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Some people have bad taste in pew-pew spacemans stories. See: People who defend Vulkan Lives! I'm re-reading the Night Lords series by ADB. My god, is he such a good writer. The inherent tragedy and hopelessness of their situation underlays every paragraph. The meeting between Talos and Abaddon reads like a mouse projecting his frustrations and relative powerlessness onto a particularly indulgent cat. Everything Malcharion does is awesome. The humor is wonderfully dark. 'Brothers! Everyone in this room is going to die!' shouldn't be so funny but I had to stop reading to stop laughing there. Septimus and Octavia are great characters, and their interactions and growing intimacy feels natural and adds an all-too-human element to the grandiose tragedy of First Claw. Talos himself straddles the fine line between monster and hero - absolutely monstrous in his treatment of those who aren't of his warband, almost fatherly to everyone who is. It's gorey as hell, but the mutilations might not seem so horrific on your first read-through since they are so well written. And yet the series avoids descending into navel-gazing melancholy. The opening of Blood Reaver has Talos contemplate his broken helm as a metaphor for his broken legion - and then immediately reject the metaphor as too self-indulgent and simplistic. If you haven't read the Night Lords series, you need to. Starting with 'Lord of the Night' isn't a bad choice, even if technically it's not the correct starting point. Has the Black Library released a Night Lords Omnibus? Because if they haven't, they need to. The two short stories and 'Throne of Lies' need to be included as well. If you're looking for a good audio drama, Throne of Lies is really excellent, by the way.
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Mr Teatime posted:That sword thing was something that finally managed to make me sperg out about 40k. It doesn't even make any sense! The mournival/mourn-it-all thing is a really badly forced pun but it only even makes sense in present day english. In imperial gothic or cthonic or whatever the heck they speak it wouldn't even work. What have I become? DirtyRobot posted:The logic here works for every pun that is ever made on shows with alien languages and some sort of universal translator or Tardis or something.
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Jan 30, 2014 16:47
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because the pun obviously wouldn't work in their language (that, or the universal translator explodes in their ear, trying to compute the pun).
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DirtyRobot posted:I wish a show one of these days would have a character make a pun and the alien character is like "I don't get it" All the made up "curse words" from Farscape are the show's translator nanomachines failing to properly express the assorted curse words and phrases of the alien species. The best part is that the one, English speaking, human character eventually starts using these words even though they mean nothing to the aliens listening to him.
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Jan 30, 2014 16:48
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Noctis Horrendae posted:Dunno where you heard its terrible. Arguably the best Heresy book and perhaps even the best 40k book IMHO. The prose is great and the story is one of the most interesting ones out of all the heresy books. Are you not mistaking it for some other book? Anonymous Zebra posted:All the made up "curse words" from Farscape are the show's translator nanomachines failing to properly express the assorted curse words and phrases of the alien species. The best part is that the one, English speaking, human character eventually starts using these words even though they mean nothing to the aliens listening to him. Farscape is amazing in how the resourceful but clueless and well in intentioned John Crichton gradually turns into... John Crichton 
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Jan 30, 2014 17:24
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VanSandman posted:Has the Black Library released a Night Lords Omnibus? Because if they haven't, they need to. The two short stories and 'Throne of Lies' need to be included as well. If you're looking for a good audio drama, Throne of Lies is really excellent, by the way. I thought an omnibus was planned. I keep trying to give my money to GW for a print copy of Night Lords, but they don't seem to want to take it.
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Jan 30, 2014 17:54
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Nephilm posted:Farscape is amazing in how the resourceful but clueless and well in intentioned John Crichton gradually turns into... Farscape is amazing for how it used Chrichton. Here is a link about how his being driven insane was a core part of the series, but unfortunately I can't find the one that details how he really snaps midway through season 1, and the rest of it is the crew realizing he is crazy and capitalizing on it by using that to throw off their pursuers and confound their enemies - they point Jon in a direction, give him a nudge, and watch as he does poo poo like show up to a peace conference with a thermonuclear bomb strapped to his chest.
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Jan 30, 2014 18:05
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VanSandman posted:Some people have bad taste in pew-pew spacemans stories. See: People who defend Vulkan Lives! The introduction to Malcharion where he's just thinkin about being a human nugget in some fluid inside this gigantic machine is beautiful. Especially when his stumps move when he tries to move himself.
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Jan 30, 2014 18:56
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VanSandman posted:Some people have Is it great? No. Does it advance the HH story? Not really. Is it mediocre? Yes. Can you skip it without missing anything important? Yes.
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Jan 30, 2014 19:58
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VanSandman posted:Some people have bad taste in pew-pew spacemans stories. See: People who defend Vulkan Lives! I know a guy who told me he was having trouble getting through Eisenhorn because of the first person perspective. He really liked the Outcast Dead though. 
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The less you know about WH40k the easier it is to enjoy the bad books.
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No, it only excuses the reader from continuity and fluff mistakes, not bad writing.
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Jan 30, 2014 21:53
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Whoah what is it like having such terrible opinions because FotE is dull as hell. I may have bad taste, but it's my bad taste and that's what makes my opinion inherently superior to yours. Just joking. I need to go reread that. I remember it being great, but my memory is bad.
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Jan 30, 2014 22:10
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So long as we can agree that reading a few hundred pages about Titans in Titanicus is totally awesome is really all that matters. Everything else is just background noise.
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Addressing the thing from last page about Space Marine being set in an alternate universe; As far as I'm aware, that's a requirement from GW, presumably so that they don't have to worry about a game developer loving their precious universe up. I know I heard it in relation to one of the MMOs, either Eternal Crusade or the scrapped Dark Millennium Online, so I assume it applied to Space Marine as well. It's a fairly new restriction though, I don't think any of the Dawn of War games had it. Then again Captain Titus references the Dawn of War 2 campagin, so who the gently caress knows. Hot Dog Day #82 posted:So long as we can agree that reading a few hundred pages about Titans in Titanicus is totally awesome is really all that matters. Everything else is just background noise. Don't get me wrong, it's still a great book, but I felt that there weren't enough of the Titans and their crews in it; a bit too much faffing about with a bunch of different characters for me. I read Titanicus after reading Mechanicum, Priests of Mars, and Lords of Mars; all of which feature Titans. To me it felt like Titanicus barely had more Titan stuff than those three, and I guess I expected more from a book with "Titan" in the title.
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Noctis Horrendae posted:I may have bad taste, but it's my bad taste and that's what makes my opinion inherently superior to yours. Honestly, I thought you were about to be declared a heretic by the rest of the community.
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Jan 31, 2014 03:19
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Uroboros posted:Honestly, I thought you were about to be declared a heretic by the rest of the community. I would rather not be hunted down by the Goon Inquisition.
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Noctis Horrendae posted:I would rather not be hunted down by the Goon Inquisition. They will be easy to outrun at least
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Jan 31, 2014 03:43
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Fried Chicken posted:They will be easy to outrun at least I don't know, those Goon Inquisition guys are usually psykers, too. Maybe they can cast temporary anti-fat spells.
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Jan 31, 2014 03:49
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Groetgaffel posted:Addressing the thing from last page about Space Marine being set in an alternate universe; I just assume that the events happened unless they're directly contradicted in the fluff. The plot is pretty much just Ultramarines fight Orkz on a Forge World so it's not like it was a particularly unusual event.
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Groetgaffel posted:Addressing the thing from last page about Space Marine being set in an alternate universe; They could easily fold it into the universe pretty easily. Say the events of the game took place in the 37 Millennium and after Titus is taken by the Inquisitors and the Black Templars he is given a choice. Life imprisoned by the Ordos till they find out why he is so warp resilient (seems weird in a world where Blanks exist that this is an issue) or his name and record is stricken from legion records and he is forever enlisted in the Deathwatch. If GW was really worried about the game story fitting in they could give the developer a strict outline to follow and they have to sign off on the story. Or they could put DA or ADB in charge of the script (or at least have them edit or do the rewrite).
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Jan 31, 2014 06:20
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I finished Sabbat Worlds after reading Salvation's Reach, first. I'm a little sad that's all the Gaunt 'n' Pals I'll get until the next book comes out.
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EyeRChris posted:They could easily fold it into the universe pretty easily. Say the events of the game took place in the 37 Millennium and after Titus is taken by the Inquisitors and the Black Templars he is given a choice. Life imprisoned by the Ordos till they find out why he is so warp resilient (seems weird in a world where Blanks exist that this is an issue) or his name and record is stricken from legion records and he is forever enlisted in the Deathwatch. Why are we even discussing this, they are never making a Space Marine 2 game. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Canceled-Warhammer-Space-Marine-2-and-3-Get-Detailed-by-Game-Director-393106.shtml
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Sandweed posted:Why are we even discussing this, they are never making a Space Marine 2 game. Eh, GW whores the IP to anyone these days.
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Sandweed posted:Why are we even discussing this, they are never making a Space Marine 2 game. Titus going "gently caress you guys, I'm going to start my own chapter, and it's going to be super awesome!" ? Yeah that's dumb.
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Groetgaffel posted:Well the planned story arc sounds really dumb anyway. Nah, it's pretty cool, because Titus was pretty cool. 
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VanSandman posted:Nah, it's pretty cool, because Titus was pretty cool. Honestly, my sperg issue was that the Space Marines seemed undersized. Basically they just looked like normal dudes in power armor. You can tell they pretty much went off the table top models size ratios, but the drat Inquisitor is near standing head height with Titus. Basically, I imagine a Space Marines hand when gloved in power armor would easily envelope a human head. The game itself...it was meh, gets really repetitive. I will say they nailed down the music and the overall action style, but it has the feel of a game to rushed. You can tell that not a lot of effort was put into the environments, and honestly using the bolter seemed pointless 99% of the time. When I unload a bolter into a pack of Orks I expect them to be reduced to little giblets, not requiring half a magazines to kill a single boy. 3/5...being generous, don't polish a turd people. Also, gently caress Marines that don't wear helmets. You think the Codex Astartes might have something in there about how helmets are good at stopping bullets and such.
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This guy went a little crazy over his spacemans hobby: http://blog.naver.com/shreneo/100204308978 I guess painting a full legion would drive you crazy but this is only about 1/10th of what you'd need.
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Uroboros posted:Honestly, my sperg issue was that the Space Marines seemed undersized. Basically they just looked like normal dudes in power armor. You can tell they pretty much went off the table top models size ratios, but the drat Inquisitor is near standing head height with Titus. Basically, I imagine a Space Marines hand when gloved in power armor would easily envelope a human head.
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Shadowhand00 posted:This guy went a little crazy over his spacemans hobby: Goddamn, and it's not hurried work, either! Each one is beautifully done. Be proud dude, for your obsession has produced something neat. Arquinsiel posted:especially since Dan Abnett decided that most of the IG characters are "well over two meters" which is kind of huge. Space meters
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Uroboros posted:Honestly, my sperg issue was that the Space Marines seemed undersized. Basically they just looked like normal dudes in power armor. You can tell they pretty much went off the table top models size ratios, but the drat Inquisitor is near standing head height with Titus. Basically, I imagine a Space Marines hand when gloved in power armor would easily envelope a human head. Eh, if you walked by that LT Mira or any random IG jack off running around, you were easily head and shoulders taller than them. Much wider too. I can remember a lot of marines preferring to go helm-less because they like to take in all the sensory inputs of a battlefield sans filters. I dunno, the lore supports it. Shadowhand00 posted:This guy went a little crazy over his spacemans hobby: I saw this on Reddit today too. I wonder how the gently caress he afforded this many models. The guy didn't look to be out of his 20s, so it's not like it's the lifes work of some 45 year old basement dwelling 40K autist. lite_sleepr fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Jan 31, 2014 |
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One Legged Cat posted:Goddamn, and it's not hurried work, either! Each one is beautifully done. Be proud dude, for your obsession has produced something neat. 
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Don't the helmets mess with Space Wolf special senses or something? Hell, if nothing else, the reason to take the helmet off is to look cool and that should be enough. (I think the Deathwatch RPG actually gives you bonus Renown in certain types of missions if you lead a mission and have your helmet off.)
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I liked the bolter in that game. 1 headshot or like 3-4 bodyshots killed an average ork which seems about right to me (for a game), especially since the actual humans in the game had half the health of a normal ork, died to like 1-2 shots, and could be squished without even stunning them first. I also liked that you could gib gretchen just by punching them. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Jan 31, 2014 |
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Aziraphale posted:Eh, if you walked by that LT Mira or any random IG jack off running around, you were easily head and shoulders taller than them. Much wider too. I think the little kid who's giving the peace sign is his son. He mentions that he takes his son to gaming activities. He's also talking about his second son coming soon. I guess its also been 7 years since he's started this part of his hobby - prior to this, he was doing regular military models
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Aziraphale posted:I saw this on Reddit today too. I wonder how the gently caress he afforded this many models. The guy didn't look to be out of his 20s, so it's not like it's the lifes work of some 45 year old basement dwelling 40K autist.
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Cream_Filling posted:I liked the bolter in that game. 1 headshot or like 3-4 bodyshots killed an average ork which seems about right to me (for a game), especially since the actual humans in the game had half the health of a normal ork, died to like 1-2 shots, and could be squished without even stunning them first. Grots also die if you sprint or roll into them.
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Uroboros posted:Honestly, my sperg issue was that the Space Marines seemed undersized. Basically they just looked like normal dudes in power armor. You can tell they pretty much went off the table top models size ratios, but the drat Inquisitor is near standing head height with Titus. Basically, I imagine a Space Marines hand when gloved in power armor would easily envelope a human head. The "no-helmet" tradition that the Ultramarines use more than any other chapter is reserved for anyone above Sergeant, so they got that part of the lore terribly wrong too, provided everyone other than Titus was below Sergeant - I think there was at least one regular battle-brother.
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If memory serves, there were only two other Marines that didn't wear helmets in that game. Sidonus never had his helmet in the first place and Leandros is a loving twit anyway. Besides which they had to remove it specifically because he was a prominent character - it's very difficult to relate to a metal faceplate.
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PantsOptional posted:If memory serves, there were only two other Marines that didn't wear helmets in that game. Sidonus never had his helmet in the first place and Leandros is a loving twit anyway. Besides which they had to remove it specifically because he was a prominent character - it's very difficult to relate to a metal faceplate. Leandros' helmet was hosed up in the initial fight.
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PantsOptional posted:If memory serves, there were only two other Marines that didn't wear helmets in that game. Sidonus never had his helmet in the first place and Leandros is a loving twit anyway. Besides which they had to remove it specifically because he was a prominent character - it's very difficult to relate to a metal faceplate. I don't think it's necessary to relate to a game focused on combat with a posthuman giant spaceman in a mid-budget game with the plot of an 80's B movie. This probably is hardly English but I got my point across - hopefully - and I'm too tired to attempt to correct it.
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