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mattfl posted:He doesn't have money coming in though, he's got the promise/pinky swear it coming in at the end of the month. Well if he doesn't he can walk with his head held high. He's gone in, he's discussed it and his boss knows that he's willing to do something about it. If his boss decides to try and gently caress him over that's his bosses downfall, he can sue knowing full well he tried to address the issues first. As someone who worked for free for a long time finally getting the balls to say "hold up, I need to be paid now" can be a giant hurdle to overcome and he should be patted on the back for that. Sefal, regardless of if you have to sue to get your money or he actually coughs up the cash, you've gotten the ball rolling, which is the most important thing. dogstile fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Feb 10, 2014 |
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Please export your mailbox and make offsite backups of everything else that proves you have been working there.
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Sefal posted:Update dogstile posted:Well if he doesn't he can walk with his head held high. He's gone in, he's discussed it and his boss knows that he's willing to do something about it. His boss doesn't know anything other than he can continue to lead Sefal on with nothing but promises. Sefal, can I ask how old you are?
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Since it's not even halfway through the month yet, I submit that you're still a sucker and he's getting another two and a half weeks of work out of you for nothing. I didn't expect anything different, really. People come to these threads for advice on these matters, but always seem to assume that we're just cynical goons or something and that we haven't seen companies and bosses pull this kind of poo poo over and over. I'll keep giving the same kind of advice, on the off chance that someone will believe me and take it. But it's pretty frustrating seeing CorvetteFisher Circa 2012 in these threads again.
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Had a long rant typed out, but all I am going to say is this. Stop working until you see at least 3 months of pay with the rest coming at the end of the month. He need you way more than you need him.
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I´ve already decided to walk out there as soon as I get a job regardless if he pays. i´m 21 years old. I work on my laptop and I take that home with me everyday. I have most of my work on there. The laptop is mine. Edit: My next work day is friday so I will try to get something out of him then.
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Sefal posted:Edit:
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Sefal posted:I´ve already decided to walk out there as soon as I get a job regardless if he pays. You're the same age as me and you've accomplished so much more than I have in IT, you've set up an entire office by yourself. Lawyer up, look for jobs NOW because you're certainly qualified, and stop trying to whine to him about getting paid. Not being paid for an entire year is loving criminal and it's insane that he's still getting away with it.
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How are you 21 and okay with that? Get a free lawyer consultation, explain the exact situation and he will tell you your next steps to take in order to get the money you're owed. You'll have to go to court, your employer is taking advantage of you. never ceases to amaze me
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Misogynist posted:Lawyer up, kid. I'd get your state's labor board involved. It's beyond "trying to get something out of him." Seriously. First, call the bar and you have a good chance of getting a 30 minute free consultation with someone who actually knows what they're talking about. File a complaint with the wage division of your state today. It's going to take them like 2 months anyways before they even start acting so you want to get the ball rolling now. If you've already set up an appointment with a lawyer in the next week or so you can hold off on this step until you've received expert legal advice. Let me know if you have difficulty accomplishing either task.
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Misogynist posted:Lawyer up, kid. I'd get your state's labor board involved. It's beyond "trying to get something out of him."
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Whilst I think of it, if you don't already have WRITTEN confirmation that he's delaying paying you try to get it from him via email now. If he's not too smart he'll confirm that he can only pay you next month. It'll help if the matter goes to court. Make sure you get the email either sent to a personal address or make an offsite backup of the email if it's on the company's system.
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Guys thank you for your advice. It helped clearing my mind. My boss doesn't use e-mail, so that's impossible. I also don't have a contract. When he pays me he has me sign a piece of paper, so I don't know if I have anything to stand on. Friday will be my final talk with him. If he doesn't do anything i quit on the spot. I'm insane for letting this go on besides the 1st month.
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Sefal posted:Guys thank you for your advice. It helped clearing my mind. Make a record of all the work you've performed for the company over the past 11 months. Create supporting documentation in the form of server logs, email chains with co-workers, and so forth. Figure out who the coworkers are that you (or the labor board, depending on how this happens) can subpoena to appear in court and testify that you were supposed to be doing paid work for this guy -- they've probably had similar shenanigans in the past that they can attest to under oath. e: Agreed with Total Meatlove. No ultimatums, nothing else happens until you speak to a lawyer or an actual person from the state labor bureau. Vulture Culture fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Feb 10, 2014 |
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Talk to a lawyer, find out what evidence you'd need, collect that evidence. Don't tell anybody, don't just mention it to somebody, just go and get an appointment, ask 'what would make for a watertight case', get it and then leave.
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Sefal posted:Guys thank you for your advice. It helped clearing my mind. Are, are you sure he even thinks you've been hired on full time and not still just an intern? What kind of company is this that he doesn't use email?!
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Just from a warm fuzzy feeling approach to things, you'd have been better doing exactly what you've been doing already for free for a company to help them grow or make money for their directors, but doing it for a charity or some other voluntary body that has a mission other than "making money out of people working for free".
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Man this almost deserves its own thread.
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Misogynist posted:Is he paying you off the books? Yeah, this is a really easy question to answer. Do you have a W4 with him? Are you going to receive a W2 for what he was supposed to pay you? How about a W9? If not, you aren't in a legal job situation anyways and the best thing to do at this point is completely rat him out to the IRS and labor board and use whatever documentation you have to prove that he was paying you off the books. You may not have much luck getting any back pay you are owed though since you don't seem to have any formal agreement in writing.
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bull3964 posted:Yeah, this is a really easy question to answer. Do you have a W4 with him? Are you going to receive a W2 for what he was supposed to pay you? How about a W9? He's in Europe.
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Sefal posted:I also don't have a contract. When he pays me he has me sign a piece of paper, so I don't know if I have anything to stand on. I take it all back, you should gently caress this guy over.
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psydude posted:Man this almost deserves its own thread. This is CorvetteFisher and blackswordca combined, and then squared 
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I'm not sure about a W4 (I'm not from the US) but I did give them my ID and filled their form. He isn't paying me off the books. the money that was payed to me is in the system. the accountant put me in their books. I saw that. I am not a full time employee. I come in 2 days, but I am on call 24/7
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Sefal posted:I am on call 24/7 Not anymore you aren't
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Sefal posted:
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A digest of this specific discussion belongs in the "poo poo that pisses you off" thread, because it pisses me right the gently caress off.
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This situation is currently on the knife edge where if it falls one way the poster lawyers up and gets what's owed to them, and on the other side is another episode of goon in a well.
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Why would you work for free? Most people don't even want to work, let alone work for free. This blows my mind.
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Sefal posted:I come in 2 days, but I am on call 24/7 I believe we are being trolled.
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I loving wish I was trolling. I have 3 days of school and 2 days of work Either way I think Friday will be my last day.
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Sefal posted:I loving wish I was trolling. I hope for your sake you've turned your phone off and are not answering any work calls.
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Sefal posted:I loving wish I was trolling. So if there's an issue in schooltime, what does he expect you to do? Are you sure there is nothing from when you started that shows he brought you in as an employee?
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He told my intern teacher (don't know what its called in english) the man who helps me with my intern ship from school. That I am working here. That I did so well that they wanted to keep me. I don't know if that's something that's proof.
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Sefal posted:He told my intern teacher (don't know what its called in english) the man who helps me with my intern ship from school.
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Sefal posted:The only thing that sucks is that I haven't gotten paid to the point where I went to my boss and said I have a bill to pay, can you pay it for me (he did) but why do I have to ask him. This company is riding you; get out there are many many more opportunities out there that will take you much farther. Also they are doing some pretty sketchy poo poo if you are asking you to pay for poo poo like that. It's also highly illegal if you aren't getting paid. This startup sounds like someone has no idea what they are doing and didn't account for something. three posted:Why would you work for free? Most people don't even want to work, let alone work for free. This blows my mind. I worked and do a lot of freebies still working with the teaching and lab designs + implementations I do; however I get free certs and a large backing to my resume so I call it even. Inspector_666 posted:This is CorvetteFisher and blackswordca combined, and then squared This tops anything in my ballpark. Side note for some reason after getting this one job everyone in their loving nephew wants to get me in their doors and talk to me about working a VMware gig. I guess the secret is get offered one place then everyone else jumps onboard like "oh yeah we want you too!". Also side not it appears my last job is still looking for my replacement. One recruiter I talked to who is looking for that position told me it's one of the hardest positions he's tried to get filled. Dilbert As FUCK fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Feb 10, 2014 |
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:Side note for some reason after getting this one job everyone in their loving nephew wants to get me in their doors and talk to me about working a VMware gig.
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Stop doing this, we get it, you're doing well. Sorry just after a month and a half of dead air in the job sector it's like ironic comedy or something.
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:Sorry just after a month and a half of dead air in the job sector it's like ironic comedy or something. Keep posting, your life makes me think there is hope in this world.
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Isn't your interview today? I know you said everyone said you're basically in, but you're kind of jumping the gun Edit: And yea recruiter offers come in waves, and usually its because recruiters in your area get listings at the same time and you'll get repetitive emails for the same thing just worded differently. Sepist fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Feb 10, 2014 |
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Stop doing this, we get it, you're doing well.
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