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Dilbert As gently caress posted:Less PCI slots used. man, thats a huge price premium to save one PCI slot. are most of these lab builds using SFF cases or something?
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ZetsurinPower posted:man, thats a huge price premium to save one PCI slot. are most of these lab builds using SFF cases or something? IN some shuttle builds or cases all you have is 1 or 2 PCI slots; If you buy the 4port nics from ebay and go with broadcom you usually don't pay that much more http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-BROADC...=item338b5aeabc
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Docjowles posted:http://www.amazon.com/CCNA-Routing-Switching-Study-Guide/dp/1118749618 Thanks for the suggestion. Just ordered one now.
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:IN some shuttle builds or cases all you have is 1 or 2 PCI slots; If you buy the 4port nics from ebay and go with broadcom you usually don't pay that much more http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-BROADC...=item338b5aeabc I thought Broadcom NICs were notoriously awful, especially in conjunction with VMware? Is that not the case, or just not worth worrying about on the home lab level?
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Feb 25, 2014 21:09
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Docjowles posted:I thought Broadcom NICs were notoriously awful, especially in conjunction with VMware? Is that not the case, or just not worth worrying about on the home lab level? In the standard esxi image the drivers usually suck but they do work well so long as you aren't putting 24/7 full gig traffic on them and add the proper *.vibs in your esxi image; or use update manager to apply the latest drivers. Most of my headache with broadcom comes with GA releases of ESXi.
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Docjowles posted:I thought Broadcom NICs were notoriously awful, especially in conjunction with VMware? Is that not the case, or just not worth worrying about on the home lab level? IBM use Broadcom NICs on their mainboards and I've never had issues with them in the past (However I've always installed the IBM customised ESXi image which has the right drivers).
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Feb 25, 2014 22:25
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ZetsurinPower posted:man, thats a huge price premium to save one PCI slot. are most of these lab builds using SFF cases or something? When I posted that question I was using a mini-itx board with a single expansion slot.
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Literally don't ever order Broadcom NICs and always demand Intel NICs. That's it. Otherwise you will eventually (or immediately) have problems. Somebody will want to install a new build and stuff will just not work.
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madsushi posted:Literally don't ever order Broadcom NICs and always demand Intel NICs. That's it. Otherwise you will eventually (or immediately) have problems. Somebody will want to install a new build and stuff will just not work. For a production I agree; for a lab I do love intel; but broadcom's when you update the firmware/drivers work okay. But yeah I do prefer intel Which actually you can get cheap as well http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-IBM-P...=item25895cd9bb
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cheese-cube posted:IBM use Broadcom NICs on their mainboards and I've never had issues with them in the past (However I've always installed the IBM customised ESXi image which has the right drivers). Probably best to point out that I'm not referring to HBA/mezzanine/PCIe cards here. I cannot vouch for Broadcom HBA/mezzanine/PCIe cards. Intel/Emulex for Ethernet, Brocade for FCP (QLogic will work too but their management software is garbage).
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:IN some shuttle builds or cases all you have is 1 or 2 PCI slots; If you buy the 4port nics from ebay and go with broadcom you usually don't pay that much more http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-BROADC...=item338b5aeabc Yeah, but the intel 4-port gigabit card (EXPI9404PT) is $80... so why not just get that one instead? http://www.ebay.com/itm/291085798202
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CrazyLittle posted:Yeah, but the intel 4-port gigabit card (EXPI9404PT) is $80... so why not just get that one instead? http://www.ebay.com/itm/291085798202 Be careful with that card, as I have just come to find out, it has issues with PCIe 2.0/3.0 slots. As in it doesn't work in them type of issue: http://www.intel.com/support/network/adapter/pro100/sb/CS-030873.htm
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CrazyLittle posted:Yeah, but the intel 4-port gigabit card (EXPI9404PT) is $80... so why not just get that one instead? http://www.ebay.com/itm/291085798202 Yeah I was just using it as an example I wasn't recommending that card in particular.
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Manos posted:Be careful with that card, as I have just come to find out, it has issues with PCIe 2.0/3.0 slots. As in it doesn't work in them type of issue: http://www.intel.com/support/network/adapter/pro100/sb/CS-030873.htm I'll have to give it a try. I just threw together an AMD whitebox based on homeserverblog / dilbert's suggestions, and I have a few of those cards laying around from other projects. ZetsurinPower posted:any downside to using 2x dual ethernet NICs (aside from suing two slots)? If they file a countersuit it could be wrapped up in court filings for decades. (no downside)
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CrazyLittle posted:I'll have to give it a try. I just threw together an AMD whitebox based on homeserverblog / dilbert's suggestions, and I have a few of those cards laying around from other projects. Working just fine so far in a ASRock 970 Extreme3 R2.0 motherboard in the second PCIe x16 slot.
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Okay a bunch of people want to learn VCP/VCP-VDI doing gus on this
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:Okay a bunch of people want to learn VCP/VCP-VDI Wait, right now?
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Wait, right now? VMUG I spoke at and poo poo; the VDI wave is coming I plan to surf it. What help people learn and hope advance in their career is the reason I post on SA. I honestly want to do GUG on all topics but I can't find anyone do do anything aside from me doing vm/net/storage Which Varrow is interested in me at so yeah... got a few goon and other contacts for that and 5th gear for my VCDX right now. Don't give a gently caress about drinking or socializing with outside IT I want to be the best. Even if I fail I know I learned something which interm can help others. Dilbert As FUCK fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Feb 27, 2014 |
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I want to ride that wave with you. Will you be putting up youtubes for people who can't make the live GUGs?
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What do you guys think about these little machines for a Virtualization base? http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Atom/X10/A1SRi-2558F.cfm Price for this would be pretty equivalent to an AMD FX 8320 + mobo, and this comes with 4 gig NICs (that you have to patch VIBs into ESXi ISO for, unfortunately) edit: Oh ehh, they require ECC ram. Nevermind. some kinda jackal fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Mar 7, 2014 |
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Martytoof posted:edit: Oh ehh, they require ECC ram. Nevermind. This is the problem, really. ECC SO-DIMMs
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Between this thread and the very enterprisey virtualization thread, I hope I picked the right one. As a broke college student with a genetic predisposition to destroying laptops, I was thinking I could perhaps just get a chromebook and remote in to my home computer for visual studio action. It appears possible, but I'm not quite sure where to start on the VM side. I tried google, but I think I may not be using appropriately "idiots guide" search strings or something. Anyone mind breaking down some quick and dirty basic setup steps barney style for me? My desktop is pretty cheap, 3rd gen i3, 8gb ram, etc., but I would be willing to do a proc/ram upgrade if necessary since that'll be cheaper than a spendier laptop. It's just all the info from those two threads are pretty dense and I don't know where to start. I already run linux VMs on virtualbox when I need them, but stepping up to a secure, always available remote desktop VM (available even when my wife is home and on the thing) is leaving me scratching my head. Also, if this is a dumb idea, you won't hurt my feelings by telling me so!
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An SSD and more RAM will help the desktop. Everything but Hyper-V runs as the logged in user so if your wife uses her own account that is going to be a problem. Connecting to your router with whatever VPN technology it supports will allow you to access everything on your network without forwarding a million ports. If you type really fast the latency may drive you nuts.
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What you need to do is have a management VM or the like bridged off the host computer, give it a LAN IP, go into your router and forward 3389 for RDP or use something like teamviewer if you don't/can't forward that port. If you have an internal vmnetwork that you want to talk to give that management VM an additional nic into that virtual network. Then just tell virtual box to run in the back ground. Overall it will need to look like this. thebigcow posted:An SSD and more RAM will help the desktop. Surprisingly enough I found that a decent USB 3.0 drive is a good medium solution if you dedicate the whole device for it, Format exFAT with a 512K block helps a bunch. SSD's do own, and so do SHDD's, but they are a bit more pricey. But that is a good point about him having to stay logged in unless he can just get his wife to turn on a set of VM's. Dilbert As FUCK fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Mar 19, 2014 |
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Wow, that was fast. Oh, and an edit too! First, how much more ram? Just another 8 or should I just cram another 16 in? Also, definitely picking up an ssd if this whole thing works out, since i'll be saving so much on the laptop(s). Dilbert As gently caress posted:What you need to do is have a management VM or the like bridged off the host computer, give it a LAN IP, go into your router and forward 3389 for RDP or use something like teamviewer if you don't/can't forward that port. Thanks for the picture, seriously! What do you mean by a management VM? What would the setup for that look like? Would it then be two vms? The management and the win8 VMs running off the "real" OS off of virtual box (or whatever I should be running it/them on)? thebigcow posted:Everything but Hyper-V runs as the logged in user so if your wife uses her own account that is going to be a problem. My wife breaks everything, so I guess hyper-v is going to be my best bet. Do you have a tutorial you'd use if you were teaching elementary school? Heh.
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Octo Delta posted:Wow, that was fast. Oh, and an edit too! First, how much more ram? Just another 8 or should I just cram another 16 in? Also, definitely picking up an ssd if this whole thing works out, since i'll be saving so much on the laptop(s). quote:Thanks for the picture, seriously! What do you mean by a management VM? What would the setup for that look like? Would it then be two vms? The management and the win8 VMs running off the "real" OS off of virtual box (or whatever I should be running it/them on)? quote:My wife breaks everything, so I guess hyper-v is going to be my best bet. Do you have a tutorial you'd use if you were teaching elementary school? Heh. Hyper-V is very simple and straight forward to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSNyb5-lN4g
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Ok, so I won't be home for a couple of hours, but from your advice, assuming I'm starting from scratch... 1) install win 8 2) setup hyper-v 3) setup virtual switch 4) setup management VM 5) setup development VM 6) pray?
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Octo Delta posted:Ok, so I won't be home for a couple of hours, but from your advice, assuming I'm starting from scratch... Das the plan. I'd suggest running through hyper-v in virtual box first just so you get a feel for it.
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Ok, so for testing purposes run win8 in virtual box, with it running the win8 and management VMs in hyper-v? Then, basically, whenever I get everything ironed out I can pull the trigger on any hardware upgrades and set everything back up on hyper-v on the for realz OS?
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Octo Delta posted:Ok, so for testing purposes run win8 in virtual box, with it running the win8 and management VMs in hyper-v? Then, basically, whenever I get everything ironed out I can pull the trigger on any hardware upgrades and set everything back up on hyper-v on the for realz OS? That's how I'd do it, get familar to how it feels in virtual box then do the reformat.
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Alrighty, I will probably be back after I ruin everything and, hopefully, before I throw my computer out the window. Thanks a ton for the help thus far!
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Will Hyper-V even run in VirtualBox? IIRC it requires VT-x/AMD-V to be available, and VirtualBox doesn't currently support emulation/passthrough of those instructions like VMware does.
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SamDabbers posted:Will Hyper-V even run in VirtualBox? IIRC it requires VT-x/AMD-V to be available, and VirtualBox doesn't currently support emulation/passthrough of those instructions like VMware does. I thought it did just *experimental*, I could be wrong I know it works in VM player which is also free.
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What diagram software is this?
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Swink posted:What diagram software is this? Visio 2013, it's just something I threw together in 5 minutes
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:I thought it did just *experimental*, I could be wrong I know it works in VM player which is also free. VirtualBox does not do nested virt at all. Neither does Hyper-V. Free has nothing to do with it.
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evol262 posted:VirtualBox does not do nested virt at all. Neither does Hyper-V. Free has nothing to do with it. Oh okay I thought virtualbox did, I was just mentioning VMware player is free? Either way he should be able to play with hyper-v, so he can get a feel for the configurations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrJP5Xg9etY Dilbert As FUCK fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Mar 20, 2014 |
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:Oh okay I thought virtualbox did, I was just mentioning VMware player is free? Dilbert As gently caress posted:Either way he should be able to play with hyper-v, so he can get a feel for the configurations.
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Welp, I guess I should've checked back here last night instead of stubbornly pounding my head against a wall... hyper-v only this time around I guess! Thanks guys!
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