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Knormal posted:It happened, I found the user with the worst mouse ever. There were a few of these at the last place I worked and they're as awful as you think. Also they get incredibly grubby and are impossible to clean thoroughly. Years ago I was cleaning out an I.T. crap drawer left by my idiot predecessors and found this. I thought they were flight sim pedals until I read the label. 
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Collateral Damage posted:You're either trolling or you've never worked outside the IT/web industry. Even the drat ATMs run Windows. Not even 7, XP.
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Bohemian Cowabunga posted:How do those even work? I assume you either tilt or drag your left foot around to move the cursor, and stomp your right foot to click? Seems like one of those "sounds like a good idea in the abstract for about 1 second before you actually think about it at all" ergonomic things, like the sidewaysmouse or those weird transforming chairs.
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GreenNight posted:Oh right ESX. Have any of you use Jabber? We're trying to decide between Jabber and Lync. We get both with our licensing. If you use the office suite go for lync
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Collateral Damage posted:You're either trolling or you've never worked outside the IT/web industry. Are you serious? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Servers I mean, this isn't a hard thing to go look up.
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ratbert90 posted:Are you serious? That just measures servers that are accessible to the web though - are those are a lot more likely to be non-windows.
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Feb 2, 2014 20:47
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ratbert90 posted:Are you serious? Those are web servers and other servers you can find by doing a sweep of the public internet. This ignores all the internal file servers, LDAP, applications, database.... Also, even that says 25 to 30% of servers use Windows server. I highly doubt every single one of them is an amateur, particularly since an amateur might want to learn linux and doesn't have to buy and maintain a license for it.
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skooma512 posted:Those are web servers and other servers you can find by doing a sweep of the public internet. I know. I am saying that it isn't "Every corporation on earth runs Windows because I work at a bank and they run Windows."
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Feb 2, 2014 20:52
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Except you're not really saying anything just being argumentative
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My previous job was working for a company that among other things, made a head tracking mouse alternative. When you're a quad it makes perfect sense. When you're just using it for ergo reasons, you're actively searching for ways to make a 5 minute task take one hour to complete.
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Megaman posted:That's THE funniest joke I've heard in a LONG time. I've never heard of a single company that runs windows in any serious environment. Do you work for Tardco or IdiotiCorp? This is the funniest thing I've ever heard in a long time. Although it's sad at the same time because I have cleaned up after people with this mentality in environments. "Windows AD? LOL that costs money and isn't secure or free! SAMBA is the way to go!" "Exchange? Sendmail is where it's at! No stupid cals or costly money for!" Then people wonder why poo poo runs like it's from the 90's GreenNight posted:Oh right ESX. Have any of you use Jabber? We're trying to decide between Jabber and Lync. We get both with our licensing. Do you want do deal with java mess? if so Jabber's you're option; even cisco's unified communications jabber is a nightmare "We need A/V and Firewalls disabled on this box, or it won't work!" Lync is actually a decent product that works well even in the O365 versions. However if you're a small office and looking for a lite free solution there is openfire(jabber on the back end) http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/ Dilbert As FUCK fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Feb 2, 2014 |
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:Although it's sad at the same time because I have cleaned up after people with this mentality in environments. Currently in an environment that is the result of about 5 years of this mentality, but quickly learned that the mentality was the result of "wait, that costs money? but what we use right now is free, just make it work like the thing that costs money. and make it faster" from the people who control the money.
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:This is the funniest thing I've ever heard in a long time. Jabber users Java? Ok I made my decision on what my recommendation is. Thanks for the info.
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:This is the funniest thing I've ever heard in a long time. There's room. Exchange sucks, admittedly. Naive sendmail also sucks. Good sendmail rocks. Postfix is great for small/medium shops. Samba isn't an AD competitor, and just use AD, but don't write off jabber/xmpp. Large Jabber works, Google Talk among others Linux and windows are equally viable for servers. Business apps are often on windows. Everything else on *nix. People are too all or nothing
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GreenNight posted:Jabber users Java? Ok I made my decision on what my recommendation is. Thanks for the info. No. Openfire is one of many implementations of the XMPP (Jabber) protocol. Openfire uses Java but there are others that don't.
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ratbert90 posted:Are you serious?
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ratbert90 posted:Are you serious? BSD is dying. Netcraft confirms it. GreenNight posted:Jabber users Java? Ok I made my decision on what my recommendation is. Thanks for the info. There's an erlang jabber server, ejabberd, but OpenFire is glorious Java.
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Openfire is pretty easy to administer and long-term stable as long as you make sure its java VM has enough memory. I've only ever run it with at most 100 simultaneous users though, so, my experience may or may not be typical.
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My old openfire server was constantly freezing up to the point where it required a hard reboot, so when one of our old HP G5's (former ESXi host in our DR site) was put out for recycling, I snatched it up. It now has 16 cores and 28GB of memory to work with and hasn't had an issue since  I'm sure the whole 10 people in the IT department who use it appreciate its stability.
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Collateral Damage posted:For major companies, public servers are often outsourced. Please stop. Windows v. Linux (and to a lesser degree these days, UNIX) is pretty indisputable. Red Hat has made it into F500 purely off subscriptions for Linux. Large shops run Linux. Every single F500 company runs Linux servers. Every one. They also run Windows. Each has their place.
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evol262 posted:Please stop. Windows v. Linux (and to a lesser degree these days, UNIX) is pretty indisputable. Red Hat has made it into F500 purely off subscriptions for Linux. Large shops run Linux. Every single F500 company runs Linux servers. Every one. They also run Windows. Each has their place. Exactly the point I was trying to make.  Operating systems to me are just a tool, not a religion.
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evol262 posted:There's room. Exchange sucks, admittedly. Why do people keep saying this? Sure, 2000 and 2003 were probably pretty lovely, but Exchange nowadays is pretty goddamn easy to set up (properly, even), very forgiving in terms of database management, recovering from problems (like "the log drive filled up because Backup Exec blows" or "some dumbass disconnected the DB drives"), and really is pretty simple to administer, although the 2007 Powershell debacle was retarded. I'm not saying by any means it's the best email server there ever was, but I've had no issues with it and we have a bunch of clients running all different versions with no problems. It's probably one of the things I spend the least amount of time troubleshooting/fixing. Also, there are a LOT of things that Exchange/AD just get right that take a lot of effort to set up with the free stuff. Case in point, one of our biggest clients, a cloud startup that is fervently anti-Microsoft, recently set up a website just to be an employee directory because the Google Apps built-in directory wasn't good enough for them, primarily because no one entered in their info (and as far as I know admins can't do it since it's a per user thing). That's a problem we wouldn't even have in an Exchange environment where it automagically pulls everything from AD and that info gets entered during user creation. evol262 posted:Linux and windows are equally viable for servers. Business apps are often on windows. Everything else on *nix. People are too all or nothing This I completely agree with. Web servers especially, but anything else where the software is primarily open-source or built on Linux. Even if there's a Windows port of it, why? Use the software on the system it was designed and built with. Nagios, Openfire, Cacti, MediaWiki, just to name a few, are all very nice pieces of free software and if they fit your needs, there's no reason to insist on trying to find a Windows version. You put it on Gentoo though (a previous coworker loved him some loving Gentoo) and we're going to have words. Edit: hopefully we can turn this into another useless distro flamewar
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Potato Alley posted:You put it on Gentoo though (a previous coworker loved him some loving Gentoo) and we're going to have words. Gotta get your .5% performance increase after spending 3 hours compiling OpenOffice. 
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I wasn't trying to argue the merits of operating systems, sorry if it came off like that. 
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Potato Alley posted:Why do people keep saying this? Sure, 2000 and 2003 were probably pretty lovely, but Exchange nowadays is pretty goddamn easy to set up (properly, even), very forgiving in terms of database management, recovering from problems (like "the log drive filled up because Backup Exec blows" or "some dumbass disconnected the DB drives"), and really is pretty simple to administer, although the 2007 Powershell debacle was retarded. Admittedly, I haven't touched an exchange console since 2005, so my opinion on it is dated. But your outlook autocomplete and sendmail aren't orthogonal (actually autocompleting people you talk to often rather than pulling from LDAP is, but Thunderbird and Outlook both handle that fine without exchange backing it, just that it doesn't live on the server, and LDAP completion works). I'd be amazed if Google didn't have a tool to programmatically create info. Exchange's calendaring is unrivalled, but backups, corrupt databases, hideously long rebuilds, weird MAPI issues across versions of office, powershell debacle, etc. It works. It's great for end users. But it takes a lot more hand holding than sendmail.
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Potato Alley posted:Why do people keep saying this? Sure, 2000 and 2003 were probably pretty lovely, but Exchange nowadays is pretty goddamn easy to set up (properly, even), very forgiving in terms of database management, recovering from problems (like "the log drive filled up because Backup Exec blows" or "some dumbass disconnected the DB drives"), and really is pretty simple to administer, although the 2007 Powershell debacle was retarded. UNIX guy here. This is one of those things that "everybody knows" that just isn't so. For instance "Everybody knows that Sun gear and Cisco gear can't do Auto negotiate." or "Everyone knows mommy birds will abandon their babies if you touch them." MS does email (via exchange), print/file and auth pretty well these days. I'd not hesitate to deploy MS for any of these things. Honestly, I feel the same way about MS doing those things as I feel about HP as a server vendor. They might suck, but everyone else sucks worse. What are you going to use for LDAP, iPlanet? (or whatever sun/oracle call it now?)
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mad.radhu posted:a ticket came in: what has been working fine since the company started is suddenly unacceptable No one ever got fired for buying
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GreenNight posted:Oh right ESX. Have any of you use Jabber? We're trying to decide between Jabber and Lync. We get both with our licensing. ...we bought Trillian for Business.
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mad.radhu posted:a ticket came in: what has been working fine since the company started is suddenly unacceptable Do you know why this is no longer so? That might help to make a better decision.
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Exchange 2010 is actually great, it's a lot easier to administrate than 2003 was - when it invariably breaks it's usually fairly quick to figure out why.
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nitrogen posted:Honestly, I feel the same way about MS doing those things as I feel about HP as a server vendor. They might suck, but everyone else sucks worse. What are you going to use for LDAP, iPlanet? (or whatever sun/oracle call it now?) eDirectory, obviously.
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I like to use the right tool for the job, rather than making decisions on some fanatical devotion to a particular OS vv
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FISHMANPET posted:I like to use the right tool for the job, rather than making decisions on some fanatical devotion to a particular OS v  What a heretical opinion!!
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anthonypants posted:
The irony is that we run Solaris for things that have no reason being run on Solaris (read: everything but file servers), but at least that's changing.
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Chiming into the Microsoft vs Linux vs Cisco vs IBM vs Nanna Joe vs Open Sores vs Stallman vs Wozniak chat, I really think that a lot more popular tools, that may or may not have had a start in the UNIX environment that still heavily rely on the CLI for most actions, should really look to Microsoft and how they do things with Exchange 2007 and onwards. It's all Powershell, which isn't the request, but when you do something in the GUI, if its change a mailbox's properties or change a send connector, it'll execute the command, then show you the Powershell command it ran to do it. This has been a godsend to myself who is trying to get to grips with Exchange, amongst others, very quickly. So when we need to write a custom script, or just schedule an action, I've already got the code that I can just bundle into a .ps1 and just run from there. It's also nice to see what the EMC is actually doing when you ask it to do something, but ultimately it means that if you're more of a CLI player, you don't have to spend as long reading through every possible manual page, when you can just do the few repeatables in the GUI, write it down and then execute them.
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An "internet stopped working". Turned out the finance department forgot to pay for the fortigate license and as a result the webfilter blocks every single webpage.  We got tired of people asking if there were any problems with the internet, so...: (It reads internet is broken) 
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I need more pics of the little banner on your office window, STAT. that looks pretty neato.
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nitrogen posted:I need more pics of the little banner on your office window, STAT. that looks pretty neato. I second that motion.
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Here's the whole collection, go nuts. 
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