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Kro-Bar posted:Got this one from my normally apolitical mom today. It'x really quite amazing that anyone can believe those gun ownership stats are accurate for anywhere outside the developed world.
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Kro-Bar posted:Got this one from my normally apolitical mom today. I love that they put the cutoff for the first homicide tier at 0-5 considering the US is sitting at 4.7, around the same level as Yemen, but Germany (at 0.8, 1/6 of US's) and Japan (0.3, 1/16 of US's) are somehow in the same tier.
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I especially like how the included Greenland in there. It has a population of 56,000 so 1 homicide or more is going to make it look very bad according to their measure.
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DeusExMachinima posted:You could say the same thing about involving the state if a racist calls the cops to kick a black kid out of their home. You may notice quite a few laws differ regarding operation of a public business and a private household.
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# ? Feb 26, 2014 18:04 |
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I like how that graph uses a measurement that makes it look like the US's homicide rate isn't over 4x that of the rest of the first world average.
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# ? Feb 26, 2014 18:07 |
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Kro-Bar posted:Got this one from my normally apolitical mom today. Apparently this came from Breitbart. I'm sure staring at two graphs of raw data and not controlling any other variables makes for a meaningful study on gun violence on the global scale. I'm also pretty entertained that Google Image Searching that image hits this article as a first result: quote:The study, led by a Boston University School of Public Health researcher, examines the National Rifle Association’s (NRA) claim that increased gun ownership does not lead to increased gun violence. It is the largest study conducted to date into the correlation between gun ownership and firearms violence, and the first to comprehensively examine the issue since the tragic shooting last December of 20 children and 7 adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. I don't need to tell you again about it, search your own image for the study that tells you about it for me. Mo_Steel fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Feb 26, 2014 |
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Kro-Bar posted:Got this one from my normally apolitical mom today. I rather like that places such as Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan are shown on this as fairly safe places. They're what I totally think of when it comes to countries without significant gun violence. But gently caress Greenland, it's a deathtrap.
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# ? Feb 26, 2014 18:25 |
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CB_Tube_Knight posted:I like how angry people seem to get when you try to simply add diversity to things. Yeah I had a similar reaction from people (and I mean men) when I posted a thing about maybe people should stop telling rape jokes. Of the 7 people involved in that discussion there were 2 women that agreed with that and I was the only guy that agreed with the notion as well the rest (including the guy who would go on to call my friend a monkey) were set against it for reasons varying from "it limits my rights," to something about humor is subjective so you can't declare rape jokes unfunny to one reasonable thing about denying rape victims the healing power of humor, though the fact most rape jokes aren't said for those purposes but to demean people didn't seem to matter. But so as promised some highlights from that thread, these are all going to be from the racist guy Some Racist rear end in a top hat posted:Imagine the outrage if they they came with WET (white entertainment television) or a game called White College Football, as they did with Black College Football After this my friend who had been arguing with him got angry and told him to shut the gently caress up and his response Some Racist rear end in a top hat continued posted:Look at the monkey getting wild in his cage haha. If you are going to turn this conversation into a shouting contest, clearly you never really evolved from our prime-ape ancestor. I am sorry to disappoint you, you ignorant slave to society, but black people shoot at white people too. You are turning this conversation into a race war, when it was a discussion about true equality. Clearly though, you have no level of intellect to grow and become better then you are, which is an un-evolved, uncultured human. In other words, you are indeed, acting like a monkey. You think people of all races arent prejudiced against? You're an idiot and belong in a zoo. Now go run along with your uneducated comments. Im sure a Mcdonalds will hire you somewhere. After that last comment he posted a picture of Obama with the words Deal With it as a caption. I blocked him on facebook right after this cause I don't need no shithead like that commenting on facebook. He's obviously trolling at points but still I think enough that he's a loving racist.
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# ? Feb 26, 2014 18:41 |
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Mo_Steel posted:Apparently this came from Breitbart. I'm sure staring at two graphs of raw data and not controlling any other variables makes for a meaningful study on gun violence on the global scale. Well it claims to show homicide in general, not violence overall, or the even narrower subset of gun violence. Its pretty much a useless image because its attempting to demonstrate causality that doesn't exist. Homicide is more closely linked to socioeconomic factors than the regulatory control of firearm ownership, but that is a complex relationship that is a lot more difficult to discuss than LOLguns. Most people find it easier to say and believe 'more/less guns will solve the crime problem!' instead. Mo_Steel posted:I'm also pretty entertained that Google Image Searching that image hits this article as a first result: Yeah, and the more SUVs you have on the road, the higher the rates of SUV-involved auto accidents. Tautologies are fun. If only good government policy could be formulated using misplaced causation, tautologies, and Just World fallacies. LeJackal fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Feb 26, 2014 |
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Someone was using their work email to spread this... whatever this is.quote:Beloved Ones, you are all wondering about the "fake snow" that has been falling across the U.S. It lays on the ground without creating puddles for long periods of time, and if you make a snowball with your hands, they feel greasy afterwards. If you make a hard snowball and place it over a flame, you will wait anywhere from 12 seconds to three minutes before you see anything reminding you of a drop of water melting. Do this same test with the frost from your freezer and you will see the dramatic difference.
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quote:Black College Football Are HBCUs even included in the NCAA Football video games?
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Knight posted:Someone was using their work email to spread this... whatever this is. Here's a rebuttal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmT3wcu8Ed0
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LeJackal posted:Yeah, and the more SUVs you have on the road, the higher the rates of SUV-involved auto accidents. Tautologies are fun. Your poor tautology analogy demonstrates that you don't know what one is. It's throughly possible that SUVs are so much safer to drive that their accident total would decline if they came to dominate the roads and drive out more dangerous models. Note: I do not hold this to be true for SUVs, but it could easily happen as self driving cars take over the roadways. Peanut3141 fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Feb 26, 2014 |
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KomradeX posted:Yeah I had a similar reaction from people (and I mean men) when I posted a thing about maybe people should stop telling rape jokes. Of the 7 people involved in that discussion there were 2 women that agreed with that and I was the only guy that agreed with the notion as well the rest (including the guy who would go on to call my friend a monkey) were set against it for reasons varying from "it limits my rights," to something about humor is subjective so you can't declare rape jokes unfunny to one reasonable thing about denying rape victims the healing power of humor, though the fact most rape jokes aren't said for those purposes but to demean people didn't seem to matter.
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Swan Oat posted:Are HBCUs even included in the NCAA Football video games? They were in NCAA Football 2005, but for some reason EA decided to take out all the 1-AA schools a couple years later. (along with a bunch of other good features, while simultaneously not fixing the persistent gameplay issues )
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# ? Feb 26, 2014 19:24 |
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So quick question; I don't normally post pictures at all, so how would I get my conversation with the "taxation is theft" guy onto here? I've anomynized it with social fixer, but all I normally use for posting photos on the net is photobucket, so what should I do to get the conversation here? Just print screen, cut out the unnecessary parts, and post it on photobucket (which is linked to my facebook), then post it here?
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# ? Feb 26, 2014 19:36 |
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Use imgur.com or lpix.org
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# ? Feb 26, 2014 19:41 |
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Swan Oat posted:Are HBCUs even included in the NCAA Football video games? No. They were included in past versions though. (PS2)
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# ? Feb 26, 2014 19:43 |
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Just in case.. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/studentid.asp
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# ? Feb 26, 2014 19:46 |
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The most succinct rebuttal to the taxation-as-theft argument I've ever heard is this: 1) The concept of theft is based on the principle of property rights, but 2) rights are a meaningless concept if not protected by a government, which 3) cannot exist without taxes to support it. Ergo, your property rights cannot exist without taxation, meaning that taxation is not a violation of your rights but a necessary condition of them.
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# ? Feb 26, 2014 19:51 |
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Guilty Spork posted:It's been said a zillion times but it bears repeating: If you want a "White Entertainment Television" channel, for all intents and purposes you've got hundreds already. The entertainment industry skews towards white people by a hefty margin, and it's not weird that some black people might try to carve out an exception to the overwhelming whiteness of media. I know this but it doesn't seem to matter he's also sine the why no white history month bullshit. He also acted like I was a exist for stressing that Affirmative Action actually benefits white women the most just another his whole affirmative action is racial in nature is bullshit.
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MisterBadIdea posted:The most succinct rebuttal to the taxation-as-theft argument I've ever heard is this: 1) The concept of theft is based on the principle of property rights, but 2) rights are a meaningless concept if not protected by a government, which 3) cannot exist without taxes to support it. Ergo, your property rights cannot exist without taxation, meaning that taxation is not a violation of your rights but a necessary condition of them. Rights are endowed by the creator and governments are formed only to protect them. I just need my
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MisterBadIdea posted:The most succinct rebuttal to the taxation-as-theft argument I've ever heard is this: 1) The concept of theft is based on the principle of property rights, but 2) rights are a meaningless concept if not protected by a government, which 3) cannot exist without taxes to support it. Ergo, your property rights cannot exist without taxation, meaning that taxation is not a violation of your rights but a necessary condition of them.
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# ? Feb 26, 2014 20:07 |
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LeJackal posted:Well it claims to show homicide in general, not violence overall, or the even narrower subset of gun violence. Its pretty much a useless image because its attempting to demonstrate causality that doesn't exist. Homicide is more closely linked to socioeconomic factors than the regulatory control of firearm ownership, but that is a complex relationship that is a lot more difficult to discuss than LOLguns. Most people find it easier to say and believe 'more/less guns will solve the crime problem!' instead. It's not at all a tautology that increased firearms ownership is strongly correlated with increased gun homicides(see also: the NRAs apparent claims to the contrary in the context giving paragraph that you deliberately removed when quoting me).
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# ? Feb 26, 2014 20:16 |
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Okay, so here's the conversation so far. The guy in yellow (whose name keeps changing because he keeps posting something new and I have to re-anyomize to keep up with) is my main "debate" opponent. He's an old friend of mine from high school (to be fair, we're only a few years out of high school). Relevant point: it was a "philosophical" charter school, and a couple of the teachers basically taught a bizarre form of moralistic libertarianism. No, I don't know how that works. There's a bit at the end where he asks for help from one of the teachers, but I didn't feel like including it. Also, if the images are too large, please let me know how to make them smaller.
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# ? Feb 26, 2014 20:16 |
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Just like you pay a fee to the power company for your electricity, taxes are the fee you pay to the government for society.
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# ? Feb 26, 2014 20:18 |
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duz posted:Just like you pay a fee to the power company for your electricity, taxes are the fee you pay to the government for society. B-but MAH CONSENT! Seriously though, I pointed out that most people consent to taxes as a necessary thing. My friend didn't care.
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Ron Jeremy posted:Rights are endowed by the creator and governments are formed only to protect them. If someone were to actually say this, I wouldn't disagree and I don't think it contradicts the argument. quote:Just like you pay a fee to the power company for your electricity, taxes are the fee you pay to the government for society. Now this one, I'm not sure would be convincing, because libertarians argue they're not allowed to disconnect themselves from society the same way they can disconnect their power. quote:Until WWI, the biggest source of U.S. government revenue was tariffs. Which, while they're certainly tax-like, aren't really the thing that libertarians tend to get as huffy about. Hrm, interesting. Could the government, or any government, conceivably have survived on tariffs alone?
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MisterBadIdea posted:Hrm, interesting. Could the government, or any government, conceivably have survived on tariffs alone?
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Why do middle aged family members always insist on tagging everyone they know in unrelated pictures/statuses I got a notification and thought someone wanted to talk to me
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PUGGERNAUT posted:Why do middle aged family members always insist on tagging everyone they know in unrelated pictures/statuses
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MisterBadIdea posted:Hrm, interesting. Could the government, or any government, conceivably have survived on tariffs alone? Not the US government, at least not in its current form. Total US exports of goods in 2013 were ~$1.5 trillion and imports were ~$2.3 trillion. Total federal government revenue was 2.5 trillion, which means we would need absurd tariff rates to come anywhere close to our current revenue.
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# ? Feb 26, 2014 20:51 |
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In Libertarian fantasy land, if you're born into a family that rents an apartment and your parents die, would you be entitled to live rent free in that apartment in perpetuity because you never signed a rental agreement and they can't evict you without initiating force?
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# ? Feb 26, 2014 20:55 |
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Tariffs also discourage international trade which leads to mercantilism which leads to people having no empathy towards citizens of other nations, gladly agreeing into throwing their sons into the meat grinder for whatever stupid war might seem like a good idea at the time.
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I'm skeptical of the claim that mercantilism reduces empathy for citizens of other nations. Also, that said empathy has any meaningful effect on the willingness of people to serve in the military when drafted.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:In Libertarian fantasy land, if you're born into a family that rents an apartment and your parents die, would you be entitled to live rent free in that apartment in perpetuity because you never signed a rental agreement and they can't evict you without initiating force? What are you doing living in an apartment like some limp-wristed city-boy in the first place? Real Americans own their own land and grow their own food. On that same note, property rights are absolute. The land you are on belongs to them, therefore they have the right to do whatever the gently caress they want on it, whether or not you sign a contract. I used to strongly believe both of these assertions.
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Centripetal Horse posted:"Taxation is theft." "Land ownership is imprisonment."
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:In Libertarian fantasy land, if you're born into a family that rents an apartment and your parents die, would you be entitled to live rent free in that apartment in perpetuity because you never signed a rental agreement and they can't evict you without initiating force? Libertarians don't believe in private murder. Coercion and Force are codewords they use to display their antipathy for Democracy and the Rule of Law.
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Mo_Steel posted:It's not at all a tautology that increased firearms ownership is strongly correlated with increased gun homicides(see also: the NRAs apparent claims to the contrary in the context giving paragraph that you deliberately removed when quoting me). Remember, sometimes the red text is there for a reason, LeJackel has this habit of believing that the only way to keep us men Instead of...you know, ending rape culture and fighting against misogyny. That'd require actual effort.
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duz posted:Just like you pay a fee to the power company for your electricity, taxes are the fee you pay to the government for society.
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