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VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

ExecuDork posted:


I'm guessing the water pump my mechanic put in less than a month ago has poo poo the bed, considering the temperature gauge shot up so quickly yet the vents were not at all blowing warm air. Either that, or it's air-locked again. :sigh:
Insult to injury: the tow truck driver complained that my car felt like he was towing "a heap of junk" because apparently he could feel its 3 000lbs in his 18 000lb wrecker. :argh: You didn't pick up the "light end" of my 50/50 car, jerk!
actually you're not a jerk, tow-truck-driver, you let myself and my GF into your nice warm cab while you were picking up my worrisome ride and it was loving cold out there near the river tonight, thanks for coming to get us!

I had a $412.50 tow from a snow rally to the nearest podunk city and right as we started going the 20 year old truck driver was like "Well it's a long ride but DON'T WORRY I got this covered" and slipped in a disc of a Rodney Carrington loving concert and I had to listen to his screeching laughter the whole 2.5 hours in.

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ThirstyBuck
Nov 6, 2010

I just put on a new set of muffler hangers on my e36 three months ago. They are now broken. Again. Anybody considered a more sturdy solution? I'm looking at hacking these combined with a rubber interface of sorts between the metal mount and the car. But OMG what about the NVH? My car rattles a lot already so I'm more concerned with the exhaust not hanging down.




Also, E30 touring? Yes please.

ColdPie
Jun 9, 2006

Coat hangers and duct tape: the Rick Perry special.

Lord Ludikrous
Jun 7, 2008

Enjoy your tea...

As MINIs are allowed to come play with the big BMW boys, I thought I'd share this beauty I bought today. Pics were taken just under a week ago after I took it for a test drive.





62K miles 2007 Mini Cooper S (second generation), complete with full leather interior, sports suspension, 17" alloys and the Chilli pack, along with some more extras. Going to take some getting used to the power of the engine, but I think I'm going to be having a lot of fun. :)

Lots to take in reading the owners manual though, this is going to take me ages.

Somewhat Heroic
Oct 11, 2007

(Insert Mad Max related text)



That is a very classy interior. I considered buying a cheap old mini as some sort of DD to make my 15 mile round trip commute seem fun but found a good E36 M3 that I enjoy a lot.

Das Volk
Nov 19, 2002

by Cyrano4747
Every drat one of those things I saw in the UK was a Diesel, so good on you for having the petrol version.

Cobalt60
Jun 1, 2006

Das Volk posted:

The M6 GC is the only really nice looking thing BMW builds right now :confused: Were you talking about the "GT" models?


I'd assume he meant anything other than the M6 GC, which is a great addition to the 6 family, and tremendously well reviewed (right?). Budget aside, if I were buying a new BMW model, that might be my first choice.

Stardotstar
Jun 2, 2012

ThirstyBuck posted:

I just put on a new set of muffler hangers on my e36 three months ago. They are now broken. Again. Anybody considered a more sturdy solution? I'm looking at hacking these combined with a rubber interface of sorts between the metal mount and the car. But OMG what about the NVH? My car rattles a lot already so I'm more concerned with the exhaust not hanging down.




Also, E30 touring? Yes please.

You, sir, seem to have bad motor mounts, a ridiculously low car, or bought the cheapest-of-cheap hangars (and even so). How the hell else could you blow through muffler hangers in three months? That metal hanger you posted would be permanent, especially combined with some "muffler tape" to isolate the metal-on-metal vibrations. Good luck!

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

Cobalt60 posted:

I'd assume he meant anything other than the M6 GC, which is a great addition to the 6 family, and tremendously well reviewed (right?). Budget aside, if I were buying a new BMW model, that might be my first choice.

Cobalt60 posted:

I'd assume he meant anything other than the M6 GC, which is a great addition to the 6 family, and tremendously well reviewed (right?). Budget aside, if I were buying a new BMW model, that might be my first choice.

BMW already makes a 4 door 6er. It's called the 5 series. All these fugly new 'gran coupe' things can eat a value sized box of dicks.

(I'm counting down until BMW announces 4-door gran coupe versions of the new 2 and 4 series, then we'll have finally achieved peak redundancy)

Guinness
Sep 15, 2004

Keyser S0ze posted:

The 4 GC actually has a cleverly hidden hatchback that opens up a shitload of storage space without looking like the 3GT or a droopy assed Audi A7 - so that is kinda cool.



All of a sudden I really want a 435i GC.

ynotony
Apr 14, 2003

Yea...this is pretty much the smartest thing I have ever done.

HotCanadianChick posted:

BMW already makes a 4 door 6er. It's called the 5 series. All these fugly new 'gran coupe' things can eat a value sized box of dicks.

(I'm counting down until BMW announces 4-door gran coupe versions of the new 2 and 4 series, then we'll have finally achieved peak redundancy)

I'd prefer the 6GC over the 5, and the 4GC over the 3.

There are people who feel the opposite.

Therefore they aren't redundant. The 4GC isn't even that much more expensive than the 3.

Timmy Cruise
Jun 9, 2007

HotCanadianChick posted:

BMW already makes a 4 door 6er. It's called the 5 series. All these fugly new 'gran coupe' things can eat a value sized box of dicks.

(I'm counting down until BMW announces 4-door gran coupe versions of the new 2 and 4 series, then we'll have finally achieved peak redundancy)

There is a 4 series Gran Coupe on the BMW.ca configurator... That just leaves the 2.

Pretty Boy Floyd
Mar 21, 2006
If you'll gather round me children...
I saw and test drove an 03 e46 wagon today. Thought it drove well and was pretty well decked out. Premium package, sport package, heated seats, nav, etc. I got a copy of the dealer's inspection and I'm going to take it to a local BMW specialist for a PPI. Some concerns from the dealer's inspection:

>It had a thermostat, water pump and heater hose leak (uh oh) – they replaced the water pump, heater hose, thermostat, thermostat assembly, serpentine belt and, of course, coolant.
>It had the check engine light on – code P0174 – which apparently indicates a lean condition. I didn't notice it when I was driving the car, but will check when I take it for the PPI.
>The engine oil was dirty, they changed it, but makes me wonder why it was dirty.
>Dirty air filters, eh
>Cracked alternator belt
>Inspection said the transmission was shifting hard, but I didn't notice it. Will try some double clutching and then regular downshifts to get an idea.
>AC blower only blew on high – they replaced the blower motor resister

Buying from a dealer sucks, but this one has <100k miles where as the owner cars would be 150k+, more like 180k for the one that looks best in my area. And the price is decent, provided the potentially lurking problems above aren't so bad.

I suspect the worst case is the cooling system was loving the engine as it slowly died. Maybe that was happening. Bad air filters, dirty oil and a cracked alternator belt suggest inconsistent maintenance at best. What do you folks think?

voltron
Nov 26, 2000
Zapf gave me this account because he's a friend of the Indian-American people.
What's the point of a PPI if a dealer's inspection already turned up a shitload of problems? If you want it that bad, save the $PPI and put it towards that pricey laundry list you've identified.

I know wagons with a stick are a goon's wet dream, but come on.

Viper_3000
Apr 26, 2005

I could give a shit about all that.

Pretty Boy Floyd posted:

Some concerns from the dealer's inspection:

poo poo tons of things wrong

No. Just no.

This car is a money sink. This is someone who owned a BMW, didn't want to do any of the expensive maintenance, and is dumping it for something cheaper.

You're going to wind up dropping 3-4k into this car purely on non-fun boring maintenance parts to get it back where it needs to be.


I would gladly pay more for an e46 that had more miles and one obsessive owner with a stack of maintenance receipts than one at a dealer with codes they aren't even bothering to fix.

(They aren't fixing them because it's a loving pain in the rear end to track down that code. Best case? Cracked vacuum line to the SAP. Worst case? CCV is failing/cracked to poo poo along with every other piece of plastic hose under the hood.)

Pretty Boy Floyd
Mar 21, 2006
If you'll gather round me children...
Awesome, thanks folks

Ultimate Mango
Jan 18, 2005

ynotony posted:

I'd prefer the 6GC over the 5, and the 4GC over the 3.

There are people who feel the opposite.

Therefore they aren't redundant. The 4GC isn't even that much more expensive than the 3.

I think the 6GC is beautiful, but having gone on multiple test drives of both I think the 5 sedan is better. I really, really, really wanted to like the 6GC, too. I suppose if money were no object and my family wasn't so tall the M6 GC would be a must have, but I am just too big for the 'coupe' and strangely the seats in the GC are not nearly as nice/comfortable as the sedan.

The 4GC should erode five series sales. If they did an M4GC now that would be tempting indeed.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

Ultimate Mango posted:

The 4GC should erode five series sales. If they did an M4GC now that would be tempting indeed.

The 3 series GT and 4 GC are both going to eat 5 series sales and are incredibly dumb ideas. Cannibalize a more expensive car with better margins and at the same time make your lineup as confusing as possible for no kind of reason? Sure, why not. The whole point of the 4 and 2 series were to cleanly separate their 2 door and 4 door models into separate models/chassis codes similar to how the 6 series was a separate 2 door based off the 5er, but they're not even giving the 4 time to establish a distinct identity within the lineup from the 3 before they go in muddying the waters.

This from the same company who passed on making 4 door M3s for the E46/E90 generation because making a new set of sheet metal for a non-coupe M3 would have been too expensive (despite over 40% of E36 M3s sold in NA being 4 doors) and also keeps withholding 5 series tourings from the US?

I'm convinced someone on the executive board is going senile.

rscott
Dec 10, 2009
Got the TV on this morning and there's a Christian Dior commercial with an E30 convertible (with bottlecaps)in it lol

SuperDucky
May 13, 2007

by exmarx

Pretty Boy Floyd posted:

I saw and test drove an 03 e46 wagon today. Thought it drove well and was pretty well decked out. Premium package, sport package, heated seats, nav, etc. I got a copy of the dealer's inspection and I'm going to take it to a local BMW specialist for a PPI. Some concerns from the dealer's inspection:

What do you folks think?

They replaced everything in the cooling system except the most failure prone part, the expansion tank. As others have said, I know 5speed tourings are rare birds but don't sour yourself on the experience by getting one that's going to put you through hell. That lean condition is quite worrisome as well.

Listen to viper3k: I'd take a well owner maintained 200k mile e3/46 over a not as maintained low mileage example any day, and I've bought/owned 5 of these cars. Remember, some of the 46s are going to be getting on 15 years old come middle of this year.

SuperDucky fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Feb 11, 2014

Keyser_Soze
May 5, 2009

Pillbug

Ultimate Mango posted:

I think the 6GC is beautiful, but having gone on multiple test drives of both I think the 5 sedan is better. I really, really, really wanted to like the 6GC, too. I suppose if money were no object and my family wasn't so tall the M6 GC would be a must have, but I am just too big for the 'coupe' and strangely the seats in the GC are not nearly as nice/comfortable as the sedan.

The 4GC should erode five series sales. If they did an M4GC now that would be tempting indeed.

You can order a 4GC right now for May delivery from Pacific BMW in Glendale, CA.

The 5 series multi-contour seats are exceptional and it is those types of interior touches that will be lacking on the 4GC and it will really have no upgrades over the standard 4 in all likeliness.

At 183 inches vs 193 for the 5 it is much more reasonably sized for most of us. It's the one problem with my current 5 that I can't really get past, I just want it a bit shorter....say something around 188 (Camry length.)

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=941384

Guinness
Sep 15, 2004



drat. Side by side really shows how much that hood line messes up the front end.

rscott
Dec 10, 2009
All the best BMWs have the hood tilting forward anyways

Ultimate Mango
Jan 18, 2005

Is that for real? Damned pedestrian impact requirements. Still the 4 is very interesting...

Anyone here know how a dealer can make money selling cars for significantly below invoice? I am working a deal for a new car and some places are $500 over invoice (what I'd expect), but other are going hundreds (1200 even) under invoice. I don't want to take what looks like an impossible deal only to find out there's a catch later...

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

Ultimate Mango posted:

Anyone here know how a dealer can make money selling cars for significantly below invoice? I am working a deal for a new car and some places are $500 over invoice (what I'd expect), but other are going hundreds (1200 even) under invoice. I don't want to take what looks like an impossible deal only to find out there's a catch later...

Since dealers are required to disclose the invoice price (i.e. what they bought it from the manufacturer for), what happens is the manufacturers charge more up front in the invoice price, but then each quarter the manufacturer gives a bonus payment to each dealer for each car they sell equal to the amount they padded the invoice price by. The amount varies from brand to brand, for instance iirc Toyota rebates the dealer $500 for each car they sell, quarterly, so even if the dealer sells the car $300 under invoice, they still end up making $200 in profit on that sale. There's other ways dealers can pad the profit on a below invoice sale: lowballing your tradein (which they can then sell for a substantial markup), getting you to buy garbage like extended 3rd party extended warranties, aftermarket 'rustproofing'; using in-house finance with inflated interest (of which they get a cut), etc.

Militant Lesbian fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Feb 12, 2014

GentlemanofLeisure
Aug 27, 2008
A lot of money can be made in the finance side of a deal, too.

Somewhat Heroic
Oct 11, 2007

(Insert Mad Max related text)



Pretty sure a fair amount of money is made through leasing a vehicle (which mathematically is the worst way to buy a car from a consumer prospective).
In other news while getting after it to not be stuck behind the coal rolling bro-truck my 1-2 and 2-3 shift had a fair amount of clutch slipping so here's to the time bomb that is my clutch and to finding out what local shop pricing will be to do it as that is more ambitious than I think I am ready to do. Original clutch, 165k miles and I am either the 4th or 5th owner so not too bad!

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Ultimate Mango posted:

Is that for real? Damned pedestrian impact requirements. Still the 4 is very interesting...

Is the "brow" due to the impact requirements?

Laura-4-Lyfe
Oct 14, 2005

A quick e39 cooling question. The 2002 525 I just bought had the cooling system components replaced before I purchased the car. Today is the coldest it has been since I have owned the car, -1f. On my 25 minute drive to work the temperature gauge never got higher then the first line past the blue part, about the 10 o-clock position. Is this normal? Ever other BMW with a six I have owned has gone to the 12 o-clock position on the gauge by the time I get to work.

Every other time I have driven the car so far the needle has gone to the middle of the gauge. I am worried there is an issue with the new thermostat or the mechanic who installed the new cooling system messed something up. Am I worrying for no reason?

Guinness
Sep 15, 2004

Tab8715 posted:

Is the "brow" due to the impact requirements?

From what I've read (just hearsay, so take it with a grain of salt), it stems primarily from pedestrian impact rules in the EU. But I've also read that it will make the inevitable facelift cheaper since BMW won't have to retool sheet metal production to update the front fascia. Also insurance companies like it because it lowers the repair cost of front end collisions. With something like an E46 even a minor front end collision has a high likelihood of loving up the hood and can easily push the repair bill up by several thousand dollars.

MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

Laura-4-Lyfe posted:

A quick e39 cooling question. The 2002 525 I just bought had the cooling system components replaced before I purchased the car. Today is the coldest it has been since I have owned the car, -1f. On my 25 minute drive to work the temperature gauge never got higher then the first line past the blue part, about the 10 o-clock position. Is this normal? Ever other BMW with a six I have owned has gone to the 12 o-clock position on the gauge by the time I get to work.

Every other time I have driven the car so far the needle has gone to the middle of the gauge. I am worried there is an issue with the new thermostat or the mechanic who installed the new cooling system messed something up. Am I worrying for no reason?

Nope that's not normal; your temperature gauge should pretty much be at the 12 o'clock position when driving, no matter the outside temperature - even on the coldest days I've experienced this year (which was a lot colder than -1F), the gauge eventually reached the normal position.

voltron
Nov 26, 2000
Zapf gave me this account because he's a friend of the Indian-American people.

Laura-4-Lyfe posted:

A quick e39 cooling question. The 2002 525 I just bought had the cooling system components replaced before I purchased the car. Today is the coldest it has been since I have owned the car, -1f. On my 25 minute drive to work the temperature gauge never got higher then the first line past the blue part, about the 10 o-clock position. Is this normal? Ever other BMW with a six I have owned has gone to the 12 o-clock position on the gauge by the time I get to work.

Every other time I have driven the car so far the needle has gone to the middle of the gauge. I am worried there is an issue with the new thermostat or the mechanic who installed the new cooling system messed something up. Am I worrying for no reason?

Nope, it's not normal. Turn your cabin heaters on and set it to recirculate the air, that might help. But you'll still have to get to a mechanic.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

We might be fucked, sir.
Fallen Rib
1996 328is with about 300 000 km.
Seems the most likely reason for my repeated god drat cooling system troubles is repeated airlocking caused by headgasket issues. :sigh:

I just talked to my mechanic, he said a pressure test on the system was good, no leaks aside from a trivial drip at the thermostat housing, and no CO in the coolant (I gather that's an indicator of headgasket issues as exhaust gas pushes into the cooling system? Is that right?). He's going to get back to me tomorrow morning with an estimate for the cost of a headgasket replacement - he said it will be "pretty pricy".

Does anybody have any ideas if
a) a headgasket replacement will likely solve my repeated airlocking issue?
b) how much it might cost?
c) if an unfixed and intermittent and minor vaccuum leak issue could contribute in any way to big-rear end bubbles loving up my cooling system?

After I got off the phone with him, I browsed the local Kijiji offerings for a bit, the only remotely interesting replacement should I decide my current ride is unfixable is a 2005 325XI Touring for about $11K (that would require a loan from my bank, which I'll just assume for now is totally reasonable and not an adventure in broomsticks and buttholes) and a couple of automatic 5-series.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
gently caress it, buy a junkyard m52 for 300 bucks and drop it in.

BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm

BraveUlysses posted:

gently caress it, buy a junkyard m52 for 300 bucks and drop it in.

Why are M52 swapped E30s so expensive if you can get one for $300? :v:

Crustashio
Jul 27, 2000

ruh roh
Because e30 tax and people think that labour invested = sale price. I sold mine with every accessory for 350, I tried for months to sell it for more. Aside from some stuff I never should have stripped (dashboard, non-ECU related computers) it took the longest to sell.

I definitely wouldn't even bother with a headgasket job on any m5x motor. It will cost you less to get a junkyard motor and swap it, even if you pay someone.

ExecuDork posted:

After I got off the phone with him, I browsed the local Kijiji offerings for a bit, the only remotely interesting replacement should I decide my current ride is unfixable is a 2005 325XI Touring for about $11K (that would require a loan from my bank, which I'll just assume for now is totally reasonable and not an adventure in broomsticks and buttholes) and a couple of automatic 5-series.

Way too much for an AWD touring, especially if automatic. If I remember right, you're in SK right? Is there a reason everyone there doesn't just buy things from BC? Can't be more than a weekend trip if you fly out/drive back, and you are going to find far better cars there. Rustfree cars are absolutely worth the extra initial costs to get them.

Crustashio fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Feb 13, 2014

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

BlackMK4 posted:

Why are M52 swapped E30s so expensive if you can get one for $300? :v:

Well, to be honest it's quite an improvement over the m20 but the bare cheapest you can do the swap is roughly 1500-2k but that's for a m50 nonvanos.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

We might be fucked, sir.
Fallen Rib

Crustashio posted:

I definitely wouldn't even bother with a headgasket job on any m5x motor. It will cost you less to get a junkyard motor and swap it, even if you pay someone.

Way too much for an AWD touring, especially if automatic. If I remember right, you're in SK right? Is there a reason everyone there doesn't just buy things from BC? Can't be more than a weekend trip if you fly out/drive back, and you are going to find far better cars there. Rustfree cars are absolutely worth the extra initial costs to get them.
Junkyards around here are noticeably sparse on anything BMW, so it's pretty unlikely I'd find anything halfway acceptable. Besides, the body is very rough and the suspension is overdue for some serious attention, so I'd be pretty hesitant to go about an engine swap. Also I know nothing about swapping an engine and I'd probably get taken to the cleaners getting somebody to do it for me. Also, reasons blah blah blah.

Yup, I'm in Saskatchewan, and the selection and price is better if you go west - Alberta has 4x our population and about 1.5x our average per-person wealth (Oilsands + minor tech clusters in Calgary & Edmonton), and B.C. of course is bigger and the lower mainland less rust-prone. I'd bet lots of people do go to B.C. or Alberta to buy a second-hand car, especially something a little harder to find than the ever-popular domestic full-size pickups.

That e46 touring AWD is manual, which makes it more desirable to me but I dunno about prices.

Cobalt60
Jun 1, 2006

rscott posted:

All the best BMWs have the hood tilting forward anyways

well... yeah

:getin:


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Guinness
Sep 15, 2004

So this just got delivered to a guy in my condo:





Officially the coolest car in the garage.

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