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Snak posted:Of course all departments should be working together to make a consistent and coherent film  Here's a related one that always gets me: camera dept always throw a hissy about prac lamps on set and insist that the art department buy the bulbs for them, that they specifically order in terms of wattage. Then get upset when we take them back at the end of the shoot because they want to use them on their next shoot? It's a small expense but it's such a petty thing to do. They're light bulbs, you loving buy them! (cunts). They're also the #1 thief of any tools on set. If there was a way to make films without camera crew, it'd be a much better world. echoplex fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Feb 26, 2014 |
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You could just make Rayographs but then there wouldn't really be any other departments either
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echoplex posted:If there was a way to make films without camera crew, it'd be a much better world. like some sort of movie entirely generated within a computer program? that's crazy talk!
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Cerv posted:like some sort of movie entirely generated within a computer program? that's crazy talk! But then you're just dealing with IT nerds. Out of the frying pan, into the fire.
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bobkatt013 posted:After that watch Brazil and the Love Conquers All cut for another important lesson on editing and how to destroy a directors intent. Is there an online resource that tries to recommend which version of movies you should?
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Eight Is Legend posted:Is there an online resource that tries to recommend which version of movies you should? Usually a "director's cut" is a study cash in with the following exeptions - Kingdom of Heaven, Blade Runner (get 4 disk set), Brazil (its the regular non tv version), and I really like it - Aliens. I am sure there are others, but these are the ones off the top of my head.
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bobkatt013 posted:Usually a "director's cut" is a study cash in with the following exeptions - Kingdom of Heaven, Blade Runner (get 4 disk set), Brazil (its the regular non tv version), and I really like it - Aliens. I am sure there are others, but these are the ones off the top of my head. Isn't there a director's cut of Heaven's Gate that is supposed to be pretty good?
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echoplex posted:
I think the term for that is "a play."
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Skwirl posted:I think the term for that is "a play." PLAYS FOR ALL
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echoplex posted:PLAYS FOR ALL Play for today.
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echoplex posted:PLAYS FOR ALL If you want to be happy, plays for yourself.
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Art would be so much better if it didn't have an audience.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V421bF698sA
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Everyone watch this. Orson Welles owned.
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Sand Monster posted:Isn't there a director's cut of Heaven's Gate that is supposed to be pretty good? There's a new blu-ray version and also the dvd versions are all the original release that got taken away in a week, which is the one the blu-ray version is most similar to, if I recall. Every version of Heaven's Gate is good, though. Watch them all, consecutively.
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Was there ever an Elysium thread? I finally got around to seeing it and I'd be interested in hearing goon opinion.
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Yaws posted:Was there ever an Elysium thread? I finally got around to seeing it and I'd be interested in hearing goon opinion. There was, it was kind of polarizing, if I recall... I thought it was fantastic, if a little simplistic/flawed. I basically think that Neill Blomkamp doesn't care about presenting things in the normal genre frameworks we are used to from hollywood and some people find that really jarring. He also doesn't skirt around calling rich people evil pieces of poo poo, which isn't particularly well received in the US. For example, when the movie came out, a bunch of people (not necessarily on SA) said that it was really unrealistic that the rich people of Elysium didn't just share their wealth and resources, because they had extra that they weren't using. It was very hard to try to explain to these people how loving out of touch they are.
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Snak posted:For example, when the movie came out, a bunch of people (not necessarily on SA) said that it was really unrealistic that the rich people of Elysium didn't just share their wealth and resources, because they had extra that they weren't using. It was very hard to try to explain to these people how loving out of touch they are. Are you kidding me? Who, outside of children, actually thinks like that? We have exceedingly wealthy people flat out stating,to people who are interviewing them, that they shouldn't have to share their wealth because they "worked hard for it". Did they think Elysium wasn't trying to make parallels with real life?
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Yaws posted:Are you kidding me? Who, outside of children, actually thinks like that? We have exceedingly wealthy people flat out stating,to people who are interviewing them, that they shouldn't have to share their wealth because they "worked hard for it". Did they think Elysium wasn't trying to make parallels with real life? One of the dominant arguments against even the weak UHC that is the PPACA/Obamacare was that it would inherently lead to shortages and extended waiting times for critical procedures. It was bullshit, but it's not shocking that some people believed it, and that was only about providing healthcare to Americans, not the global poor. The idea that poverty is about actual scarcity, rather than the politics and practicalities of redistribution, is believed by a distressingly large number of people.
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I want to see the clip with Gary Busey talking about The Buddy Holly Story
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bobkatt013 posted:Usually a "director's cut" is a study cash in with the following exeptions - Kingdom of Heaven, Blade Runner (get 4 disk set), Brazil (its the regular non tv version), and I really like it - Aliens. I am sure there are others, but these are the ones off the top of my head. Probably don't watch the original cut of Dark City. I liked it a bit when I saw it as released but film scholars and cinema discussos will tell you that it spoils the premise if you are worried about things being spoiled. I have the director's cut of Blade Runner from 2002 or something and have seen the new one but 4 disks? The old DVD that was packaged in literal cardboard is okay.
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syscall girl posted:Probably don't watch the original cut of Dark City. There's a really horrible voiceover that spells out the premise. Voiceovers are, as a rule, a bad and lazy way to tell a visual story.
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nocal posted:There's a really horrible voiceover that spells out the premise. Voiceovers are, as a rule, a bad and lazy way to tell a visual story. Stanley Kubrick
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nocal posted:There's a really horrible voiceover that spells out the premise. Voiceovers are, as a rule, a bad and lazy way to tell a visual story. oh aaaarrreeee they https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VseQe4TFsg
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Well, I think it might be safe to say that voiceovers that are added in after a story is nearly finished are more often than not bad, as opposed to voice overs that become part of the vision earlier in production. There's nothing wrong with voiceovers as a narrative device, but they are often used when someone thinks that some element of the story is unclear, and fixing things like that should be done with "show, don't tell". A voice-over that's used to clarify part of a story is, almost by definition, the opposite of that.
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In the movie Castaway, how much time was supposed to have passed from the time Hanks was picked up by the cargo ship and when we see him at the airport? He looked pretty good considering how he looked on the raft.
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nocal posted:There's a really horrible voiceover that spells out the premise. Voiceovers are, as a rule, a bad and lazy way to tell a visual story. Terrence Malick.
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nocal posted:There's a really horrible voiceover that spells out the premise. Voiceovers are, as a rule, a bad and lazy way to tell a visual story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwqobj_4LlE
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See also: basically the entire French New Wave
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I just watched Pain and Gain, and it uses non-stop voiceover to pretty good effect.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBNsDi6jI5M Arrakis, Dune, desert planet.
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There's also Scorsese's Goodfellas, Casino and Wolf of Wall Street. Voice-overs have been used successfully in a lot of films, we just tend to remember the bad ones.
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In Revolver (2005), the voiceover turns out to be the villain. If the film wasn't otherwise the worst thing ever constructed, it would be a really cool premise.
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Where did this stupid "show don't tell" thing come from as it relates to movies? I remember being taught it in my writing classes in high school, but when/why have we begun applying it to cinema? Since film is a visual medium, it seems all the rule is good for is to say "don't use voice over narration" which is complete bullshit.
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That's not true, avoiding exposition wherever possible is unambiguously good for films. Aren't films written as well as filmed? Wouldn't you think that the nature of film lends itself even better to showing and not telling?
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Yeah. When we edited the script for Tiger House we removed all dialogue from a scene. It's done entirely with actions and looks. It works perfectly; the viewer absolutely knows what's happening. We showed; dialogue would have been telling on top of it, and unnecessary.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:That's not true, avoiding exposition wherever possible is unambiguously good for films. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Aren't films written as well as filmed? HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Wouldn't you think that the nature of film lends itself even better to showing and not telling?
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caiman posted:I've just seen too many exceptions to this for me to accept this as such a hard and fast rule. Would you mind listing some? I'm not questioning you, I can just only think of bad ones right now...
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Snak posted:Would you mind listing some? I'm not questioning you, I can just only think of bad ones right now... Along with the ones people have been mentioning on this page, the first one that pops into mind is Taxi Driver. It's filled with voice over narration that explains what Travis is thinking, and it works flawlessly to heighten the tension and mood. Following a strict "show don't tell" rule on that film would have diminished it significantly.
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I can see why some filmmakers may see a need for voiceover at times. There is a large segment of the movie going public out there that can't parse much of anything going on in a movie. The more I chat with many supposed "movie-lovers" in real life, the more I realise a lot of these people only get the absolute surface aspects of a movie, and some not even that. Put Blade Runner in front of many of them, and it's all a confusing mess. Hell, put Blade Runner in front of your grandmother and she might not even be able to parse the images she's seeing, it all just being colour and sound moving about in random patterns. My favourite moment of this was a few months ago when a women who works in another department was talking movies, and how she was a movie buff. She had seen some movie or another that had shades of the mayan apocalypse prophecy in it. I can still see her clearly now when she said to me "It really confused me though, because I thought The Mayans were a hockey team? Aren't they? Why do they have a prophecy about the end of the world?"
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