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xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Dealers would be fine if they weren't universal scumbags gouging every dollar they can out of customers. Until that's fixed, I cheer every time Telsa goes to court to defend their right to sell a product.

I have no doubt that at the other extreme we'd get gouged too, I just want the happy medium.

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Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


There will always be a market for a lot full of vehicles you can walk onto and drive off of. You don't have to have an exclusive relationship with a manufacturer to do it. After all, used car lots are a thing.

But as is sobbing for the dealers is a bit like asking "but what about the poor local loan sharks?" when a bank wants to open a branch in an area.

my darling feet
May 9, 2007
are truly captivating

my darling feet posted:

I ran over a curb with my '13 Ford Focus, and now my decorative undercarriage is hanging off the driver's side. I can't just leave it, because experience shows it would bounce up and down with my car driving and I'd eventually be driving over it (not good).

If I go to the body shop, will they charge me to replace the whole front, or can I glue it back or tape or blow torch? I hate to hit up my insurance company for this, since I was in a fender bender with a kid in a grocery store parking lot in October.

Yes, pictures are an excellent idea. SOrry about the snow and crap - New England weather hurray.

I was able to snap back on the furthest point of the car, but I'm not kidding in thinking it's a perma solution.



atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.

my darling feet posted:

Yes, pictures are an excellent idea. SOrry about the snow and crap - New England weather hurray.

I was able to snap back on the furthest point of the car, but I'm not kidding in thinking it's a perma solution.





Your car will turn to rust and blow away before it becomes a problem :stonk:

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 17 hours!

Slavvy posted:

Aren't horses terrified of cars because they're idiot animals with no sense?

They're far from idiot animals (you want dumb? Cows.) - they're just prey animals and act like it unless trained otherwise (and even then some). The type of horse that would be pulling something like that has been broken of being afraid of cars. If they were not, they wouldn't be strapped to that thing (or maybe this one just lost it's road card).

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

Shifty Pony posted:

You don't have to have an exclusive relationship with a manufacturer to do it. After all, used car lots are a thing.

I would totally love a "hot hatch new car lot" with nothing by hatches to choose from.

Highest Cactus
Jul 25, 2007

News: Mysterious illegal cookies seized. "Tastes terrible," says police.

Uthor posted:

I would totally love a "hot hatch new car lot" with nothing by hatches to choose from.

I went to look at a Mazdaspeed3 at a Toyota Dealership, but it had been sold the day before. The sales guy pointed me toward a CR-Z and a mustang GT before I left. Dude wasn't even listening when I tried to give him examples of what a "Hot Hatch" even was at the beginning.

nitrogen
May 21, 2004

Oh, what's a 217°C difference between friends?

Network42 posted:


Nitrogen tire inflation was a dealer installed option with a $299 line item on the window sticker.

I didn't do it, I swear. :gonk:

Shifty Pony posted:

There will always be a market for a lot full of vehicles you can walk onto and drive off of. You don't have to have an exclusive relationship with a manufacturer to do it. After all, used car lots are a thing.

I've bought my last 4 cars from a place like this and I love it. takes 20 mins to sign all the paperwork, and he line items everything, including what he's making off of me.

Grumbletron 4000
Nov 30, 2002

Where you want it, bitch.
College Slice
Is there any advantage at all to filling tires with nitrogen? I seem to lose a few psi every couple of weeks so it seems like going to the trouble of going to a shop to get topped off would outweigh any advantages.

Chinatown
Sep 11, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
Fun Shoe
Personally, I prefer a ~78% nitrogen mixture in my tires.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Grumbletron 4000 posted:

Is there any advantage at all to filling tires with nitrogen? I seem to lose a few psi every couple of weeks so it seems like going to the trouble of going to a shop to get topped off would outweigh any advantages.

Only consistency in pressure changes. Plain old air will have vapor in it that makes pressure unpredictable as temperature changes. Nitrogen does that too (because all gases do), but it's a known value.

Gimmick for passenger cars, important for F1 cars (which is where nitrogen inflation started).

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


xzzy posted:

Only consistency in pressure changes. Plain old air will have vapor in it that makes pressure unpredictable as temperature changes. Nitrogen does that too (because all gases do), but it's a known value.

Gimmick for passenger cars, important for F1 cars (which is where nitrogen inflation started).

They tested this on fifth gear some time ago. They can't get pure/dry enough nitrogen into tires at a tire shop for it to have any noticeable effect.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Powershift posted:

They tested this on fifth gear some time ago. They can't get pure/dry enough nitrogen into tires at a tire shop for it to have any noticeable effect.

The effect is super noticeable, it fills the cash register because people listen to the bullshit and get convinced they need to buy the most common gas on the planet.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


xzzy posted:

The effect is super noticeable, it fills the cash register because people listen to the bullshit and get convinced they need to buy the most common gas on the planet.

You don't understand, if you leave atmospheric air inside a tire for 150 years, it will rot the tire from the inside.

Thelonious
Jul 16, 2005

So I assume tire shops that advertise nitrogen use some sort of concentrator? Or are they filling tires off bottled gas?

At work we get small cylinders of nitrogen from airgas, but we're only purging refrigeration lines, not filling tires.

Nidhg00670000
Mar 26, 2010

We're in the pipe, five by five.
Grimey Drawer
Well, I can easily see where the idea comes from. Despite living in countries where all tap water is drinkable, a hell of a lot of people still buy bottled water.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


How about we stop talking about tires, or maybe start a tire thread. This is a terrible car thread, it's about terrible cars.








I hope this makes up for my contributions to this derail.

Chinatown
Sep 11, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
Fun Shoe

Nidhg00670000 posted:

Well, I can easily see where the idea comes from. Despite living in countries where all tap water is drinkable, a hell of a lot of people still buy bottled water.

SoCal tap water tastes like poo poo though.

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

Yeah, they have big, like, 25L cylinders of the stuff.

The best part is that the oxygen and moisture variation inside the tire is supposed to be bad for the rubber. As opposed to the outside which is exposed to oxygen, constantly changing moisture, temperature, road dirt, brake dust, UV radiation, curb damage...

E: Not to mention that, with the moisture thing, most of the water vapor is gonna condense out when the air is compressed, and any shop that's not a $50-a-month operation is gonna have water separators on the lines.

Fender Anarchist fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Mar 16, 2014

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

zoom-zoom
Toilet Rascal

Ummmmm... how is that not exploded yet? I guess it must not be touching the other terminal. Barely?

Nidhg00670000
Mar 26, 2010

We're in the pipe, five by five.
Grimey Drawer

Chinatown posted:

SoCal tap water tastes like poo poo though.

So does celery, I still eat it when my mother tells me.



Behold, the newest Ferrari. (Notice how it's at a loving Fiero meet or something, even.)

Just pretend I posted that dog. You know the one I mean.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Nidhg00670000 posted:

So does celery, I still eat it when my mother tells me.



Behold, the newest Ferrari. (Notice how it's at a loving Fiero meet or something, even.)

Just pretend I posted that dog. You know the one I mean.

Do you think it's faster than the new Lamborghini?



Turbo Fondant
Oct 25, 2010

They're both probably Duke powered, so I'm gonna say the Lambo because it looks like there's at least half a ton of bondo/glass on that yellow thing.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

The fieroghini looks like a logical extension of lambo's current styling trends to their ultimate extreme.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Tommychu posted:

They're both probably Duke powered, so I'm gonna say the Lambo because it looks like there's at least half a ton of bondo/glass on that yellow thing.

The lambo is also done by batshit russians, who we know are capable of this.






http://autobotanik.livejournal.com/38702.html

Craptacular
Jul 11, 2004

Powershift posted:

Do you think it's faster than the new Lamborghini?





I'm going to say the "Ferrari", because the "Lamborghini" is just a mockup. You can't even get inside it. http://englishrussia.com/2014/02/18/we-have-our-own-lamborghini/

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Craptacular posted:

I'm going to say the "Ferrari", because the "Lamborghini" is just a mockup. You can't even get inside it. http://englishrussia.com/2014/02/18/we-have-our-own-lamborghini/

So compared to the real thing, it has the same functionality but has less chance of catching fire. Seems like a win/win to me.

my darling feet
May 9, 2007
are truly captivating

atomicthumbs posted:

Your car will turn to rust and blow away before it becomes a problem :stonk:

So the options are to try and cut it off (it's a plastic component), duct tape it, glue it, or go to the bodyshop and have someone charge me a couple hundred to do it since I'm a woman and don't have a driveway to work on it on my own?

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

some texas redneck posted:

All of the coke I've done has been pretty... white. This was kind of discolored, kind of tan. It tasted like coke, sort of. More like Arm & Hammer than anything. I didn't snort it, just tasted it. I've been around enough stuff to know this was a poo poo product, anyway.


That was probably heroin you dolt.

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011

my darling feet posted:

So the options are to try and cut it off (it's a plastic component), duct tape it, glue it, or go to the bodyshop and have someone charge me a couple hundred to do it since I'm a woman and don't have a driveway to work on it on my own?

Just get some 3M adhesive (strip or bottle, your choice depending on fitting) for auto body panels, and you'll be fine. An overpriced $10 per tiny roll or bottle at any Autozone/Oreilly's.

cyberia
Jun 24, 2011

Do not call me that!
Snuffles was my slave name.
You shall now call me Snowball; because my fur is pretty and white.

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

That was probably heroin you dolt.

Or meth / trucker speed.

randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

KozmoNaut posted:

I was just wondering whether you just went "eh, never look at gift horse in the mouth" and did it right off the dashboard v:v:v

Yeah uh, I'd never touched coke at that point - and didn't touch it until 2003.

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

That was probably heroin you dolt.

Could have been. I want nothing to do with H, I've lost too many friends to it.

I've seen some really ugly coke that looked/tasted a lot like this stuff though.

No need to call me a dolt over a mystery powder found in a pair of pants that I found in the trunk. :colbert:

cyberia posted:

Or meth / trucker speed.

Meth is a lot more bitter.. and not nearly as fine of a powder.

GutBomb posted:

If you don't pay don't they just send you to collections?

Usually the car just gets auctioned off after some set amount of time - they asked me if I wanted to abandon the car with them and forget about it, actually. They told me "it runs and moves", so I assumed it was in better shape.

Panty Saluter posted:

I can't believe you paid a week and a half of impound fees to get a burned out Accord back. Then again you said you had access to pretty good drugs, so :v:

Not burned out, just.. hosed up. Still got $100 out of it when I sold it, and got a lot of personal belongings out of it, at least.

Sir Cornelius posted:

Calling bullshit.

Dallas PD, nuff said. I can't say I've ever had a positive experience interacting with them.

BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm

Powershift posted:

The lambo is also done by batshit russians, who we know are capable of this.






http://autobotanik.livejournal.com/38702.html

This happens in the US too. :v:

Chillbro Baggins
Oct 8, 2004
Bad Angus! Bad!

Driving off and making a turn would be a minor problem, but you could totally drag it up onto a flatbed. Or, y'know, use a $5 pair of bolt cutters.

some texas redneck posted:

Dallas PD, nuff said. I can't say I've ever had a positive experience interacting with them.
A reporter I work with is from Fort Worth. Once when he was young and stupid he got thrown out of Dallas -- was clubbing in Deep Ellum, DPD caught him pissing on the outside wall of the bar, stuffed him in his car, and escorted him out of Dallas.

an AOL chatroom
Oct 3, 2002

This may be in "loops back around to awesome" territory... I'm kind of torn.







The back was full of empty beer bottles, and there was a socket set on the passenger seat.

Kingston, NY

Rugoberta Munchu
Jun 5, 2003

Do you want a hupyrolysege slcorpselong?
Nope, but the Euro plate is extremely appropriate for once.

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


Craptacular posted:

I'm going to say the "Ferrari", because the "Lamborghini" is just a mockup. You can't even get inside it. http://englishrussia.com/2014/02/18/we-have-our-own-lamborghini/

This would look way better than the Fauxrarri if they'd paid a modicum of attention to the wheel and tire fitment. How do you manage to not cover your tire package when you're the one designing it?
It doesn't look absolutely terrible, except for the skateboard wheels, and the rear diffuser. Better than a lot of kit cars and home-builts.
Also, $15 grand for a mock-up that you can't even sit in and make vroom vroom noises? WTF?

drukqs
Oct 15, 2010

wank wank you're a pro vaper I'm not wooptiedoo...
Alright here's a quick and dirty recap of the past few weeks of my car's life... Yes this is the correct thread.

quote:

I noticed gasoline stank for the past two months or so

3 fridays ago the Car had a wiring fault that caused fuel to empty into cylinders, hydrolocking the motor. The first mechanic figured it was a bad starter. He replaced it, didn't help. He burned it out and tried another. Obv just sat there cranking it which burned a ground out. Just *clickclickclick*

Towed to mr2 specialist who said my wiring harness was a disaster. Grounds missing dmged etc. Oil had gas in it. He repaired everything but the car still ran rough as hell. We saw silvery shite in the oil he drained out. Said drive it it might fix itself. **Specifically said replacing the plugs was optional but that he had checked them and they were fine, also told me how going a heat range colder as I had done was idiotic internet nonsense unless you were making a LOOOOT more power.** But did say that the gasoline had probably washed the oil off of the cylinder walls, leading to damaged rings or damaged cylinder walls. Again, I was just supposed to drive it for a week and touch bases with him the following Friday.

Car ran like warmed over poo poo all week, I had to buy this long block before this dude sold it to somebody else. Bought it this past Saturday.

Changed plugs today, just bought some throwaway Autolite copper plugs because I figured the motor was toast anyway. Started car up it ran better but not perfectly. Then I ate dinner, went out for a vape and took pics of the plugs. Then sat down and checked the message boards where I had been posting about this ordeal. I uploaded and posted the pictures of the plugs with my phone.. Noticed one of the plugs was smashed after zooming in. Retrirved the plugs from trash and confirmed, the mechanic must have dropped one of em, leaving the plug with zero gap. Causing the misfire, causing the rough lousy idle and stumbling and cutting out. So for the past week I've been buying moderately expensive parts, including an entire longblock (pictured below), babying the hell out of my car just hoping that the motor will last long enough so that I can get to work and back while I save up some money for the swap.

Lessons to pull from this story? Double check your mechanics' work (within reason,) and if you hear hoofbeats, think horses not zebras.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHrHWwcGhCg




So now I have to hope and pray that the guy who sold me the motor will take it back and give me my money, or I have to find a buyer. Will wait to talk to the mechanic before I do anything obviously.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

"Said drive it it might fix itself."

That is one of the most retarded things I have ever heard, I started laughing at that point and I'm sorry. But won't that lump be toast anyway owing to the silver stuff in the oil and the hydrolocked cylinders?

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drukqs
Oct 15, 2010

wank wank you're a pro vaper I'm not wooptiedoo...

Slavvy posted:

"Said drive it it might fix itself."

That is one of the most retarded things I have ever heard, I started laughing at that point and I'm sorry. But won't that lump be toast anyway owing to the silver stuff in the oil and the hydrolocked cylinders?

I'm supposed to change the oil next week, I'll see if it spits anything more out...

The only way to really know if there's damage is to perform compression and leakdown tests

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