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I really like the idea of a rebellion event chain that goes up the vassal hierarchy until a full-blown duchy-sized peasant revolt. I think peasant revolts need a mechanic that makes them spread anyway; it's both historical and more interactive for peasant rebellions to start small and become raging infernos if left unchecked for months or years. Letting the player see what's going on and attempt to do something, even if they may be stretched too thin to actually hold it off, would be better than them appearing randomly and maybe or maybe not getting an event that bolsters them immediately to doomstack levels.
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Arglebargle III posted:I really like the idea of a rebellion event chain that goes up the vassal hierarchy until a full-blown duchy-sized peasant revolt. I think peasant revolts need a mechanic that makes them spread anyway; it's both historical and more interactive for peasant rebellions to start small and become raging infernos if left unchecked for months or years. Letting the player see what's going on and attempt to do something, even if they may be stretched too thin to actually hold it off, would be better than them appearing randomly and maybe or maybe not getting an event that bolsters them immediately to doomstack levels. A mechanic for prestige loss depending on who handles it could be cool too. Say you have a small county revolt and you, the king, have to put it down yourself that's a prestige loss because it reflects on the stability of your realm. On the other hand you gain a relations bonus with the count because you saved his rear end and did your sovereign duty.
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Feb 27, 2014 14:47
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Knuc U Kinte posted:Sometimes this game is so funny. I'm still trying to get my claim on Byz as Amalfi, but the genius daughter of the empress refuses to marry one of my male relatives. I spend the first 5 years of her adulthood murdering her husbands until her father dies and she's willing to join my court. By the time she agrees, she's married to an ex-peasant leader. Let me know if you manage to make this happen. I tried something similar a while back (trying to make the Byzantine Republic from Venice, iirc) but couldn't get it to work for the life of me. I managed to produce a male relative with a claim, then pressed it and made him the Emperor. But it turns out that being landed took him out of the line of succession for the Republic, so I couldn't make him my Designated Heir anymore. I reloaded and waited for my ruler to die so the guy with the claim became Doge, so that I could press it as my own claim. I succeeded and he became Emperor, but I lost control of him as if he had died and kept playing as the next in line for the Republic. There's probably some obvious problem here I just wasn't seeing, but I don't have the savegame anymore to fiddle around with it.
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Feb 27, 2014 16:56
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I've had the strangest thing happen. I'm (still) playing the Roman Empire, and at one point noticed that a member of my dynasty was head of the Brotherhood of the Holy Sepulchre, and that he had a claim to some county in Germany. I pressed the claim and won the county for the Order. Years and years later, after the family member had died and some other guy was running the Order, I noticed that they had just declared war on Germany independently to press someone else's claim on a county, and they appear to be winning. Is this normal? Can I start inviting random claimants to court and tell them to take the vows, hoping that the Order will use their claim as a CB?
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Feb 27, 2014 17:25
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monster on a stick posted:I've had the strangest thing happen. I'm (still) playing the Roman Empire, and at one point noticed that a member of my dynasty was head of the Brotherhood of the Holy Sepulchre, and that he had a claim to some county in Germany. I pressed the claim and won the county for the Order. I never pay much attention to holy orders myself but I presume this is working as intended. In medieval times holy orders expanded aggressively in Europe, so it should be possible for in-game holy orders aswell. As to your second question yes, if the first is true you can let people with claims take vows and hope their claims will be pressed someday.
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Feb 27, 2014 20:36
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double nine posted:Huh, is it normal for a captain that took territory from his employer to remain "lowborn"? I thought they got a dynasty name assigned to them when they take over a country/title? Only if they take the duchy title of whatever they invaded and the captain makes it his primary title, then he'll switch to a feudal lord. Also:  This is why we make vassal republics, boys. More gold than you can give a good tumble to.
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Feb 27, 2014 21:12
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How are you keeping them all at 100 opinion? Don't you get significant opinion penalties from high ranking burgher vassals if you're a feudal lord?
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Feb 27, 2014 21:30
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Zoinker posted:How are you keeping them all at 100 opinion? Don't you get significant opinion penalties from high ranking burgher vassals if you're a feudal lord? Long reign plus bribes. They'll naturally like you if you have good diplo and a couple of virtuous traits, so the wrong government and harsh city taxes (yes I am a socialist dictator!) will hardly make a dent on my opinion. e: for example I'll give you my Wales doge  And that's with no dynasty bonus, Wales was my first republic and that's where my dynasty has a patrician family. hellsjudge fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Feb 27, 2014 |
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Feb 27, 2014 21:34
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Huh, apparently it's possible for raiders to destroy a holding. Holy poo poo. Never seen this before.
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Feb 27, 2014 21:43
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Pakled posted:Huh, apparently it's possible for looters to destroy a holding. Holy poo poo. Never seen this before. Never seen it personally, though.
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Feb 27, 2014 21:47
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Pakled posted:Huh, apparently it's possible for raiders to destroy a holding. Holy poo poo. Never seen this before. This poo poo owns, it happens if they're building something and you raid the place. Works for trade posts, too.
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Feb 27, 2014 21:48
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hellsjudge posted:Only if they take the duchy title of whatever they invaded and the captain makes it his primary title, then he'll switch to a feudal lord. You gave a vassal republic Greece?  On the other hand, Constantinople does have 4 city holdings, so I can see the appeal.
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Feb 27, 2014 21:49
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Torrannor posted:You gave a vassal republic Greece?
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Feb 27, 2014 21:54
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Strudel Man posted:Yep. I'm pretty sure that's what happens if they get a 'destroy building' result when there aren't any buildings in the holding. I've seen it personally and was shocked enough to check the event code, and this is right: holdings that have no buildings left to destroy by looting can just get completely destroyed instead. Consider how many times you'd have to raid most places for this to happen, (especially on some parts of the map that start very developed) and it'll be clear why it's rare to see.
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Feb 27, 2014 22:11
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Do wrong-gender children get weak claims? I murdered all my wife's brothers (she's okay with it, she even stabbed one before me) but the French are still agnatic and it's going to some cousin. Will my wife get any claims I can press?
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Feb 27, 2014 22:12
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StashAugustine posted:Do wrong-gender children get weak claims? I murdered all my wife's brothers (she's okay with it, she even stabbed one before me) but the French are still agnatic and it's going to some cousin. Will my wife get any claims I can press? The first 3 in line of the trone will always get strong claims, anyone after that, no matter the gender, will get weak claims. 
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Feb 27, 2014 22:17
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Your wife will get claims (strong or weak depends on her birth order) but you won't be able to press them while France is still agnatic. On the bright side, they'll (probably) be inheritable so your heir will be able to press them whatever their gender (assuming they meet any other conditions).
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Feb 27, 2014 22:20
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A few other questions: - with de jure empire drift: I'm noticing that a bunch of my holdings are not drifting into the Roman Empire, for instance Hungary (even though there is no longer a Kingdom of Hungary, or an empire of Carpathia for that matter.) Why would that be? - what's the event code for Joan of Arc? I've actually been looking for a list of the SoA event codes, but they aren't on the various wikis; the Antichrist one was wicked  fun, I'd like to try the others while waiting for peace treaties to time out.One funny thing that happened while attacking Hungary: about 5K enemy troops were seiging one of my holdings, when I get a note from a mercenary band saying "hey the King of Hungary isn't paying us, can we work for you?" I say yes, and the enemy stack immediately splits in two and begins fighting itself with the mercenary band winning and upping my warscore. Pay your mercenaries, folks.
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Feb 27, 2014 22:32
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Huh. My eldest son decided to live with his mum it some barony in Italy just after I switched to primo succession. Not phased, I found a genius lady, married to to a guy in my court, stabbed him, and sent my son a marriage offer. Refused. Gah, why? Oh prestige reasons. Hmm, ok, well I'll just build a castle and grant it to him. Right, castle done? Let's do this! gently caress 
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Feb 27, 2014 23:02
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So how do I get a decadence revolt? I've been the Sunni Emperor of Persia with my decadence at 100 for over a century now, but nothing's happening.
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Feb 27, 2014 23:04
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Darkrenown posted:Huh. My eldest son decided to live with his mum it some barony in Italy just after I switched to primo succession. Not phased, I found a genius lady, married to to a guy in my court, stabbed him, and sent my son a marriage offer. Refused. Gah, why? Oh prestige reasons. Hmm, ok, well I'll just build a castle and grant it to him. Right, castle done? Let's do this! You know what must be done 
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Feb 27, 2014 23:19
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monster on a stick posted:A few other questions: Titles can only be de jure parts of the next tier up - for example, the Kingdom of Hungary can de jure drift into a different empire, but the various duchies below it can only de jure drift into kingdoms, since duchies can't be de jure parts of an empire.
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Feb 27, 2014 23:25
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Something I learned, if you use the Imperial Reconquest CB on the Pope he will become your vassal even if he's the wrong religion. It's a pretty crummy CB, but it does lead to some funny moments.
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Feb 28, 2014 00:03
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Started yet another randomised game, since my Sardinia didn't convert right and by that point I'd stupidly deleted my saves (don't ask why). Started as Flanders, and suddenly, after conquering one province, I was able to make the Kingdom of Frisia. My queen finally dies at 78. In that time I see some of the prettiest borders in the British Isles I've ever seen, Scandinavia suddenly converting all at once to Catholicism around 900, a tiny little Zoroastrian state in Russia (sadly, surrounded by much bigger countries, I doubt they'll last much longer), two Armenias (Kingdom and Duchy, go ahead, guess which one's bigger), two Burgundys, and a massive dual kingdom that can't decide if it wants to be Bavaria or Upper Burgundy. Now I have a son who's married to the heir of Norway, am currently married to the queen of Burgundy, and I think the queen might have been one of the most prestigious people in Europe because kings were clamouring to marry my courtiers.
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Feb 28, 2014 00:06
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The best thing to do with captured rebels is order them to take the vows and send them to fight with the Templars or something.
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Main Paineframe posted:Titles can only be de jure parts of the next tier up - for example, the Kingdom of Hungary can de jure drift into a different empire, but the various duchies below it can only de jure drift into kingdoms, since duchies can't be de jure parts of an empire. It seems to be inconsistent though. There hasn't been a King for most of Hispania, yet the duchies all appear to be de jure drifting into the Roman Empire (at least according to the map.) Should I just create random Kingdoms or something? SeaTard posted:Something I learned, if you use the Imperial Reconquest CB on the Pope he will become your vassal even if he's the wrong religion. It's a pretty crummy CB, but it does lead to some funny moments. The worst part about that CB is that if you use it to attack a King, you end up with a King-level vassal who has a permanent CB on his old land. Maybe not an issue if he's one of those Spanish kingdoms that is effectively the size of a duchy, but not so cool if he's the King of Lotharingia. One of these days I'll try to provoke him into civil war by granting him a duchy and taking it away again and just seize the title once he's imprisoned.
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Feb 28, 2014 00:40
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monster on a stick posted:It seems to be inconsistent though. There hasn't been a King for most of Hispania, yet the duchies all appear to be de jure drifting into the Roman Empire (at least according to the map.) Should I just create random Kingdoms or something?
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Feb 28, 2014 02:48
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God damnit god damnit god damnit. I captured the heir to the Shia Caliphate as the reformed Norse. There is some bug where if you get an Empire you can only hold one blot per lifetime. I just died, and my heir somehow held a blot (he had the green icon that showed he held a blot) even though he wasn't landed. I assassinated the Caliph, and now I have the current caliph sitting in my loving dungeon and I can't sacrifice him. This is on ironman so I can't cheat or use the console. I could have gotten the Holy Smoke achievement legitimately, without gaming it. gently caress<L
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Feb 28, 2014 05:51
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In my ironman game, after taking some byzantine land I keep getting the man himself, the Ecumenical Patriarch, sent to to try and convert me. I've blotted 4 of them already, have another rotting in my dungeon and its only ~ year 1000.
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Feb 28, 2014 06:04
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TheBlackRoija posted:In my ironman game, after taking some byzantine land I keep getting the man himself, the Ecumenical Patriarch, sent to to try and convert me. I've blotted 4 of them already, have another rotting in my dungeon and its only ~ year 1000. You don't get missionaries sent to you once you've reformed.
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Node posted:God damnit god damnit god damnit. I captured the heir to the Shia Caliphate as the reformed Norse. There is some bug where if you get an Empire you can only hold one blot per lifetime. I just died, and my heir somehow held a blot (he had the green icon that showed he held a blot) even though he wasn't landed. I assassinated the Caliph, and now I have the current caliph sitting in my loving dungeon and I can't sacrifice him. This is on ironman so I can't cheat or use the console. I could have gotten the Holy Smoke achievement legitimately, without gaming it. gently caress<L
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Feb 28, 2014 06:07
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CapnAndy posted:Go do dangerous poo poo and hope your ruler dies young? I panicked too early. I think the bug happens if you get into too many wars. The Great Hunt intrigue options goes away too when this bug happens. So I waited a few years without declaring any wars. But anyways, holy smoke, no cheating! gently caress yeah!
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Feb 28, 2014 06:40
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You should really get more prestige for that.
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Feb 28, 2014 07:27
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I might do a Kiev game to try and get Holy Smoke and just sacrifice the EP when he comes knocking.
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Feb 28, 2014 08:04
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So I started a game in CK2+ as the Magyars, and Catholicism is kinda breaking early because the Holy Roman Emperor made an anti-pope, and a couple of years later I noticed this: Is there an event chain or something that does this? Why the hell did it fire for the HRE of all people? It's hilarious and I'm gonna keep running with it (he's probably being to be deposed soon) but of all the heresies I expected them to switch to, I did not expect that .
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Feb 28, 2014 08:33
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Yeah the CK2+ continuation lets characters switch back to their "native" paganism (/zoroastrianism) under sufficiently low moral authority but there are a LOT of characters making the check so whenever moral authority gets low you get a bunch of pagans. I'm not fond of it.
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Feb 28, 2014 08:40
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reignonyourparade posted:Yeah the CK2+ continuation lets characters switch back to their "native" paganism (/zoroastrianism) under sufficiently low moral authority but there are a LOT of characters making the check so whenever moral authority gets low you get a bunch of pagans. I'm not fond of it. Yeah, on the one hand I do like having more religions and cultures in the game and so having all the other paganisms is kinda cool but even if it worked right and Frankish HREs weren't converting to Celtic Paganism, it just feels a bit too silly considering we already know what happened when people thought the pope's moral authority was too low; they set up their own pope or started a heresy.
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Feb 28, 2014 08:51
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DrProsek posted:Yeah, on the one hand I do like having more religions and cultures in the game and so having all the other paganisms is kinda cool but even if it worked right and Frankish HREs weren't converting to Celtic Paganism, it just feels a bit too silly considering we already know what happened when people thought the pope's moral authority was too low; they set up their own pope or started a heresy. It'd make sense if it only happened to people who had joined the faith fairly recently. Like, if someone's father had converted to Catholicism from Norse and then after their son took over the MA tanked, it'd make a certain amount of sense for him to take up the old ways again instead of someone whose line had been solidly Catholic for centuries.
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Feb 28, 2014 09:03
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Yeah, that's probably a better determiner. Frankish Celtic Pagan HRE will still be possible, but at least then only if the ruling dynasty had recent Celtic members in it rather than out of the blue a Karling with Catholic grandfathers going back as far as the game's history records converting to Celtic Paganism.
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Playing with the Historical Immersion Project, and I gotta say, the early year church is taking a beating. It managed to fight off several Norse invasions of Friseland, but then the King of Lothargia (controlling both historical Lothargia and Lombardy) set up and anti pope. Between a bunch of temples being burned in the North, the Anti-Papacy of Ivrea and half of Croatia falling to the Lollard heresy, things aren't looking too good for the Catholics going into the 880's.
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