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Who Killed WCW?
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Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Pinstripe Hourglass posted:

Scott Steiner, in the later years of WCW, had effective creative control because everyone backstage was terrified of him. Rightly.

Dude just brought a Tiger on a leash to a random taping. Didn't even tell anyone he was doing it.

This is what I believe and I refuse to listen to anybody correcting me.

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haljordan
Oct 22, 2004

the corpse of god is love.






Gonzo McFee posted:

Dude just brought a Tiger on a leash to a random taping. Didn't even tell anyone he was doing it.

This is what I believe and I refuse to listen to anybody correcting me.

Look, I'm not gonna mess with Scott Steiner to begin with. But Scott Steiner AND a tiger? Fuckin' have at it man, I'm not gonna argue with you.

cunny mcalister
Mar 21, 2004
Somehow less than meets the eye.

ayn rand hand job posted:

Hr was an producer and PR guy. The only writing thing I can remember that he gets some credit for is coming up with the LWO.

And we aren't trying to give him every wrestling writing job because?

Red
Apr 15, 2003

Yeah, great at getting us into Wawa.

cunny mcalister posted:

And we aren't trying to give him every wrestling writing job because?

Jason Hervey Resume
- 1985 - Bratty kid in "Back to the Future"
- 1985 - Bratty kid in "Pee Wee's Big Adventure"
- 1988-1993 - Older bratty brother in "The Wonder Years"
- 1994(?)-2001 - Backstage/Creative role in WCW (ceased business in 2001)
- 2001-Current - ???

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

Red posted:

Jason Hervey Resume
- 1985 - Bratty kid in "Back to the Future"
- 1985 - Bratty kid in "Pee Wee's Big Adventure"
- 1988-1993 - Older bratty brother in "The Wonder Years"
- 1994(?)-2001 - Backstage/Creative role in WCW (ceased business in 2001)
- 2001-Current - ???

Jason Hervey is a close friend of Eric Bischoff's and they run a production company that made a bunch of awful reality shows and Impact

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

oatgan posted:

Jason Hervey is a close friend of Eric Bischoff's and they run a production company that made a bunch of awful reality shows and Impact
So, ??? was right.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
Sucking up to Hervey in the early 90s ended up being a better career move for Bischoff than the nWo.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

Red posted:

Jason Hervey Resume
- 1985 - Bratty kid in "Back to the Future"
- 1985 - Bratty kid in "Pee Wee's Big Adventure"
- 1988-1993 - Older bratty brother in "The Wonder Years"
- 1994(?)-2001 - Backstage/Creative role in WCW (ceased business in 2001)
- 2001-Current - ???

He played a talking dog from 2001-2002.

He also produced "Scott Baio is 45 and single".

haljordan
Oct 22, 2004

the corpse of god is love.






ayn rand hand job posted:

He played a talking dog from 2001-2002.

He also produced "Scott Baio is 45 and single".

Did that show at least win the Emmy for "Most Depressing Title"?

Red
Apr 15, 2003

Yeah, great at getting us into Wawa.

ayn rand hand job posted:

He played a talking dog from 2001-2002.

He also produced "Scott Baio is 45 and single".

He and Fred Savage played (brothers) Hawk and Dove on Justice League, which is pretty awesome, too.

But if his best wrestling-related idea was aping the already-tired nWo for a Latino faction, then I don't think the industry missed out.

nasboat
Sep 9, 2004

how are we leaving out the part where Jason Hervey was a guest judge for Flair/Sting at the first COTC?

also a judge: Eddie Haskell from Leave It To Beaver

rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe

Red posted:

He and Fred Savage played (brothers) Hawk and Dove on Justice League, which is pretty awesome, too.

But if his best wrestling-related idea was aping the already-tired nWo for a Latino faction, then I don't think the industry missed out.

The lWo was awesome and you should probably shut the gently caress up. :colbert:

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

rotinaj posted:

The lWo was awesome and you should probably shut the gently caress up. :colbert:
I got to see El Dandy be courted like he mattered. It was glorious.

cunny mcalister
Mar 21, 2004
Somehow less than meets the eye.

rotinaj posted:

The lWo was awesome and you should probably shut the gently caress up. :colbert:

It put Super Calo and his syck mask on Nitro more often, therefore is the best thing to come out of the nWo concept.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

Red posted:

Jason Hervey Resume
- 1985 - Bratty kid in "Back to the Future"
- 1985 - Bratty kid in "Pee Wee's Big Adventure"
- 1988-1993 - Older bratty brother in "The Wonder Years"
- 1994(?)-2001 - Backstage/Creative role in WCW (ceased business in 2001)
- 2001-Current - ???

You forgot:
- 1985 - Bratty kid in "Police Academy 2"
- 1987 - Bratty kid in "Monster Squad"

Cornwind Evil
Dec 14, 2004


The undisputed world champion of wrestling effortposting

El Gallinero Gros posted:

In the WWE, I think Vince would like to avoid the issue he had with Bret, so I think now if people ask for creative control, he probably has it down as "input".

Ironically, the one time Bret tried to USE that creative control, Vince hosed him over anyway.

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

lWo gave us lots more La Parka matches, and therefore I will fight anyone who implies it was anything less than amazing :colbert:

Red
Apr 15, 2003

Yeah, great at getting us into Wawa.

VogeGandire posted:

lWo gave us lots more La Parka matches, and therefore I will fight anyone who implies it was anything less than amazing :colbert:

The talent was great, but the concept wasn't a new/creative one.

haljordan
Oct 22, 2004

the corpse of god is love.






gently caress that, the lWo gave us the greatest promo ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXa8VsyJVM


"Hey La Parka get me another beer, ese!"

Shima Honnou
Dec 1, 2010

The Once And Future King Of Dicetroit

College Slice

Red posted:

the concept wasn't a new/creative one.

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Occupy Japan
Feb 4, 2005

I've spent so much time clopping to fillies that my joints have locked up!
I just watched KC's Guest Booker with Vince Russo and I have to say, as bad as Russo is at booking wrestling and talking about wrestling and having opinions about wrestling and writing wrestling and wrestling in wrestling, his idea for the Invasion is actually a zillion times better than how that trainwreck actually played out (though, to be fair, not even doing an Invasion angle and just briefly acknowledging the WCW purchase and then dumping WCW's talent into the midcard would have been a zillion times better). Surprisingly, it's not a whole lot more "that's a shoot, brother" than Cornette's Guest Booker covering the same angle, despite what you'd expect from Russo.

Then again, I'm sure the other stuff he'd have booked under the Invasion would have been :russo: as hell.

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

Occupy Japan posted:

I just watched KC's Guest Booker with Vince Russo and I have to say, as bad as Russo is at booking wrestling and talking about wrestling and having opinions about wrestling and writing wrestling and wrestling in wrestling, his idea for the Invasion is actually a zillion times better than how that trainwreck actually played out (though, to be fair, not even doing an Invasion angle and just briefly acknowledging the WCW purchase and then dumping WCW's talent into the midcard would have been a zillion times better). Surprisingly, it's not a whole lot more "that's a shoot, brother" than Cornette's Guest Booker covering the same angle, despite what you'd expect from Russo.

Then again, I'm sure the other stuff he'd have booked under the Invasion would have been :russo: as hell.

DDP vs. Undertaker in a Sara on a Pole match.

Occupy Japan
Feb 4, 2005

I've spent so much time clopping to fillies that my joints have locked up!

RZApublican posted:

DDP vs. Undertaker in a Sara on a Pole match.

As long as it gives us DDP-holding-a-picture-of-Booker-T-holding-a-picture-of-Scott-Hall.jpg, I am on board with this idea 100%.

Rad R.
Oct 10, 2012

haljordan posted:

gently caress that, the lWo gave us the greatest promo ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXa8VsyJVM


"Hey La Parka get me another beer, ese!"

That is awesome, don't know if I've ever seen this promo before. I loved the lWo, it was Eddie's stable, there's traces of his WWE gimmick here. Also, LA PARKA IS WEARING WHITE JEANS.

laz0rbeak
Oct 9, 2011

Occupy Japan posted:

I just watched KC's Guest Booker with Vince Russo and I have to say, as bad as Russo is at booking wrestling and talking about wrestling and having opinions about wrestling and writing wrestling and wrestling in wrestling, his idea for the Invasion is actually a zillion times better than how that trainwreck actually played out (though, to be fair, not even doing an Invasion angle and just briefly acknowledging the WCW purchase and then dumping WCW's talent into the midcard would have been a zillion times better). Surprisingly, it's not a whole lot more "that's a shoot, brother" than Cornette's Guest Booker covering the same angle, despite what you'd expect from Russo.

Then again, I'm sure the other stuff he'd have booked under the Invasion would have been :russo: as hell.

Wow, even better than a Terry Funk/Undertaker Wrestlemania match in 2002?!?

haljordan
Oct 22, 2004

the corpse of god is love.






Rad R. posted:

That is awesome, don't know if I've ever seen this promo before. I loved the lWo, it was Eddie's stable, there's traces of his WWE gimmick here. Also, LA PARKA IS WEARING WHITE JEANS.

I saw it the night it aired and I still remember it so loving clearly fifteen years later.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
Nitro is on in less than an hour, it will be an interesting night:

http://www.psp-tv.com/r/BadMoviesWorseWrestling

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
That's the wall up there brother.

"You couldn't even beat Elizabeth" - Macho Man Randy Savage

MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Feb 12, 2014

Occupy Japan
Feb 4, 2005

I've spent so much time clopping to fillies that my joints have locked up!

MassRafTer posted:

"You couldn't even beat Elizabeth" - Macho Man Randy Savage

Yikes. And wasn't this around the time he slapped Torrie for corpsing?

Welp, at least Liz doesn't have anything to worry about for a few more years! :v:


haljordan
Oct 22, 2004

the corpse of god is love.






I'm still trying to wrap my head around that Piper segment from last night's Nitro :wtf:

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

haljordan posted:

I'm still trying to wrap my head around that Piper segment from last night's Nitro :wtf:

Just wait until next week.

haljordan
Oct 22, 2004

the corpse of god is love.






ayn rand hand job posted:

Just wait until next week.

Oh man, you mean there's something even better than Piper fighting six random jobbers (half of which were clad in all denim)?

Also still laughing @ MassRafTer's landlord asking him how often he plays the "ZZ Top video with the VHS hiss."

haljordan fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Feb 12, 2014

Red
Apr 15, 2003

Yeah, great at getting us into Wawa.

Shima Honnou posted:

wrestling.txt

Given enough time, WCW creative would've come up with:

- cWo - The Cruiserweight World Order
- mWo - The Masked World Order
- pWo - The (Face)Paint World Order
- jWo - The Japanese World Order
- eWo - The Extreme World Order
- iWo - The Indy World Order
- hWo - The Horsemen World Order

:haw: : "What can we call the world order for tall guys?"
:) : "Hoss world order?"
:haw: : "Tall guy world order?"
:) : "Main Eventer world order?"

ChampRamp
Mar 29, 2010

:siren: SAVE_US.CHR :siren:

Red posted:

Given enough time, WCW creative would've come up with:

- cWo - The Cruiserweight World Order
- mWo - The Masked World Order
- pWo - The (Face)Paint World Order
- jWo - The Japanese World Order
- eWo - The Extreme World Order
- iWo - The Indy World Order
- hWo - The Horsemen World Order

:haw: : "What can we call the world order for tall guys?"
:) : "Hoss world order?"
:haw: : "Tall guy world order?"
:) : "Main Eventer world order?"

NWO Japan was real!

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

Red posted:

Given enough time, WCW creative would've come up with:

- cWo - The Cruiserweight World Order
- mWo - The Masked World Order
- pWo - The (Face)Paint World Order
- jWo - The Japanese World Order
- eWo - The Extreme World Order
- iWo - The Indy World Order
- hWo - The Horsemen World Order

:haw: : "What can we call the world order for tall guys?"
:) : "Hoss world order?"
:haw: : "Tall guy world order?"
:) : "Main Eventer world order?"

I'd mark out for a world order containing only Buff Bagwell and Scott Steiner.

bWo - The Buff World Order

haljordan
Oct 22, 2004

the corpse of god is love.






RZApublican posted:

I'd mark out for a world order containing only Buff Bagwell and Scott Steiner.

bWo - The Buff World Order

All members must wear airbrushed top hats AT ALL TIMES.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Could we just forget those guys and get Jimmy Garvin and the Fabulous Ones back?

Red
Apr 15, 2003

Yeah, great at getting us into Wawa.

ChampRamp posted:

NWO Japan was real!

That's different - they were an offshoot of the nWo, specific to one Japanese promotion.

RZApublican posted:

I'd mark out for a world order containing only Buff Bagwell and Scott Steiner.

bWo - The Buff World Order

What about The Total Package and Mr. Wondeful? And "Pretty" Paul Roma??

Pinstripe Hourglass
Nov 27, 2008

=RIVER PEOPLE=
Ay yi yi! We look
like... cartoons!

haljordan posted:

I'm still trying to wrap my head around that Piper segment from last night's Nitro :wtf:

That was something loving else. I'm still not sure what they expected to happen there.

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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

haljordan posted:

Oh man, you mean there's something even better than Piper fighting six random jobbers (half of which were clad in all denim)?

Still kinda lime how they ended up with a boxer, MMA guy/stuntman, and a sumo wrestler.

At least the boxer worked with Roddy in movies, I'm still trying to piece together the connection for the stuntman.

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