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ayn rand hand job posted:Scarborough already had a primetime show. Dunno if they'd restart the experiment 7 years after taking it away. He'd have to switch networks. Which is most likely why he'd float running- to renegotiate his contract.
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Does anyone else know more about what's happening with the other great terror (apart from the defanged Christie), Scott Walker? http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/unsealed-john-doe-filings-reveal-roots-of-recall-probe-b99195982z1-243271991.html Milwaukee Journal Sentinel posted:Unsealed John Doe filings reveal roots of recall probe Anyone know if we might be lucky enough to lose Walker as well as Christie, or know anything more about this, in any case? edit: More information (if not perhaps the best source, though they are citing credible sources themselves): http://truth-out.org/news/item/21771-evidence-mounting-that-walker-campaign-is-at-center-of-criminal-probe Truth Out posted:Unnamed Candidate Committee Requests Opinion on Funding Legal Fees The Real Paddy fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Feb 11, 2014 |
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Berke Negri posted:Anyone who is not a Republican and would be swayed over Bill's indiscretions will probably not appreciate that what he did somehow paints her running for the office in a negative light either. I wonder if it's more meant to be a message to the base with midterms coming up. Keeps the prospect of the slatternly Hillary alive in their thoughts as well as taking focus off of congressional obstructionism.
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Feb 11, 2014 05:51
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comes along bort posted:Jon Hunstman's candidacy stalled out because as far as we know he's never killed anyone and subsequently got away with it. That's the kind of thing that'll give ol' vagina eyes an edge. How likely is it that Scarborough actually murdered someone? Like, was there ever any real evidence linking him to it?
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Feb 11, 2014 16:54
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Pfirti86 posted:How likely is it that Scarborough actually murdered someone? Like, was there ever any real evidence linking him to it? About as much evidence as there is of Bill and Hillary killing Vince Foster.
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Feb 11, 2014 20:46
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The Real Paddy posted:Does anyone else know more about what's happening with the other great terror (apart from the defanged Christie), Scott Walker? The John Doe investigation must be getting close to Walker because the, "Wisconsin Club for Growth is suing to stop a state investigation of the 2011 and 2012 recall elections".
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Feb 11, 2014 21:56
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Ballz posted:About as much evidence as there is of Bill and Hillary killing Vince Foster. Slightly more. A staffer was found dead from a probably-not-accidental bludgeoning wound in his office, as opposed to Vince Foster being found dead of possible-suicide at a park. There's no particular reason to believe it was any given person with access to his office, though, including Joe Scarborough.
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Feb 11, 2014 22:40
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Walker spent 2.7 times as much as the inept Barret campaign in the recall, and won because he convinced people that he was bad, but not bad enough to recall. http://www.wisdc.org/pr072512.php Even if the John Doe investigation goes away, he's going to have to spend a ton of money to keep his job, which will tap him out for the early primaries.
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Feb 11, 2014 23:42
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Haven't they had a hard time recruiting a Walker challenger? Larry Sabato currently has him being challenged by a current Madison school board member. Seems like that's not exactly a candidate that'll win back blue collars. If you think about the profile of what the GOP probably wants next time (Governor from a purple/blue state that can claim"job creation", fairly or not), you've gotta think they're going to look hard at Walker and Kasich, and the Dems need to go big in those races (rather than in, say, Texas).
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Feb 12, 2014 00:48
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Kasich maybe but he's got more skeletons in his closet then Chris Christie does. Jobsohio? His work from before? The medicaid expansion kills him off pretty well to. He can claim job creation though alot of north east Ohio is booming right now. Claim one thing walker as done though besides the union busting bills though. Job wise hes horrible for WI and the state is losing more jobs and population then the majority of the country. And what jobs that are there are being killed off in most areas or becoming temp (ask me why I moved back to Ohio 
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So I haven't heard of it in this thread before but a person I trust on Maryland politics claims that O'Malley's marriage is basically a sham and he's having an affair. Is this commonly known? For what its worth, the person who told me this is a labor supporting Democrat and not a conspiracy theorist.
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Cliff Racer posted:So I haven't heard of it in this thread before but a person I trust on Maryland politics claims that O'Malley's marriage is basically a sham and he's having an affair. Is this commonly known? For what its worth, the person who told me this is a labor supporting Democrat and not a conspiracy theorist. Are you implying that he's gay and his marriage is a front or he's just generally a cheater?
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"Mr. Edwards, please pick up the white courtesy phone. Mr. Edwards."
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De Nomolos posted:Are you implying that he's gay and his marriage is a front or he's just generally a cheater? Just a cheater. He is apparently married to a former Maryland state AG's daughter so it could have been a Clintonian marriage from the start.
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UCS Hellmaker posted:Kasich maybe but he's got more skeletons in his closet then Chris Christie does. Jobsohio? His work from before? The medicaid expansion kills him off pretty well to. He can claim job creation though alot of north east Ohio is booming right now. Jobsohio isn't going to be a problem until the Ohio Democratic Party actually bothers to run ads calling it out for the crony capitalism it is. And it's going to take the legal equivalent on ninjitsu to actually get any of the documentation or evidence on how dirty it is to see the light of day--Kasich is probably the best governor at hiding corruption in the US right now. The only way that sticks is if it gets branded in the midterms when Kasich runs for re-election. His work from before won't be an issue, for gently caress's sake we just had Mitt "king of bain" Romney as a nominee. His job creation claim won't be a problem in the midterm at least because the guy he's running against is the Cuyahoga County (Cleveland area) executive who will be able to claim the same strengths as Kasich there along with the fact that Fitzgerald can actually claim to have cleaned up the most corrupt county in the state by a good margin. He's not about to get credit for solving the jobs problem in the foremost democratic stronghold in Ohio. If we're talking about what Kasich will get hammered on in the midterm, it's going to be the following from the left: - Completely hosed up the 3Cs high-speed rail that would have made Ohio into an actual top state. (Cleveland->Columbus->Cincinnati rail line) Did this because he thought he could take a category grant that said "only for high-speed rail" and tried to spend it on freight trains. - Jobsohio, though it will probably never stick - Hilarious anti-choice package added to the budget in the 11th hour - SB 5 and the referendum on it (Kasich lost that one by 12 points in the polls) - Hilarious income tax cut that actually shifted the burden to smaller businesses from bigger businesses - Many of the jobs were in the auto industry--which was saved by Obama, not him. - Crime rates are constant if slightly raised (Casinos along with the gutting of section 8 housing) Now, here's what he'll be running on in Ohio: - Unemployment drop from 9-7.9% in his term. (Basically mirrored the federal one) - Medicaid expansion to curry favor with poor rural whites and close-to-the-city suburbs. - Anti-choice package for the bible thumpers (They weren't to enthuasiastic about him at the start since he openly says he doesn't identify as Christian right) - Increased spending for most schools (ignoring the fact that this actually kept funding levels the same since so many levies have failed in the past 4 years and ignoring the fact that he got a lot of the dollars for this by cutting library and welfare funding) - Drastic increases in city livability (Because Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Columbus are all pouring money into infastructure for once, albeit only in the nice areas of town where people want to live and not near the filthy poors. Also not because of state funding) Here's the funny part. A lot of what he's going to run on to get reelected as governor will gently caress him for a 2016 primary. - Medicaid expansion will rile the tea party up. - Libertarians hate the anti-choice package - Could have cut taxes more by leaving school funding the same - Couldn't break the unions the whole way And in the general, he'd get hammered on all the same points as his gubernatorial campaign, and he'd have to explain why the same unemployment decrease as Obama makes him better than a democrat. Essentially, Kasich would be Romney pt. 2.
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Cliff Racer posted:So I haven't heard of it in this thread before but a person I trust on Maryland politics claims that O'Malley's marriage is basically a sham and he's having an affair. Is this commonly known? For what its worth, the person who told me this is a labor supporting Democrat and not a conspiracy theorist. Don't you think the fact that he's a complete bore with no charisma will be a bigger issue?
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TheGreyGhost posted:Libertarians hate the anti-choice package
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SombreroAgnew posted:Since when are GOP libertarians pro-choice? I'm guessing it's the whole "small/no government" thing
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Yeah but the majority of the time that mindset doesn't apply to banning abortion and harassing gays.
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ManifunkDestiny posted:I'm guessing it's the whole "small/no government" thing The ones who at least pay service to ideological consistency (which is not all of them) are all for laws that fly in the face of libertarian philosophy, so long as they are passed on the state level. See: abortion, gay rights, drug laws, etc.
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SombreroAgnew posted:Yeah but the majority of the time that mindset doesn't apply to banning abortion and harassing gays. They're generally fine with outlawing murder, so it's just a question of defining the fetus as a person, which isn't something the ideology really comments on. I disagree with them, but I don't see it as inconsistent.
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Sir Kodiak posted:They're generally fine with outlawing murder, so it's just a question of defining the fetus as a person, which isn't something the ideology really comments on. I disagree with them, but I don't see it as inconsistent.  (It's almost as if looking at everything through the lens of contracts and property rights produces ridiculous conclusions)
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Sir Kodiak posted:They're generally fine with outlawing murder, so it's just a question of defining the fetus as a person, which isn't something the ideology really comments on. I disagree with them, but I don't see it as inconsistent. In the buttcoin thread in GBS we've seen posts from reddit libertarians on how that bitcoin exchange CEO or whatever who attempted to hire contract killer isn't actually morally culpable for the hits he was putting out, so I think we can pretty easily slate "fine with outlawing murder" into the libertarian-inconsistency category.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I think we can pretty easily slate "fine with outlawing murder" into the libertarian-inconsistency category. There's also the Ron Paul counter-terrorism strategy: Letters of Marque. And Rand's willingness to allow drone strikes against liquor store robbers.
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An Actual Thing That Happened: Shine on.
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CNN posted:Here's the museum's list of cars that went down the hole: Biden will be OK, only 3 of those Corvettes aren't garbage.
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SedanChair posted:Biden will be OK, only 3 of those Corvettes aren't garbage. Oh thank god, an L88 wasn't on that list. 
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SedanChair posted:Biden will be OK, only 3 of those Corvettes aren't garbage. Who do you think was tunneling up into the museum in the first place?
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Joementum posted:There's also the Ron Paul counter-terrorism strategy: Letters of Marque. Not even robbers but people running out of liquor stores with $50 in cash and a weapon, they don't even get the "Good Guy with a Gun" benefit of the doubt.
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mcmagic posted:Don't you think the fact that he's a complete bore with no charisma will be a bigger issue? Never watched him speak but an affair going public without his consent would be a bullet to the campaign brain if it happens during election season and he doesn't already have significant momentum.
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mcmagic posted:Don't you think the fact that he's a complete bore with no charisma will be a bigger issue? Good thing the Democrats never nominate any of those.
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:Good thing the Democrats never nominate any of those. One of the saddest sights ever is attending a Democratic Party convention of some kind and watching people fawn over a dullard like, oh, I don't know...let's say his name was Fohn Jerry.
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Cliff Racer posted:Never watched him speak but an affair going public without his consent would be a bullet to the campaign brain if it happens during election season and he doesn't already have significant momentum. Not to mention if he was even reasonably high-profile at that point the GOP would carpet-bomb the airwaves with it as evidence that Democrats hate women/families/etc. and they would probably get a few generic ballot votes out of it regardless of who the nominee was. Edwards could have mattered more in 2008 if the deck hadn't already been so stacked against McCain.
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De Nomolos posted:One of the saddest sights ever is attending a Democratic Party convention of some kind and watching people fawn over a dullard like, oh, I don't know...let's say his name was Fohn Jerry. You should meet his brother Cam. He makes John look like Bill Clinton.
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:Not to mention if he was even reasonably high-profile at that point the GOP would carpet-bomb the airwaves with it as evidence that Democrats hate women/families/etc. and they would probably get a few generic ballot votes out of it regardless of who the nominee was. Edwards could have mattered more in 2008 if the deck hadn't already been so stacked against McCain. It also didn't hurt that while he was an early serious contender, he was never close to getting the nomination. That would be like trying to pin Newt's sense of marital commitment on Romney. Plus, the really really damning stuff on Edwards didn't come out until well after the election.
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De Nomolos posted:One of the saddest sights ever is attending a Democratic Party convention of some kind and watching people fawn over a dullard like, oh, I don't know...let's say his name was Fohn Jerry. Still would have been a much better president than GW.
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What do you guys think of Rand Paul's move to try to bring up Bill Clinton's philandering as some kind of mark against Hillary Clinton? It seems to me the dumbest possible move, one with tons of downside (make a certain number of white middle aged GOP voting women sympathetic to Hillary) and very little upside (rile up the base, which could have been done with the usual code words and dog whistles). I realize he's moved onto the NSA lawsuit gimmick but judgment calls like that Monica Lewinsky one leave me wondering whether he will have any staying power as a front runner if he actually thinks that kind of move is productive.
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mcmagic posted:Don't you think the fact that he's a complete bore with no charisma will be a bigger issue? Hey now, he's the lead singer in a profoundly mediocre cover band! 
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Zwabu posted:What do you guys think of Rand Paul's move to try to bring up Bill Clinton's philandering as some kind of mark against Hillary Clinton? It seems to me the dumbest possible move, one with tons of downside (make a certain number of white middle aged GOP voting women sympathetic to Hillary) and very little upside (rile up the base, which could have been done with the usual code words and dog whistles). I realize he's moved onto the NSA lawsuit gimmick but judgment calls like that Monica Lewinsky one leave me wondering whether he will have any staying power as a front runner if he actually thinks that kind of move is productive. Early days yet. I'd bet that once the primaries are underway in earnest at least one of the GOP contenders will try to show how they're ready to take on Hillary by taking a shot at the whole Monica Lewinsky controversy and get slapped down hard for blaming a woman for her husband's affair. It's just a matter of who forgets they're not in a safe conservative bubble while having the nation's attention. If anything it might be a good thing for Rand and other Republicans to say some of this dumb stuff now, in places where no one will care, so they can be warned off of it before things ramp up. I doubt anyone'll get much out of digging the quote up two years from now.
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What in the last four years of national politics gives you any hope Republicans will stop saying incendiary, ignorant things?
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