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subx posted:What? Where is that law, can you provide actual proof of that? I've never heard of anything remotely like that.  It's hardly unique to AZ, though it seems to be worded specifically to downhill driving in many cases.
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TrueChaos posted:You're all sperging out a bit much about this... You're not kidding. I had no intention of 
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subx posted:Also people without brake lights loving suck. Driving without brake lights driving in heavy traffic is super dangerous, it can be hard to judge speed (specifically the fact you are slowing down) even for a decent driver. Counterpoint: Playing the "don't use the brakes" game is super fun in a manual car.
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Feb 26, 2014 22:20
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Ror posted:Counterpoint: Playing the "don't use the brakes" game is super fun in a manual car. It's also super efficient! Which is why hypermilers are so goddamn infuriating to get stuck behind.
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Feb 26, 2014 22:30
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IOwnCalculus posted:
That's completely different than just a general claim of "coasting in neutral is illegal" - the downhill thing is to save idiots from killing other people because they are riding their brakes.
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Feb 26, 2014 22:42
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subx posted:That's completely different than just a general claim of "coasting in neutral is illegal" - the downhill thing is to save idiots from killing other people because they are riding their brakes. I used to do it over Grant's Pass in southern oregon. '64 VW, after 30 odd minutes of struggling to get up one side of the mountain, at the time I decided idling down the other side of would be a good opportunity for the engine to rest a bit. I was still pretty young and hadn't quite pieced together that the cooling system of an ACVW is dependent on engine rpm. At any rate, was probably the only time in that vehicle's history it ever got over 70. 
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Feb 26, 2014 22:48
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Geoj posted:Still waiting to hear that scenario where coasting to a stop in neutral or putting your car in park at a particularly long red light is the primary cause of an accident. Truck is sliding on ice trying to stop at the intersection you are at. The back end starts to step out as you impulsively stomp on your accelerator to try and get out of the way. The scream of your rev limiter confirms your fate. Happy?
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Feb 26, 2014 23:14
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rcman50166 posted:Truck is sliding on ice trying to stop at the intersection you are at. The back end starts to step out as you impulsively stomp on your accelerator to try and get out of the way. The scream of your rev limiter confirms your fate.
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Feb 26, 2014 23:16
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Is it really that difficult to understand? No. The truck was the first to come to the fresh red light. The difference is you could have cleared the trucks path if you were in gear. Don't bother trying to debunk the scenario because there are plenty of scenarios where you could get in trouble for being in neutral while driving and I can just present another one. Bad drivers are coming from inside the thread 
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Feb 26, 2014 23:21
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Cage posted:Isn't there traffic going across the intersection in this imaginary scenario? Of course not. Don't be silly.
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Feb 26, 2014 23:23
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rcman50166 posted:Truck is sliding on ice trying to stop at the intersection you are at. The back end starts to step out as you impulsively stomp on your accelerator to try and get out of the way. The scream of your rev limiter confirms your fate. And if the car is in gear, you just spin your tires on the ice and go nowhere, meeting the same fate.
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Feb 26, 2014 23:31
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I've actually had nearly exactly that situation happen on a bike - I was sitting at a red light on my motorcycle (in gear, you pedantic shitlords), car coming up behind me wasn't even slowing down, I gunned it and made a right. There was no ice, no cross traffic, and I am 99.9% sure I would not have survived getting hit by a minivan at a ~50+mph speed differential.
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Feb 26, 2014 23:35
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It's only a patch in the direction the truck is coming from. I'm going to keep manipulating the situation to make it possible. Frankly because accidents aren't really predictable to start with. gently caress it, a goon you made fun of on the internet is going to ram you with a hastily put together parade float with hanzo steel swords taped to the front. His eyes glint from the shadows of his fedora as his cheeto covered face manically smiles. Same thing happens. The chances of the accident actually happening isn't the point here.
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Oh okay so ice only exists where it helps to make your point. Everyone else is driving on dry asphalt fit for an F1 racer.
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rcman50166 posted:Truck is sliding on ice trying to stop at the intersection you are at. The back end starts to step out as you impulsively stomp on your accelerator to try and get out of the way. The scream of your rev limiter confirms your fate. Or you could just shift into gear and drive away. If the truck hits you in the time it takes to get back into gear you are hosed anyways. I'm starting to believe you have never actually driven a manual transmission equipped vehicle before. From a roll getting back in gear and applying power is fast and easy - especially with a synchronized gearbox.
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Geoj posted:Or you could just shift into gear and drive away. If the truck hits you in the time it takes to get back into gear you are hosed anyways. There is a distinct advantage to being in gear. If you want to sit at lights in neutral, that's your choice, but attempting to say there's no possible difference or advantage is idiotic.
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Feb 26, 2014 23:45
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Geoj posted:Or you could just shift into gear and drive away. If the truck hits you in the time it takes to get back into gear you are hosed anyways. It's more dangerous in automatic cars. I thought you would have known that since you seem to know everything. xzzy posted:Oh okay so ice only exists where it helps to make your point. Everyone else is driving on dry asphalt fit for an F1 racer. You wholly missed my point. Like, entirely.
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Feb 26, 2014 23:45
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rcman50166 posted:It's more dangerous in automatic cars. I thought you would have known that since you seem to know everything. Pieces of straw men loving EVERYWHERE, though.
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Feb 26, 2014 23:55
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If I am driving a regular vehicle with a mantrans I am always in neutral at lights. Standing on the drat clutch constantly can wear the throwout bearing out prematurely, and the manual transmission vehicle I DDed for several years had a rather grody throwout bearing that screamed if you used it, which I didn't feel like replacing. In an auto? I'll take my chances of accidentally turning into a septagenarian who confuses pedals and stay in drive. Oh, heavy trucks (OTR tractors, my military truck, etc)? Always in gear at a light, you need every drat second to launch and shift 5 times before the other side of the intersection, and I don't have a clutch brake. So I'm gonna be grinding gears for a second or two trying to get it into first if I idle in neutral with the clutch out. This is a retarded derail and I don't know why I'm replying to it.
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Feb 26, 2014 23:57
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Not so much a derail when the thread is apparently referencing the people posting. My point, which I've already stated before, is that it is safer to stay in drive. Some of you sound like your trying to say two people drag racing in identical cars will finish at the same time if one is in drive and one is in neutral. It's mind boggling.
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Fattig posted:And how does that turn the wheels? clutch in > crank > clutch out while cranking > vroom
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Feb 27, 2014 00:57
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rcman50166 posted:Not so much a derail when the thread is apparently referencing the people posting. My point, which I've already stated before, is that it is safer to stay in drive. God, shut up about it already. It's a boring hypothetical argument.
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Feb 27, 2014 01:39
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Krakkles posted:I've actually had nearly exactly that situation happen on a bike - I was sitting at a red light on my motorcycle (in gear, you pedantic shitlords), car coming up behind me wasn't even slowing down, I gunned it and made a right. I've been in pretty much this same situation. It's the textbook scenario why the Motorcycle Safety Foundation stresses strongly that you should always be in gear and aware of escape routes when stopped. There's nothing that makes this advice magically invalid for cars.
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Feb 27, 2014 01:50
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I do that as well when I'm on my bike. Rotate between looking at the intersection, lights, and my mirrors to see if some retard is about to plow into me and ready to haul balls to safe spot at any moment. In my car I put it in neutral because of what Ken said but I'm still checking my mirrors to see if the fucker pulling up behind me is paying attention.
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Feb 27, 2014 02:21
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rcman50166 posted:Says the dude who replied with absolutely no content No, it's you being the pedantic shithead. If you're paying attention to your surroundings (and, you know, watching the theoretical truck hit the one singular patch of ice you already drove over so you know it's there) you'll notice the car behind you struggling to stop / starting to slide, throw it in gear, and escape. The time it takes to shift from park to drive (or neutral to first in a stick) isn't going to result in you getting hit if you're paying attention, and if you're not paying attention that extra half second isn't going to matter in the slightest. Tell me, do you stop 5+ car lengths back from red lights / the cars in front of you so that you'll always be able to take off if you need to?
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Woah, you seem upset. But seriously, the scenario is only meant to illustrate how silly it is to claim that staying in gear is just as safe as neutral. The likelihood of it happening is entirely irrelevant unless it is impossible. Being in neutral is dangerous, more so in automatic than manual. You have the state of mind to think "I have to shift to move" where as most people who own automatics (which is the majority of drivers, however poorly represented in AI) mindlessly press the accelerator to move. In either case, it means a delayed intention to implementation, which is dangerous if you are trying to avoid danger that is coming at you. That is, as I do understand, the only thing that can happen when you are stopped. Debating the other side of that is pretty pointless as you risk safety for convenience, which is self destructive behavior. You bring up a decent point with be extra cautious and leaving egress space. You have to pick and choose your risks, otherwise you are just wasting time. Whether it's a risk you are willing to take is, ultimately, up to you. However, there is the counterpoint to your argument, you will occasionally have the space to take advantage of staying in drive and egress. And hopefully, given it's fate, it is the time you have untimely demise barreling toward you. It only takes one time to say it saved your life, regardless of how improbable it is. Relax and understand that while I recognize I'm beating the poo poo out of this subject, I can't grasp the other side of the coin and keep talking about it. It's such a simple thing to do and it could save your life one day.
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Congratulations assholes, you've made this thread suck.
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cormorant posted:Congratulations assholes, you've made this thread suck. It is me, the person who you share a road with. Ignore the yapping, I do that when I'm concentrating on the road at 80mph. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L35CK54xcIs I need better headlights. I only caught air twice on that run, this is why I only own slow vehicles, because if I had something that was actually sporty I'd be in jail 
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Can anybody come up with a good explanation for why everybody at work seems to run out to their cars at the end of the shift, start the engine, immediately shift to reverse, then just sit there for several minutes? 200+ cars all sitting in place with their reverse lights on. People are just reversing from every direction without warning (since the reverse lights have no meaning when everyone has them on at all times) on top of everyone ignoring the lanes and cutting across aisles, so the end of every work day is a loving demolition derby for me. What is this weird, lovely driving habit that makes sitting in reverse with the pedals in less work than leaving it in park/neutral, and how am I only person who doesn't do it?
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rcman50166 posted:Not so much a derail when the thread is apparently referencing the people posting. My point, which I've already stated before, is that it is safer to stay in drive. wallaka posted:God, shut up about it already. It's a boring hypothetical argument. Shut the gently caress up, both of you. atomicthumbs posted:clutch in > crank > clutch out while cranking > vroom I'm pretty sure in most cases the starter will disengage as soon as the clutch switch registers that you're releasing it.
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Snowdens Secret posted:I've been in pretty much this same situation. It's the textbook scenario why the Motorcycle Safety Foundation stresses strongly that you should always be in gear and aware of escape routes when stopped. There's nothing that makes this advice magically invalid for cars. It's probably more advantageous for motorcycle riders because we can dive between the cars in line in front of us to escape. Nevertheless I see no reason to take a car out of gear, if you can't hold the brake pedal long enough go do some squats or something.
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Automatic, leave it in gear. Manual, neutral with clutch released (or you'll toast your release bearing long before it should have failed).
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Sometimes I put my automatic in neutral at long stoplights because it vibrates less. I also haven't fixed the reverse lights in the 6 years I've had it. I am the person you share the road with.
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:Or maybe the guy's idle is all hosed up in his noted shitbox and he can't leave it in drive or it dies? Wouldn't be the first time I've seen that. I once had to do this, but in neutral at lights, for a 250km drive home because my alternator was making GBS threads the bed and would only charge above 3000rpm. I felt like such a tool revving the gently caress out of my Ford Escort at lights and then peeling out in non-overdrive D trying to keep that battery charging.
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Pham Nuwen posted:Glad to hear things seem to be going better than expected. Make sure to look for this guy on a cheap Wal-Mart bike as he joins the ranks of suspended-license drunk drivers, feel the schadenfreude. Somehow I doubt I'll be seeing him again anytime soon because as far as I have found out from all the paperwork he's not really from around the area. The schadenfreude for me mostly lies in that he got what he deserved basically, and probably hosed up his own fairly new car in the process, all because he "wanted to teach me a lesson about driving properly". This while I was driving the speed limit and refused to budge to his numerous attempts to push me out of the way. Nothing quite like seeing someone else's hood in your rearview mirror and not even being able to see their headlights due to how close they are.
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The discussion was lovely anyways. Don't act like I was the only one perpetuating that bullshit, either. Here, have a dashcam video that was uploaded yesterday. I could be a re-upload and, in fact, much older but I'm not going to check  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDReBJ-eY4c I can say I've had people do this to me, I can't say anyone was going nearly that fast  Also, have this picture a buddy of mine took in North Carolina:  There just isn't a back window rcman50166 fucked around with this message at 13:19 on Feb 27, 2014 |
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A FUCKIN CANARY!! posted:Can anybody come up with a good explanation for why everybody at work seems to run out to their cars at the end of the shift, start the engine, immediately shift to reverse, then just sit there for several minutes? Sounds like you work where I do, where third shift just sits there for no good reason while first shift is driving around fighting each other for parking spaces. I don't loving get it, you're off the clock so get the gently caress out!
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rcman50166 posted:Also, have this picture a buddy of mine took in North Carolina: I got one of those with a Tercel wagon just outside Nanton a few years ago. He made himself a window, though... 
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Seat Safety Switch posted:I got one of those with a Tercel wagon just outside Nanton a few years ago. He made himself a window, though... Someone I knew had a Tercel wagon out in B.C. with a log instead of the stock bumper. Peak west coast  right there
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