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waloo posted:To clarify -- are you already married? Did I miss this somewhere? Getting married first then doing US paperwork seems to me like it would have been better than what I did, which was do fiance visa first and get married in US. Yeah, we've been married almost a year.
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Also on visa chat: This Sept I start grad school in the US, but I'll be (probably) in HK summer of 2015 for fieldwork, then in Beijing summer of 2016. I will obviously be traveling on a student visa. My passport expires in 2017, and when that happens I'll finally change my name to Mrs. Blinky (I kept my maiden name because I'd already had my Z issued prior to our wedding). In the future I will (hopefully) be back working in mainland China or HK. My question is this--do I need a release letter? Is it worth it to get one, even though I won't be applying for work until at least 2017? Work will issue one, but HR is slow with paperwork so I'd have to start reminding them now.
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Mar 8, 2014 15:44
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Hey, you'll be a whole new person. New passport and new NAME? You can do anything you want in China before you leave!
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Mar 8, 2014 17:14
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VideoTapir posted:Hey, you'll be a whole new person. New passport and new NAME? You can do anything you want in China before you leave! Yeah, that's kind of my thinking. We actually have the original copies of our experts certificate/all the other paperwork, so all I'd get from my work would be a paper saying I don't work for them anymore?
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GuestBob posted:Poor little sod born with Henan hukou. Little dude/dudette ain't stayin' here. No way, no how.
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Mar 8, 2014 17:31
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Yeah, but if Pro PRC was right, being born in China is the only way to get Chinese AND US citizenship (if one parent is Chinese, anyway).
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Mar 9, 2014 01:45
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VideoTapir posted:Yeah, but if Pro PRC was right, being born in China is the only way to get Chinese AND US citizenship (if one parent is Chinese, anyway). It might be tough to get Chinese citizenship if not born in China. And the US already has a well established path to citizenship if your mother or father is American. So yeah properk is probably right.
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Mar 9, 2014 03:09
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SB35 posted:It might be tough to get Chinese citizenship if not born in China. And the US already has a well established path to citizenship if your mother or father is American. So yeah properk is probably right. My cousin is a normal U.S. citizen and his Chinese wife is a Filipino citizen and Chinese national (family fled there during the Cultural Revolution). Their daughter was born in Manila and is a U.S. citizen, Filipino national, and Chinese national. She has three passports. It was a monstrous bureaucratic clusterfuck to make it happen, but happen it did. Apparently it's super unclear what rights or benefits she has in the PRC, though. The immigration officials have all been really vague about it to them.
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Mar 9, 2014 03:39
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I was pretty confident that I could take my new-born child with me to to the embassy/consulate with some proof of kinship and score them a US passport with little effort.
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Mar 9, 2014 04:37
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Hey woodsy remember to bring your kid's birth certificate. If it's only in Chinese you probably need to have it legally translated in Chinese or notorazied or whatever procedure.SB35 posted:It might be tough to get Chinese citizenship if not born in China. And the US already has a well established path to citizenship if your mother or father is American. So yeah properk is probably right. You must claim American citizenship by birth if you want a Chinese and American passport. American citizenship by naturalization means ripping up your hukou and Chinese passport. Lots of first generation Chinese immigrants use to hold out on their Chinese passports and just stick with the green card until they realized that they couldn't get around Europe.
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Mar 9, 2014 05:04
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caberham posted:Hey woodsy remember to bring your kid's birth certificate. If it's only in Chinese you probably need to have it legally translated in Chinese or notorazied or whatever procedure. Will do man, I've got 9 months to plan.
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Mar 9, 2014 07:05
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caberham posted:You must claim American citizenship by birth if you want a Chinese and American passport. American citizenship by naturalization means ripping up your hukou and Chinese passport. Well, if one parent is a citizen then the kid is American by birth no matter where it is, so no problem. Also why birthers are idiots argh even if he WAS born in Kenya his mom is American so he's still a natural born citizen 
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The US Embassy website will definitely have all the applications and list of documents on their website. You'll need to sort out marriage documents locally first.
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Mar 9, 2014 09:36
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Grand Fromage posted:Well, if one parent is a citizen then the kid is American by birth no matter where it is, so no problem. Not that I'm supporting the birther  nonsense, but merely being the child of an American citizen doesn't make you a "natural-born citizen," which is a constitutional requirement for the presidency and vice-presidency. You have to be born within the geographical confines of the United States.
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To be a natural born citizen of the United States, you have to have citizenship by jus soli, right of the soil. You are automatically an American citizen though if one of your parents is a US national by jus sanguinis, right of blood. You have to declare you're a US citizen by the time you're 18 though by jus sanguinis. Jus sanguinis does not make you a natural born citizen and you cannot hold the office of President unless you were born within US territory, including territories and military installations. For example Mitt Romney's father, George W. Romeney, couldn't legally run for President because he was born in Mexico and obtained his citizenship by jus sanguinis. John McCain though can run for President because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, which was an unorganized US territory, and has citizenship by jus soli.
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Mar 9, 2014 12:21
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Jus soli and jus sanguinis both count as natural-born. If this weren't the case then Calgary-born Ted Cruz wouldn't be running for president in two years.
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kenner116 posted:Jus soli and jus sanguinis both count as natural-born. If this weren't the case then Calgary-born Ted Cruz wouldn't be running for president in two years. 2011 Congressional Research Service Report posted:The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term "natural born" citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "by birth" or "at birth", either by being born "in" the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to foreign parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship "at birth". Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an "alien" required to go through the legal process of "naturalization" to become a U.S. citizen. Hmm, I had been misled for a number of years. Then again, I guess Congress had to define it so it must not have been that solid. Apparently the Constitution doesn't define exactly what a natural-born US citizen is.
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:...au jus soli... This only works if the last push also triggers a bowel movement. ... ... 
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kenner116 posted:Jus soli and jus sanguinis both count as natural-born. If this weren't the case then Calgary-born Ted Cruz wouldn't be running for president in two years. Last I heard this wasn't a settled issue and Cruz might well run into some serious problems in 2016. There were even some rumblings years back over McCain's run because he was born in Panama and there was debate over whether the military base counted as U.S. soil, or even if he had been born on the base itself and if not what that meant. The Constitution doesn't define natural-born citizen, which is just one of myriad irritating things about it.
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blinkyzero posted:...whether the military base counted as U.S. soil... Wiki posted:During the Second World War, [Claridge's hotel in London] was the base of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia's forces in exile and home of Peter II of Yugoslavia. Peter II of Yugoslavia and his wife spent much of the Second World War in exile at Claridge's, and suite 212 was ceded by the United Kingdom to Yugoslavia for a single day (17 July 1945) to allow their heir, Crown Prince Alexander, to be born on Yugoslav soil. The whole thing is essentially meaningless. And I mean that as "in essence where you are born is meaningless". If Yugoslavia can be an economy single in a London hotel for a night then why does it matter if you were born on Kiribati, Sao Tome and Principe or Suriname (I have been doing that geography quiz that someone posted a while back)? The fact that the US is a nation founded on immigration makes this absurdity2. If you were [insert aspiring non-first world nationality here] would you rather go to America, Canada or the EU? I have no idea why the US makes it so hard for its nationals to live and work globally - can't it just put "except Mexicans" after any generous immigration related provisions? GuestBob fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Mar 9, 2014 |
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Mar 9, 2014 13:50
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The only important thing is that had he wanted, Boris Johnson could have run for President of the United States instead of being Mayor of London
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simplefish posted:The only important thing is that had he wanted, Boris Johnson could have run for President of the United States instead of being Mayor of London Does the American electorate approve of their politicians signing girls' breasts in posh nightclubs in Scottish cities and then passing out on the floor of a student dormitory? I mean, Nixon did worse, but were there pictures? GuestBob fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Mar 9, 2014 |
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Mar 9, 2014 14:09
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What are the laws in China regarding descendants claiming Chinese Citizenship? I'm wondering if my (hopefully) future children will be able to get citizenship fairly easy.
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Mar 9, 2014 14:15
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No dual citizenship. Why would you want your kids to have Chinese citizenship if they don't live in China?
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Maybe he doesn't like them.
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It's nice to have the option. I wish my family had kept birth records from Ireland so I could get an EU passport for jobs (if you have records it's super easy to claim Irish citizenship, way easier than any of the other countries I have ancestors from), but it's all gone and nobody knows what shithole village they ran away from so we can't go find the church birth records or whatever.
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Grand Fromage posted:EU passport for jobs Europe? Jobs?
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Arglebargle III posted:Europe? Jobs? There are English teaching jobs. It's possible to get them as an American, but it's way easier if you have EU citizenship. Easier to take advantage of cheap/free universities and whatnot too.
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I thought everybody in Europe spoke English already! You mean you could get an English teaching job in a country that's not a shithole? I actually just ran across an ESL job in Barcelona
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computer parts posted:laws in China That's cute 
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Grand Fromage posted:There are English teaching jobs. It's possible to get them as an American, but it's way easier if you have EU citizenship. Easier to take advantage of cheap/free universities and whatnot too. To be fair, most of the casual EL jobs in the accession states are based around holiday gap yah/chasing attractive Eastern European women. There are some jobs involving Spanish school children but they are vacant for a reason (it is no longer legal to beat them). With an MA TESOL you can get on the ERASMUS bandwagon in some places though - although nowhere in Western Europe because they speak English anyway, together with every other language and have a STEM degree. GuestBob fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Mar 9, 2014 |
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GuestBob posted:
It is shockingly easy to get dual citizenship with Italy--one of your parents, grandparents, or great-grandparents born there? Got their papers? Pay a fee, prove you're not a felon, done. I came *thisclose* to throwing myself into Italy rather than China--there are decent ESL jobs there, though on the surface they are typically low paying. But if you can get in at a private  school and you have the EU member advantage you can make a decent amount of money and get very, very fat on carbs.edit: this was in 2010 prior to the economy imploding, so I'm not sure how much you'd make now.
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Wikipedia states that natural-born is not really clear on jus soli or jus sanguine.blinkyzero posted:Last I heard this wasn't a settled issue and Cruz might well run into some serious problems in 2016. There were even some rumblings years back over McCain's run because he was born in Panama and there was debate over whether the military base counted as U.S. soil, or even if he had been born on the base itself and if not what that meant. Well IN CANADA  If you are a federal government employee and working overseas then all yours kids are granted automatic citizenship a la jus soli  Not that being "natural-born" matters in Canada when our Governor General Adrienne Clarkson (nee Poy) was a refugee from Hong Kong. computer parts posted:What are the laws in China regarding descendants claiming Chinese Citizenship? I'm wondering if my (hopefully) future children will be able to get citizenship fairly easy. China does not recognize dual citizenship. But THE BLOOD OF THE HAN RUNS THICK IN YOUR CHILDREN SO GREAT CHINA WILL TAKE CARE OF THEM  Chinese Nationality laws allow you to claim citizenship if you "have current major or historical ties " to China and are stateless. That's how South Asians and Caucasians Hong Kong permanent residents gain Chinese citizenship. They first give up their old passports and then claim Chinese ties. If you are not a HK permanent resident, heck you can use your Chinese blood as proof. There was actually a bit of wave of immigration to China from Indonesia during the 1998 pogroms. But being a wonderful country of 56 minorities, the blood of non Han like Korean, Thai, Russian, etc don't count at all. Harmony my rear end.
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gently caress this guy in Shanghai. Really. All that angry hate I got should just be unloaded on this man. China is so merciful this time. Normally this guy would be easily be on CCTV fodder and have a public execution. http://www.scmp.com/news/china-insider/article/1443498/us-language-tutor-jailed-30-years-sexually-exploiting-children quote:
China : You can be a pedophile and still quietly leave the country.
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Canada declared the Ottawa Civic Hospital's maternity wing international territory for one day when Princess Margriet ( ) was born, so she would only have Dutch nationality.
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GuestBob posted:The whole thing is essentially meaningless. And I mean that as "in essence where you are born is meaningless". If Yugoslavia can be an economy single in a London hotel for a night then why does it matter if you were born on Kiribati, Sao Tome and Principe or Suriname (I have been doing that geography quiz that someone posted a while back)? The natural-born citizen requirement is probably an idea that has run its course. In the 18th century it was a fairly good concept designed to prevent foreign influence from creeping into the highest echelons of the government. This was a pretty big concern for the States in light of the 1790s and early 1800s. In the 21st century, though, most people think it's archaic (except for Also like I think we've mentioned recently the U.S. is not a nation founded on immigration in the way that people commonly think it is. The States have actually been hostile as hell to immigrants for most of their history.
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blinkyzero posted:
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computer parts posted:It's less hostile than basically any other country though (especially compared to any Old World nation). Yeah, that's probably true today, though caberham will about Canada (and he's probably right; I don't know much about Canadian immigration law beyond what's been said in this thread and the other).At this point in a similar discussion a lot of my friends back home -- who accuse the modern GOP of being too leftist -- would start with the "Asia for the Asians! Africa for the Africans! White countries for everyone!" nonsense.  I do know that my students were genuinely surprised to find out that it would be drat near impossible for me to become a Chinese citizen like them. They really thought that pretty much anyone could naturalize into the PRC; it's just that no one wanted to. blinkyzero fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Mar 10, 2014 |
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blinkyzero posted:At this point in a similar discussion a lot of my friends back home -- who accuse the modern GOP of being too leftist -- would start with the "Asia for the Asians! Africa for the Africans! White countries for everyone!" nonsense. Yeah I sound kind of negative, sorry. But as a true America Boo I still worship almost all things America  Asia for Asians?  Africa for the Africans? White countries for everyone? Freaking amateurs. Maybe there should be WORLDWIDE GOVERNMENT and then some plague will occur a la Deus Ex. 
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