Lurdiak posted:Man, the FF are not my favorite hero team and the last two Fox movies were heinously bad, but that kinda makes me wanna go see it just out of principle. I never liked FF much until I read Hickman's run on it. mr.capps posted:Marvel, please give me a black Galatacus. Thank you, that will be all. Already been done. http://m.adultswim.com/video/minoriteam/behold-balactus-part-1.html sleepingbuddha fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Feb 23, 2014 |
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sleepingbuddha posted:I never liked FF much until I read Hickman's run on it. Then you should really go track down Waid's run ASAP.
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SirDan3k posted:I am mostly curious as to how the FF movie is going to play out because as somebody brought up in the thread forever ago what little personality Johnny Storm's has is being a lazy underachieving responsibility shirking hotheaded idiot i.e. an 80's movie black guy stereotype. this is why I would really have preferred that, if they were open to casting a black actor as one of the Four, it had been Reed, Sue or Ben (incidentally, Michael B. Jordan has the range to play any of those parts - even Sue if someone got really wild and gender-flipped the lineup). Black Johnny wouldn't really go against the grain of Hollywood typecasting, if the comics character weren't white. But I still think this is a good step forward. Trank probably knows well enough to avoid combining the worst iterations of Johnny's character with a controversial casting decision. We'll probably get a hot-headed but heroic take.
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Feb 23, 2014 16:56
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PupsOfWar posted:this is why I would really have preferred that, if they were open to casting a black actor as one of the Four, it had been Reed, Sue or Ben That would be even worse. The one black guy gets covered in orange rocks and also being the big intimidating guy?
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Feb 23, 2014 16:59
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mr.capps posted:Marvel, please give me a black Galatacus. Thank you, that will be all. Fear of a Black Planet Eater fatherboxx posted:
I'm not saying there aren't problems with black leads in superhero movies but this just seems to cherry pick a starting date where they didn't have to put Wesley Snipes or Halle Berry on it.
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Well, you can start at 2008 as the ground zero for the modern age of superhero movies, would not make it any less depressing. A telling streak either way.
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Feb 23, 2014 17:23
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It's cool that Michael Jordan got the part, but keeping sue white just makes it seem like tokenism rather than any real step forward. It's like, yeah, you admit that black people watch movies, but you still think people can't handle an interracial relationship. Personally I think a mulatto franklin richards would be adorable. I didn't know that about Heimdall and Sif, but it DOES bother me now that I do.
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muscles like this? posted:Fear of a Black Planet Eater I was halfway through a response mentioning the "single character" bit when I remembered Catwoman. You made me remember Catwoman existed. You monster. 404GoonNotFound fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Feb 23, 2014 |
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Feb 23, 2014 17:39
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404GoonNotFound posted:You made me remember Catwoman existed. You monster. Hey at least he didn't link the basketball scene.
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Ignite Memories posted:It's cool that Michael Jordan got the part, but keeping sue white just makes it seem like tokenism rather than any real step forward. It's like, yeah, you admit that black people watch movies, but you still think people can't handle an interracial relationship. Personally I think a mulatto franklin richards would be adorable. It's also that a black Sue would make fully half the leads black, which would mean that audiences might perceive it as a "black" movie rather than a general-audience superhero film. Sad but true. "True" strictly in the sense that people in Hollywood actually think this way, mind you.
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Feb 23, 2014 18:03
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I can't believe people in this thread are upset an actor who is black is playing a character. How loving trivial can you get?
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Feb 23, 2014 18:08
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I don't think its necessarily wrong to be upset that a casting decision doesn't line up with past depictions or one's own mental image of a character. It only becomes skeevy when you try to project that forward as being anything other than your own personal hangup. Edit: the problem isn't so much that Johnny Storm is black, it's that he's different from what was expected based on prior depictions. If anyone is actually upset solely because the actor chosen is African American, yeah, gently caress 'em. jivjov fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Feb 23, 2014 |
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Hey at least he didn't link the basketball scene. I've never seen this before and I hate you now
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I might have mentioned this once or twice in this thread before, but Halle Berry is the worst thing that has ever happened.
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Ignite Memories posted:I might have mentioned this once or twice in this thread before, but Halle Berry is the worst thing that has ever happened.
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Timeless Appeal posted:That could have been loving Meryl Streep and Sidney Potier in that scene and it would still be awful. yeah, that's kind of the catwoman analog to the Playground Kung-Fu Battle in Daredevil, where there is literally nobody who could have salvaged the script's ridiculousness in that moment though I do love how many directors like to use a basketball scene to establish that their hero is transcending ~street cred~ or whatever but don't understand how basketball works "ey Peter that's a travel," PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Feb 23, 2014 |
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Feb 23, 2014 19:44
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Yeah how could you see that thing and think Halle Berry is the problem, instead of literally everything being the problem.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Hey at least he didn't link the basketball scene. what the poo poo was that
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Timeless Appeal posted:That could have been loving Meryl Streep and Sidney Potier in that scene and it would still be awful. Counterpoint: Meryl Streep and Sidney Poitier would be hilarious and I'd love to see that.
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prezbuluskey posted:I can't believe people in this thread are upset an actor who is black is playing a character. How loving trivial can you get? Calm down, almost nobody in the thread actively thinks it's wrong except one person we all immediately ridiculed. I just think they should have made Sue black, too.
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theflyingorc posted:Calm down, almost nobody in the thread actively thinks it's wrong except one person we all immediately ridiculed. I just think they should have made Sue black, too. Nobody in this thread actively thinks it's wrong, dude couldn't be more obvious with his trolling if he tried.
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Feb 23, 2014 20:26
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Film companies should take a cue from Sleepy Hollow, it's got a gigantic fan following, it killed in the ratings, half the cast is black, and even has one Asian in a supporting role. And it's already been guaranteed renewal for a new season. It's also an intelligently written-yet-batshit-insane TV show. Sometimes I wonder if the thinking at most film studios is 'if we put in too many people of color it won't do well in the South' bullshit. And for me personally, I thought Idris Elba made a great Heimdall in Thor & Thor 2. Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Feb 23, 2014 |
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Feb 23, 2014 20:49
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I think its interesting that the current X-men book has a team that is 100% women and most are non-white; Storm, Omega Sentinel, Monet, Jubilee. Pyslock is drawn Asian, but I'm pretty sure that's just how the artists draw her and she's still the sister of a blond haired blue eyed Captain Britain. Cap 2 is good because you have Falcon, which is admittedly a lame character in the comics into a complete bad rear end.
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twistedmentat posted:I think its interesting that the current X-men book has a team that is 100% women and most are non-white; Storm, Omega Sentinel, Monet, Jubilee. Pyslock is drawn Asian, but I'm pretty sure that's just how the artists draw her and she's still the sister of a blond haired blue eyed Captain Britain. Psylocke's mind was put into the body of an Asian ninja; she was born blonde haired and blue eyed.
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Sefer posted:Psylocke's mind was put into the body of an Asian ninja; she was born blonde haired and blue eyed. Ah, never knew that, but I'd still count her as white. Still, its a book that is pretty much all the things that people claim don't sell.
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I thought psylocke transfered her body into an asian. edit: beaten
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And still had the Asian body after being rescued from the afterlife because... because comics.
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muscles like this? posted:I'm not saying there aren't problems with black leads in superhero movies but this just seems to cherry pick a starting date where they didn't have to put Wesley Snipes or Halle Berry on it. Or Shaquille O'Neil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP8d6W2lThM
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WickedHate posted:That would be even worse. The one black guy gets covered in orange rocks and also being the big intimidating guy? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Johnny usually characterized as a cocky brazen womanizer with an absent father? Because to me that's a thousand times worse.
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Mochiballs posted:Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Johnny usually characterized as a cocky brazen womanizer with an absent father? Because to me that's a thousand times worse. Mother died, father went to jail for killing a loan shark in self defense. I've always seen Johnny more as a meterosexual show off then as being a womanizer.
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Mochiballs posted:Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Johnny usually characterized as a cocky brazen womanizer with an absent father? Because to me that's a thousand times worse. Ben was in a loving street gang.
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They look to be going pretty Ultimate heavy and his father's quite supportive there. He's still brash and cocky and all but he's a good looking 16/17 year old with superpowers so it fits
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Lurdiak posted:Ben was in a loving street gang. Mochiballs posted:Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Johnny usually characterized as a cocky brazen womanizer with an absent father? Because to me that's a thousand times worse. We also run into the issue where our attempts to run from Black stereotypes creates this dichotomy in media where Blacks are either clear and gross stereotypes or characters so far removed from those stereotypes that they become a bit less relatable. As much as I love them, and I'd love to see them put on film, Cage and T'Challa are a good example of this issue.
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Timeless Appeal posted:To be fair, Yancy Street is like the whitest gang ever. Wasn't it a Jewish gang? I always figured the Yancy street gang was one of the Jewish gangs that operated in NYC during Prohibition like the kind Meyer Lanksy or Bugsy Seagle were part of. You didn't want to gently caress with them anymore than the Italians. I don't thin Cage is too far removed, as he's essentially a blacksplotation character, a street wise tough guy mercenary private eye is also an archtype thats pretty universal. Just he's punching mole men instead of gangsters or commies. T'challa does have a problem because he can be seen as the noble savage from the mysterious dark continent. I'd prefer him to be shown as a sauve, modern monarch who is clearly as smart as Tony Stark.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Hey at least he didn't link the basketball scene. Suddenly Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner on the playground doesn't seem so bad.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Hey at least he didn't link the basketball scene. If every scene in the movie is like this, then I have to buy this movie now.
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twistedmentat posted:Wasn't it a Jewish gang? I always figured the Yancy street gang was one of the Jewish gangs that operated in NYC during Prohibition like the kind Meyer Lanksy or Bugsy Seagle were part of. You didn't want to gently caress with them anymore than the Italians. The Yancy Street Gang isn't usually depicted as a real, dyed-in-the-wool organized crime gang, iirc. More a gang as in "gang of youths who hang around doing pranks and cutting wise". Like the kids from Fat Albert or something. There have been a few departures, but from what I can recall the recent FF version is closer to the Stan/Jack vision than more serious iterations are. PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Does Marvel co-own Psylocke? She originated in the Captain Britain comics, not X-Men. She was only brought because Claremont was going to do as sequel to the Mad Jim Jaspers storyline for the Mutant Massacre but Alan Moore threatened to sue. edit: Oh, I forgot that Psylocke "appeared" in X3 (as a nameless mook whose name was switched around in production). Corek fucked around with this message at 08:37 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Marvel owns these comics now too, they put out a big collection of Davis/Moore Captain Britain few years back.
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