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Just dropping by to say that I passed the exam in my country to get my Law Degree in my university (you can either present two already finished cases or a thesis; I chose the cases); now I need to pay some money for minor procedures in the equivalent of the Bar and I'll be fit to practice law (now I just need to find a job). I'd like to know what do people do in the US to practice law, is it just finishing Law School and the bar exam? Is the bar exam as hard as I think it is? you finish Law School and automatically get a law degree? (I know nothing about the university degrees system in the US)
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Ersatz posted:gently caress me - yes university spending is out of control, but making it possible for capable students to become scholars and professionals is not providing them with a "windfall"; it's enabling them to contribute to society instead of being locked into a lifetime of trivial bullshit labor. The best part is if you click the link you find that the "loophole" they describe is purely theoretical. "Georgetown isn't doing this yet. But it, or any other graduate or professional degree program in the country, could do it if they so chose." Probably a shitload of loan servicers on the donor rolls thereabouts.
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Ersatz posted:If the 57k cap goes through it's going to be brutal. Yeah this is me pretty much. drat it, this is not good. I pray it only applies to new borrowers.
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Mar 7, 2014 13:46
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Elotana posted:Yeah, sorry for the think tank snark, I just grabbed the first short summary I could find listing all the IBR changes.
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Mar 7, 2014 13:56
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On the other hand, too many lawyers plus law schools are scum
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Mar 7, 2014 14:14
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As someone not on ibr, I laughed maniacally reading that. Nonpublic forgiveness isn't impacted right now but I'm sure it would be changed as well.
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Mar 7, 2014 15:08
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Wah, I have to pay back the loans I took out while I partied through law school. Waah.
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Mar 7, 2014 15:16
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Wah, I have to pay back the loans I took out while I partied through law school. Waah. THis except unironically.
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Mar 7, 2014 16:33
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insanityv2 posted:THis except unironically.
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Mar 7, 2014 16:47
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Only go to law school if you know for a fact you can start a firm and grow it to over 1,000 attorneys within the first 10 years
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Mar 7, 2014 17:03
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They need to just make student loan debt dischargeable so I can get filthy rich.
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Mar 7, 2014 17:04
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Wait, does a JD give you the ability to self-actualize now? Lots of people would describe working as a lawyer as a lifetime of trivial bullshit. Yes, it may be highly compensated trivial bullshit in some increasingly rare circumstances, but I don't think many of my law school classmates achieved enlightenment with three years of drinking and reading case books.
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the milk machine posted:Wait, does a JD give you the ability to self-actualize now? Lots of people would describe working as a lawyer as a lifetime of trivial bullshit. Yes, it may be highly compensated trivial bullshit in some increasingly rare circumstances, but I don't think many of my law school classmates achieved enlightenment with three years of drinking and reading case books. if you want to say that law is an exception because our profession is terrible I disagree, but I won't argue with you. Ersatz fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Mar 7, 2014 |
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Mar 7, 2014 18:23
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It's pretty much impossible to convince old people who went though higher education decades ago that times are different and younger people burdened with student loan debt is a significant problem that is not the same as whatever they dealt with. On the bright side, the younger generation has less racism (*sees the UCLA stuff*), um well still probably less racism overall.
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Mar 8, 2014 00:03
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Space lawyers, good news! NASA's Office of the Inspector General is hiring. (not really spacelaw, but it's DC with a 1-year experience requirement, so I'm not buggin')
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Mons Hubris posted:Only go to law school if you know for a fact you can start a firm and grow it to over 1,000 attorneys within the first 10 years Alternatively, borrow enough to purchase Super Bowl ad time and keep your fingers crossed for a reality TV deal.
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Mar 8, 2014 00:24
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Bro Enlai posted:Space lawyers, good news! NASA's Office of the Inspector General is hiring. I'm surprised one of the third tier schools in Houston doesn't advertise a certificate in space law yet.
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Mar 8, 2014 01:20
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I thought lawgoons would appreciate this. I'm glad to see my hometown providing something to the world. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5KfACTAOPa0
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OurIntrepidHero posted:I thought lawgoons would appreciate this. I'm glad to see my hometown providing something to the world. Somebody posted this Thursday and it was embedded
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I've received a second offer on my article, and I'm having trouble deciding where to publish. One of the offers is from an online only journal with a high W&L ranking (based on number of citations, etc...); the other journal ranks lower, but is in a traditional printed format. If all other things were equal, is it better to publish in a printed journal instead of one that is online only? I was an articles editor in law school, but I never really understood/bothered to look into the factors that make one journal more prestigious than another.
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Mar 11, 2014 03:02
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"Not guilty" Still best two words in the english language. Even better when it is a quick one in a case the da should have dumped. Almost enough to make law school seem like a good choice (it isn't).
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Mar 11, 2014 03:11
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Congratulations! (Yes it is. Admit it.)
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nm posted:"Not guilty" Still best two words in the english language. Just did day 1 of a possession of a prohibited firearm (sawed off shotgun) trial. The evidence so far has been good, in that the officers are full of poo poo. Unfortunately, in Canada, Judges can still include evidence which was obtained in clear violation of a person's Charter rights, which will probably be the end result. Zarkov Cortez fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Mar 11, 2014 |
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Ersatz posted:I've received a second offer on my article, and I'm having trouble deciding where to publish. One of the offers is from an online only journal with a high W&L ranking (based on number of citations, etc...); the other journal ranks lower, but is in a traditional printed format. If all other things were equal, is it better to publish in a printed journal instead of one that is online only? I was an articles editor in law school, but I never really understood/bothered to look into the factors that make one journal more prestigious than another. My main consideration in choosing a publication is this: which publication will be more likely to get read, so that your piece will get more circulation, so that more people will cite your piece, so that you will have a better publication reputation, so that you become a more attractive author if you decide to ever publish again. Nobody just sits down and reads law journals these days -- though I suppose there must be some group of law professors who pick up the latest issue of the Yale Law Journal just to see what's what. So what you should be most concerned about is whether the online publication actually gets picked up in the legal search databases. Mainly West and Lexis, because people who search for secondary sources use those engines rather than other, less expensive alternatives. Like, there would have to be an enormous gap in the W&L rankings for me, personally, to pick an online publication that doesn't get picked up by West/Lexis over a lower ranked print journal. My second consideration in choosing a publication is this (once again with an eye towards wanting to publish again): one of the things law students look at apart from the author's letterhead, the submitted article's substance, and the amount of the author's prior article's citations, is the author's publication history. The W&L rankings are clutch when law journals compare themselves to others. But that doesn't mean that they are the be all, end all! Oh no. I'm sure there are law students who think online journals are overvalued, and therefore might dock an online journal's W&L rank by X-amount just because it's online. But not all of them! It's really a crapshoot! So, what I'm saying is that there is no real right answer. Huzzah! I would imagine your deadline to accept the print journal's offer is coming up. One strategy might be to see if you can extend that deadline by a few days, and then expedite your piece to higher ranked journals around the online journal's W&L rank -- and mention in your expedite request your offer from the online journal -- with a response deadline for whatever the extended print journal's response date is. That might parlay your online publication offer into a similarly ranked print journal article, and therefore avoid this whole problem. Finally: Click on this link to go to a website filled with law professors getting their collective panties in a twist about the article submission game. I've only browsed the comments section, but they seem to respond to questions competently and quickly. I recall other folks asking "Journal X or Y?" based off of particular features of the journals, so you might want to pose your question there if you want a wider, and more experienced, pool of responses. I have a feeling the ultimate answer will be the same as mine: it depends on what feels best to you. Congrats, once again. 
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Wah, I have to pay back the loans I took out while I partied through law school. Waah. Put another way, if a company told prospective employees that if they worked for the company for ten years they would get a $100,000 bonus, and four years in the company says "On second thought, we'll give you $57,000," nobody would be blaming the employees. Edit: I thought to go look at the actual promissory note I executed when I consolidated my federal loans. The note says: quote:Borrower’s Rights and Responsibilities Statement If they don't grandfather in the people who have this language in their notes, it's inevitable that someone is going to sue the Secretary of the Department of Education under the APA for injunctive relief. 10-8 fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Mar 11, 2014 |
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Interest rates went from the low 2 percent range to 6.8 my second year of law school and I felt completely tricked, so I don't have too much sympathy.
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mastershakeman posted:Interest rates went from the low 2 percent range to 6.8 my second year of law school and I felt completely tricked, so I don't have too much sympathy. That's not even remotely the same thing because you knew what the interest rate was each time you took out a subsequent loan. The closer analogy is taking out a fixed-rate loan at 2% and then several years later having the lender tell you that the rate is now 6.8%, after you're already on the hook for the money.
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mastershakeman posted:Interest rates went from the low 2 percent range to 6.8 my second year of law school and I felt completely tricked, so I don't have too much sympathy. Ersatz fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Mar 12, 2014 |
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Mar 11, 2014 23:51
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mastershakeman posted:Interest rates went from the low 2 percent range to 6.8 my second year of law school and I felt completely tricked, so I don't have too much sympathy. Not analogous, nor is one person doing a lovely thing a justification for someone else doing it even if it were analogous. I feel like they are going to get sued so hard if they don't grandfather people in -- this is the wrong demographic to gently caress with illegally.
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mastershakeman posted:Interest rates went from the low 2 percent range to 6.8 my second year of law school and I felt completely tricked, so I don't have too much sympathy. hahaha why yes this apple is extremely similar to your orange this is more analogous to Detroit not paying its workers' pensions, you agree to a certain wage because of a promised future benefit
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Pslf wasn't ever contractually in the loan paperwork though right? The interest rate change wasn't nearly as drastic as the pslf change, but I had done the math on repayment going in and the change on 100k worth of debt was (guesstimating here) 4k or so extra per year, so 40k over ten years. mastershakeman fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Mar 12, 2014 |
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mastershakeman posted:Pslf wasn't ever contractually in the loan paperwork though right? Yes, PSLF is expressly incorporated into the language of the promissory note. I quoted it a few posts earlier. The language says that the balance is discharged after 120 payments. Nothing about a $57,500 cap.
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10-8 posted:Yes, PSLF is expressly incorporated into the language of the promissory note. I quoted it a few posts earlier. The language says that the balance is discharged after 120 payments. Nothing about a $57,500 cap. I totally missed that, woops.
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10-8 posted:Yes, PSLF is expressly incorporated into the language of the promissory note. I quoted it a few posts earlier. The language says that the balance is discharged after 120 payments. Nothing about a $57,500 cap. Q5 Can I be certain that the PSLF Program will exist by the time I have made my 120 qualifying payments? A5 The U. S. Department of Education (ED) cannot make any guarantees regarding the future availability of PSLF. The PSLF Program was created by Congress, and, while not likely, Congress could change or end the PSLF Program. http://studentaid.ed.gov/sites/default/files/public-service-loan-forgiveness-common-questions.pdf
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Sir John Falstaff posted:Q5 Can I be certain that the PSLF Program will exist by the time I have made my 120 qualifying payments?
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Ersatz posted:The Contract Clause only applies to the states, and not to Congress right? In which case the above is very ominous. This is why people become sovereign citizens.
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You dummies. The Presidents budget isn't getting passed in any shape or form. Worry about it when something makes it to the floor.
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Roger_Mudd posted:You dummies. The Presidents budget isn't getting passed in any shape or form. Ersatz fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Mar 12, 2014 |
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