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BGrifter posted:My guess is whatever intern they gave the task did a lousy job of randomizing the buffs. The Brains tribe seemed careful to pick buffs that weren't directly next to each other increasing their chances of ending up together. I thought the same thing. I felt like some intern put in the purple buffs then tossed the orange buffs on top without rearranging them and then none of the players really dug there hands around in there too much either. From my view it looked like Brains actually all just picked the topmost buffs, which were basically next to each other.
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LeJackal posted:If you want to invest that kind of emotion into somebody that you know almost nothing about and will never meet, that is fine. Enjoy it. Just stop trying to understand things. It's embarrassing for all of us.
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Mar 20, 2014 18:30
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I think you guys are overthinking this. They grabbed balls. It happened to link three of them up. That's a little weird but not enough so to warrant more than a shrug. I said it before but I think the weirder fortuitous breakdown was how Beauty was split perfectly to cause them to self destruct. If LJ or Jefra had gone over instead Alexis or Jeremiah then that would have at least been a solid two, and LJ probably wouldn't have been stupid enough to throw Morgan under the bus and throw himself at the mercy of the Brains. If one of them had replaced Morgan than it would have probably completely changed the tribe making 3 united Brains and 3 united Beauties with Sarah as the swing vote. Even the Brawn split seemed kind of fortuitous. If Sarah had been with that big group instead of Trish I really don't think she would have turned on Cliff there. She may have been suckered into all that stuff before but I think she would have seen the value in the power alliance for the next few rounds while Trish was obviously just super emotional. I could be wrong, though. But the thing to remember is this show was taped six months ago and edited together. Sometimes things look fortuitous because the talented professional editors and storytellers knew it was going to play out that way and could craft their editing to tell the best story.
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Pinterest Mom posted:How do you figure the order of the picking matters at all? The number of people on each tribe needs to be the same, they can't just stuff the basket with orange buffs at the last minute. I thought they used a plate/platter to hold the packages. I admit I wasn't paying that much attention at that point because Ithe picking doesn't interest me, only the results matter. However, using a plate you can 'force' the first few picks by setting the plate and understanding human instinct. There are 14 packages, so imagine a set up of three rows of three on the bottom and on top is a row of two placed to 'cover' the top/middle rows and a row of three to 'cover' the middle/bottom rows. Then you put the plate in front of someone and say pick one. It is virtually guaranteed that the first person is going to take one of the 5 packages on top and chances are pretty high that the second person is also going to pick one of the top packages. The third person is a bit more of a gamble and after that all bets are off. Edit - I should state that I really don't think that is what happened. The production assistant being lazy and the editors crafting the story is the most likely scenario. TMMadman fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Mar 20, 2014 |
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Mar 20, 2014 18:48
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STAC Goat posted:Even the Brawn split seemed kind of fortuitous. If Sarah had been with that big group instead of Trish I really don't think she would have turned on Cliff there. She may have been suckered into all that stuff before but I think she would have seen the value in the power alliance for the next few rounds while Trish was obviously just super emotional. I could be wrong, though. Yep. I like the remaining brainies, but I was secretly hoping to see them go to tribal just to see where Sarah would fall. She was foremost in my mind watching the episode since without the Beauty implosion, she's the kingmaker on that tribe.
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Mar 20, 2014 19:22
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STAC Goat posted:If Sarah had been with that big group instead of Trish I really don't think she would have turned on Cliff there. Sarah wanted to throw a challenge to get rid of Cliff. She absolutely would have gone with the others to do so, especially if Tony was with her. She would have seen this as an opportunity to get rid of him ("We've got two sure votes from the Beauties, then we would still have four against two after Cliff was gone. If Woo and Lindsey are upset, then fine, they'll be gone too")
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Mar 20, 2014 19:36
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Yeah but she wanted to do that on a tribe where she had the majority with her. Doing it in this tribe would have demanded her trusting in Woo and the Beauties and giving up that sure thing power alliance the Brawn had. I think the circumstances are different enough that she might have changed her mind. Remember that Tony wanted Cliff gone last week too but he had all but abandoned that idea because even he could see the value in keeping the Brawn tribe together and taking out LJ. It was Trish and her crush on LJ that made that happen. Plus had they lost last week then they would have had to vote out a Brawn and its easy enough to convince Woo or Lindsay that Cliff is that guy without it reading as too devious. But voting out Cliff this week is a public and undeniable betrayal of the Brawn tribe that could have come back on Sarah and might not have had Woo's support. We'll never know but my gut just says Sarah would have seen the value in sticking with Cliff and Lindsay a little while longer at least into the merge over trusting in LJ and Jefra (and risking a Beauty post merge alliance).
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Mar 20, 2014 19:53
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BGrifter posted:My guess is whatever intern they gave the task did a lousy job of randomizing the buffs. The Brains tribe seemed careful to pick buffs that weren't directly next to each other increasing their chances of ending up together. I'm always disappointed when they don't divvy it up per tribe. I think it would be far more entertaining if they ensured that half of each mini-tribe picked a different buff. Granted this split ended up being far better than I expected it to be, since the brawns didn't follow survivor strategy 101 and keep together, and the beauty is ridiculously fractured. Remaining brains is taking this to the end. Calling it now.
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Mar 20, 2014 19:56
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It got buried in the awesome second half of the episode, but not enforcing gender parity on that reward challenge was some dumb bullshit. It just wasn't fair that the orange tribe had to put a girl on the pole all three rounds, nor was it at all surprising when they couldn't handle dudes with at least 50 pounds on them trying to muscle them around.
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Mar 20, 2014 22:58
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CapnAndy posted:It got buried in the awesome second half of the episode, but not enforcing gender parity on that reward challenge was some dumb bullshit. It just wasn't fair that the orange tribe had to put a girl on the pole all three rounds, nor was it at all surprising when they couldn't handle dudes with at least 50 pounds on them trying to muscle them around. I don't think they were forced to at all. It was two men and one woman, and orange just decided to put a woman on the pole under the whole "offense is the best defense" sort of thing. That or they saw Cliffy there in round 2 and basically conceded that one in hopes of him not competing in the third round edit: Ooh, just checked and Spencer/Jeremiah are the only two guys on orange at all. That makes it trickier and probably explains why they didn't seem to be trying too hard in the second round, to save up for the third round after their women won round 1.
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Mar 20, 2014 23:26
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Those physical challenges are usually the best because people get angry and worked up about stuff. Cliff ruined it. 
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Mar 20, 2014 23:34
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CapnAndy posted:It got buried in the awesome second half of the episode, but not enforcing gender parity on that reward challenge was some dumb bullshit. It just wasn't fair that the orange tribe had to put a girl on the pole all three rounds, nor was it at all surprising when they couldn't handle dudes with at least 50 pounds on them trying to muscle them around. There were likely a lot more rounds than what they showed. The show has a long history of challenges that go on a bunch of rounds but they edit it down to the same result with less rounds.
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Juanito posted:Those physical challenges are usually the best because people get angry and worked up about stuff. I wonder if he is ticklish.
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Mar 21, 2014 00:08
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BGrifter posted:There were likely a lot more rounds than what they showed. The show has a long history of challenges that go on a bunch of rounds but they edit it down to the same result with less rounds.
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Mar 21, 2014 00:44
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CapnAndy posted:Two of the three rounds they showed was still 2 girls and 1 guy against 2 guys and 1 girl though, which isn't very fair at all even if there were other rounds when that wasn't the case. I think they were allowed to choose where to allocate their girls/guys. One team just chose very poorly.
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Mar 21, 2014 00:56
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CapnAndy posted:Two of the three rounds they showed was still 2 girls and 1 guy against 2 guys and 1 girl though, which isn't very fair at all even if there were other rounds when that wasn't the case. That wasn't the case in any round: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zcb6j2OU8yw Round 1 was Tasha/Morgan/Sarah vs Lindsey/Trish/Jefra (3 girls v 3 girls) Round 2 was Alexis/Spencer/Jeremiah vs Cliff/LJ/Trish (2 guys, 1 girl) Round 3 was Sarah/Spencer/Jeremiah vs Cliff/Lindsey/Tony (2 guys, 1 girl)
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Poque posted:That wasn't the case in any round: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zcb6j2OU8yw
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For what it's worth I thought it was really bizarre at first when I saw a man on one pole and a woman on the other. Took me a sec to get it straight since Probst didn't introduce teams all at once, he introduced each half of the competition.
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Hey, someone on the brains tribe actually used their brains in a challenge and it worked. Getting the two guys up front was what they needed. They would have been demolished without that. Woo looked more surprised and devastated that Cliff was voted out than Cliff himself did, haha. How long until a full merge, do you guys think?
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Metropolis posted:How long until a full merge, do you guys think? I think they do it at 11 like philippines. edit: I think anywhere from 9-12 is interesting. I think the longer it is till merge the better it is for the brain tribe.
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Poque posted:Round 1 was Tasha/Morgan/Sarah vs Lindsey/Trish/Jefra (3 girls v 3 girls) It was all worth it, though, for that moment where Alexis is flying across the beach and Cliff is laughing as Spencer and Jeremiah hopelessly paw at him like little babies. Survivor Comedy Gold.
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CapnAndy posted:It got buried in the awesome second half of the episode, but not enforcing gender parity on that reward challenge was some dumb bullshit. It just wasn't fair that the orange tribe had to put a girl on the pole all three rounds, nor was it at all surprising when they couldn't handle dudes with at least 50 pounds on them trying to muscle them around. Isn't that par for the course of the silly school fun fair type stuff they always do? I've never really been into the challenges on Survivor. They spend so much episode time on them and the best you're going to get is someone making a crack, or someone eating pizza on the sidelines.
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Spencer sure is getting a lot of credit in this thread for figuring out such a no-brainer situation  He's so smart that it took him halfway through the challenge to realize what the other team figured out before it even began
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Mar 21, 2014 04:28
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blue squares posted:Spencer sure is getting a lot of credit in this thread for figuring out such a no-brainer situation Seriously, the guys should have been in the front from the start because that's where all the power is going to be focused. The back doesn't really do much except continue the momentum that the front starts, both backwards and forwards.
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Mar 21, 2014 04:37
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blue squares posted:Spencer sure is getting a lot of credit in this thread for figuring out such a no-brainer situation In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king.
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blue squares posted:Spencer sure is getting a lot of credit in this thread for figuring out such a no-brainer situation It's less the positioning I was giving him credit for and more just surprising physical strength and ability in the challenges so far. He's a lot more capable than I would have ever imagined before the season started, and it's been masked by equally poor performances from J'Tia and others. I was expecting him to be a Cochran 1.0 in challenges. I do think the Brains tribe have been getting a bit of an unfair ride though. They were saddled with one of the worst challenge competitors in Survivor history. Take J'Tia out of the picture and I think you end up with a pretty average tribe. Nothing spectacular, but a middle of the road unoffensive win some/lose some sort of group. This whole "smart people are automatically good at puzzles" meme needs to die too. Even Probst likes to shout it out in challenges when it's been proven false many seasons ago. If intelligence had much of a bearing on puzzle performance David from Redemption Island would have smoked them and Boston Rob would be terrible at them.
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BGrifter posted:It's less the positioning I was giving him credit for and more just surprising physical strength and ability in the challenges so far. He's a lot more capable than I would have ever imagined before the season started, and it's been masked by equally poor performances from J'Tia and others. I was expecting him to be a Cochran 1.0 in challenges. He was never going to be a Cochran 1.0 challenge wise. All you needed to see to figure that out was his topless photo shot in the preseason promotional material, where you can clearly see actual muscle definition; and his bio where he said he was captain of his high school track team.
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Cliff just seemed like the perfect person to ride to the end and then sit next to and beat. You wouldn't even have the "well you brought this awful person to the end, gently caress you!!!" backlash you typically get for that type of game because Cliff seemed to be a nice guy that everyone liked who they might even vote for if he wasn't perceived as having tens of millions of dollars by the rest of the tribe. Like maybe if you, yourself, are an unlikeable person, I could see getting Cliff off the show, but that move is so far down the line that it can't be thought of yet. Oh well. I hope they bring him back in a future season.
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Rick posted:Cliff just seemed like the perfect person to ride to the end and then sit next to and beat. You wouldn't even have the "well you brought this awful person to the end, gently caress you!!!" backlash you typically get for that type of game because Cliff seemed to be a nice guy that everyone liked who they might even vote for if he wasn't perceived as having tens of millions of dollars by the rest of the tribe. Like maybe if you, yourself, are an unlikeable person, I could see getting Cliff off the show, but that move is so far down the line that it can't be thought of yet. Oh well. I hope they bring him back in a future season. he was and that's why Woo was the biggest threat there. They missed the forest for the trees with the decision on Wednesday.
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BGrifter posted:I do think the Brains tribe have been getting a bit of an unfair ride though. They were saddled with one of the worst challenge competitors in Survivor history. Take J'Tia out of the picture and I think you end up with a pretty average tribe. Nothing spectacular, but a middle of the road unoffensive win some/lose some sort of group.
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BGrifter posted:I do think the Brains tribe have been getting a bit of an unfair ride though. They were saddled with one of the worst challenge competitors in Survivor history. Take J'Tia out of the picture and I think you end up with a pretty average tribe. Nothing spectacular, but a middle of the road unoffensive win some/lose some sort of group. They had every opportunity to get rid of her and every reason to do so, she was a bossy moron right out the gate and was awful at challenges. They made their own bed on that one.
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To be fair, the non-J'Tia Brains have won both times there's been a head to head puzzle competition
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Toaster Ding posted:To be fair, the non-J'Tia Brains have won both times there's been a head to head puzzle competition Well every time J'Tia got to a puzzle she was confused because there was no fire to dump the pieces in.
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The only aspect of intelligence survivor puzzles really test is spatial reasoning, and that's not something that's really associated with "smart people" in general. Because of this, I'd suspect that artists (on average) would be better at survivor puzzles than, say, professors of engineering.
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Engineering prof is a bad example, but a lawyer, programmer, business executive, or MLB general manager wouldn't necessarily be expected to do puzzles well. Auto mechanics should ace them. Also, I think the composition of the Brains tribe was really flawed. They had positions of prestige (lawyer! poker player!), but those professions don't necessarily require you to be smart. I was honestly floored that their average IQ was so low. Since IQ tests spatial reasoning ability, a brainy tribe with a high average IQ really should be good at those stupid goddamn puzzles.
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Propaganda Machine posted:Engineering prof is a bad example, but a lawyer, programmer, business executive, or MLB general manager wouldn't necessarily be expected to do puzzles well. Auto mechanics should ace them. I used engineering professor as an example because my undergrad was in electrical engineering and didn't really involve much in the way of spatial reasoning. I'd say that the same is true for most engineering disciplines with the exception of mechanical engineering (and possibly some aspects of civil). Their average IQ was 130, which puts them in approximately the top 2%. While not super high, that's not exactly shabby (their average would qualify for MENSA for example).
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IQ is pretty pointless and widely misunderstood anyway
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Fast Luck posted:Well maybe they should have found a way to vote her out then. Of course. I've just been hearing a lot of "worst challenge tribe ever" and the like, I think that's excessive. They're a pretty average tribe with one outlier.
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blue squares posted:IQ is pretty pointless and widely misunderstood anyway It's a metric, and it seems to be very reliable and predictive of a whole bunch of stuff. It's just too bad that they haven't renamed it; intelligence theory has gone a long, long way since the IQ test was devised. It's worth noting that you'll never ever take a legit "IQ test;" look at the comparison chart on the right for the major ones and how they differ between individuals. It's highly tenuous, but it's not psudoscience. Probst was right on when he said that there needs to be a lower bound on the IQ they'll allow for contestants, which is part of why I thought the average for Brains sounded low. Now I just want to know what the lower bound is and, out of schadenfreudian curiosity, who the gently caress was it in South Pacific, and HOW stupid ARE they? Because I'm a meanie monster. That said, anybody who ever brags about their IQ either has Asperger's, or has no idea what they're talking about.
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Propaganda Machine posted:It's a metric, and it seems to be very reliable and predictive of a whole bunch of stuff. It's just too bad that they haven't renamed it; intelligence theory has gone a long, long way since the IQ test was devised. It's worth noting that you'll never ever take a legit "IQ test;" look at the comparison chart on the right for the major ones and how they differ between individuals. Ozzy.
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