neighbors. Basically the Sengoku mod, but on a smaller scale.
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So after I went Catholic and made a bunch of dukes and kings independent, I wanted to restore the Papacy to Rome. I made an antipope thinking that would give me a claim on Rome against my former German republic, but nothing. So I just fabricated a claim on the (now) Grand City of Rome, pressed it, won, and then immediately got an event to restore the Papacy to Rome. Sure, that's exactly what I wan- -ted? hellsjudge fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Jan 28, 2014 |
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ThirstyTurtle posted:Does anyone know of a mod that expands the map into Asia? Well there's Umbra Spherae, but that's less "expands into Asia" and more "All of Eurasia." Also last I checked it was pretty unfinished, but that was also a while ago.
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hellsjudge posted:So after I went Catholic and made a bunch of dukes and kings independent, I wanted to restore the Papacy to Rome. I made an antipope thinking that would give me a claim on Rome against my former German republic, but nothing. So I just fabricated a claim on the (now) Grand City of Rome, pressed it, won, and then immediately got an event to restore the Papacy to Rome. Sure, that's exactly what I wan- The Most Serene Republic of The Papacy
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ThirstyTurtle posted:Does anyone know of a mod that expands the map into Asia? Not sure of any mods other than Umbra Spherae, but Rajahs will presumably have to add a large chunk of central asia.
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hellsjudge posted:So after I went Catholic and made a bunch of dukes and kings independent, I wanted to restore the Papacy to Rome. I made an antipope thinking that would give me a claim on Rome against my former German republic, but nothing. So I just fabricated a claim on the (now) Grand City of Rome, pressed it, won, and then immediately got an event to restore the Papacy to Rome. Sure, that's exactly what I wan- I keep thinking of the neighbor from Office Space for some reason.
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Main Paineframe posted:Yeah, but I think Dallan's problem is that he destroyed his king-level titles, leaving himself without a kingdom for the duchies to de jure drift into. I actually destroyed all but one of the king titles because I thought that would get everything drifting into the king title I want to keep. Maybe it will! We'll see. Rannos22 posted:The SWMH map is horrifyingly bad for a wide variety of reasons and its a drat shame CK2+ has it integrated. It actually doesn't, it uses a different map mod because some devs objected to SWMH (and has altered it since it response to feedback). reignonyourparade posted:Did they reduce the number of holdings per county at all in that map expansion? That'd be a valid way to effectively make ireland poorer and weaker, because more holdings will be under a vassal, which means the levies are filtered through an extra layer of vassal reducing things. They actually did, in a lot of cases. so huzzah.
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Rannos22 posted:The SWMH map is horrifyingly bad for a wide variety of reasons and its a drat shame CK2+ has it integrated. CK2+ doesn't have the SWMH map incorporated, it has a different map mod that, while not perfect, is about a thousand times less extreme than what SWMH does.
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Fuligin posted:Not sure of any mods other than Umbra Spherae, but Rajahs will presumably have to add a large chunk of central asia. catlord posted:Well there's Umbra Spherae, but that's less "expands into Asia" and more "All of Eurasia." Also last I checked it was pretty unfinished, but that was also a while ago. Thanks for the heads up guys.
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