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TURN IT OFF! posted:What is roadkill if not garbage? Better get these ten tons of flattened skunks an individual grave in a pet cemetery. Yeah, it wasn't much of an issue all things considered (for the reasons you gave), but I thought it was an interesting aside given the topic at hand.
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TURN IT OFF! posted:Not unless British babies are made from wood, no. Well, the ones that are witches are.
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Mar 24, 2014 18:03
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Looking up that tweet there are apparently a lot of adults really smug about basing their lives on a terrible book written by a sociopath and think they would be in the class of people that get to go Galt.
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Mar 24, 2014 18:07
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Slightly Toasted posted:"A story out of the UK, aborted babies, were used in incinerators to heat british hospitals." -Rush Limbaugh This isn't far off from the Republican energy policy of "drill baby drill".
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Mar 24, 2014 18:13
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:How Fox News contributor Jonathan Hoenig made a 13 year old's dream come true Child indoctrination; nice. Radish posted:Looking up that tweet there are apparently a lot of adults really smug about basing their lives on a terrible book written by a sociopath and think they would be in the class of people that get to go Galt. It is an economic philosophy that requires the adorable naivete of a child to believe. I have a hard time figuring out how people seriously hold the bad fantasy novels of a mentally-imbalanced person that were written 50 years ago as something applicable to reality. Could just be that they conveniently coincide with FYGM, or it could be they actually think it makes sense. I don't know which scenario is worse.
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Mar 24, 2014 18:15
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The issue about the Danish giraffe wasn't about what they did with the body, which nobody really had a problem with IIRC, it was that the giraffe didn't have to be killed in the first place. It was done for fear of inbreeding and while there were several zoos (one in here in the Netherlands, at least) willing to take it, those weren't a member of the same organization that controlled the breeding program. In the end a perfectly healthy giraffe was killed for no other reason than bureaucracy.
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Mar 24, 2014 18:18
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Monkey Fracas posted:Child indoctrination; nice. Eh, don't sweat it. Remember that adorable little 13 year old CPAC speaker and how he turned out? The kid may or may not shake off the FYGM values being thrown at him, but getting steeped in RW bullshit early can inoculate you for later in life--all it takes is one Fundamental Truth to be shown as not being absolute and his worldview will crack. What he will do after that is entirely on him. Snoggle posted:This isn't far off from the Republican energy policy of "drill baby drill". Sounds like they're well on their way to an "all of the above" energy policy. 
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Mar 24, 2014 18:20
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Monkey Fracas posted:Child indoctrination; nice. Everyone wants to think they'd be Gandalf, Galadriel, Frodo, or whoever when you read a fantasy book and not some nameless jerk that gets offed in the Battle of Five armies and no one cared. It's the same way for a fantasy book about superhero capitalists where Rand fans thing they're going to be giving a three hour speech before leaving everyone else to burn when in reality they're just going to be some middle class person that gets hosed because the rich weren't getting their asses kissed enough. I have more respect for people that have Lord of the Rings themed weddings since at least they probably know it's a fantasy and just are glad to pretend instead of trying to get the world to conform to their imagination. OAquinas posted:Eh, don't sweat it. Remember that adorable little 13 year old CPAC speaker and how he turned out? That CPAC kid realizing he was being used as a tool and doing a 180 was the political feel good story of the year.
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Mar 24, 2014 18:24
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Radish posted:Looking up that tweet there are apparently a lot of adults really smug about basing their lives on a terrible book written by a sociopath and think they would be in the class of people that get to go Galt. The best part is the books even show you what happens to you if you're a moral person with perfect Objectivist views but you're not smart enough to be a Superman. You die of exposure when the train you took on the responsibility of running breaks down in the desert, and none of your lifelong friends whom you served with such devotion gives a poo poo about what happens to you or even thinks to ask what became of you, because they are Industrialist Heroes and you're just their lowly right-hand-man.
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Mar 24, 2014 18:26
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VitalSigns posted:The best part is the books even show you what happens to you if you're a moral person with perfect Objectivist views but you're not smart enough to be a Superman. I read in another thread every person on that train was a symbol for someone that Rand hated so who does bootlicker Objectivist stand for?
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Mar 24, 2014 18:36
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BiggerBoat posted:This one. That's no URL
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Mar 24, 2014 18:42
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:How Fox News contributor Jonathan Hoenig made a 13 year old's dream come true Don't worry in 12 years he'll be a liberal. It's generally what happens to those who espouse views like that. See, the one kid who was the "star" at CPAC a few years a go.
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Mar 24, 2014 18:46
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Radish posted:I read in another thread every person on that train was a symbol for someone that Rand hated so who does bootlicker Objectivist stand for? Different train. The tunnel disaster killed strawmen that Rand hated. Eddie Willers was supposed to represent the average man with the Right Morality but without the genius ability of the Job Creators to Create railroads and jobs and apple pie. When the rich get tired of paying taxes and go Galt, he is left to survive as best he can (and dies in a stranded locomotive). Since he's an untermensch, no one invites him to Galt's Gulch even though he grew up with the heroes and was the heroine's most trusted and dependable assistant for the entire novel, and the heroine has an opportunity to do so but is like "Nah". I guess lifelong friendship wasn't good enough if he couldn't make her enough sweet sweet gold. Rand said he was supposed to represent the average man who perishes without the Creators and whom no one gives a poo poo about. Rand specifically put in a character to cover Radish's observation above about how most people think they'd be Gandalf but just end up some nameless casualty, and she embraced that wholeheartedly, but the people who fall for Objectivism still don't get it. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Mar 24, 2014 |
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Mar 24, 2014 18:50
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Slightly Toasted posted:"Apparently solar panels and wind farms aren't enough anymore for these middleists and liberals" -Rush Limbaugh Oh God, is that a real quote? I can't tell anymore. 
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Mar 24, 2014 18:54
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VitalSigns posted:Different train. The tunnel disaster killed strawmen that Rand hated. I guess I have to respect someone just a little that makes her evil dreams totally clear and yet the people that die in her hellish utopia still laud her as a genius. Since I never read the book and always assumed that the Galters brought along a caravan of followers to take care of them, now I have to ask how they survived afterwards since I assume they didn't know how to farm land, make houses, or whatever.
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Mar 24, 2014 19:04
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They're geniuses, they can do anything, why is this so hard for you to understand? 
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Mar 24, 2014 19:07
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Radish posted:Since I never read the book and always assumed that the Galters brought along a caravan of followers to take care of them, now I have to ask how they survived afterwards since I assume they didn't know how to farm land, make houses, or whatever. They invent a perpetual motion machine that provides them limitless energy. No, really.
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Mar 24, 2014 19:08
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PerniciousKnid posted:They're geniuses, they can do anything, why is this so hard for you to understand? Because I'm an untermensch  .Chantilly Say posted:They invent a perpetual motion machine that provides them limitless energy. Christ it's like if the creator of Stardust the Super Wizard spawned a political party although at least he was a hero. What a hackneyed, poo poo ending (that still doesn't explain how they grow food, get clean water, or defend themselves from the army of starving poors with what I assume is the remnants of the US military).
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Radish posted:I guess I have to respect someone just a little that makes her evil dreams totally clear and yet the people that die in her hellish utopia still laud her as a genius. Outside of the perpetual motion machine mentioned above, every genius industrialist happens to have a hobby that coincides with basic necessities (farming, cooking, presumably waste management, etc) which is how Galt's Gulch manages it's day-to-day living. Yes, really.
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Mar 24, 2014 19:12
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PerniciousKnid posted:Oh God, is that a real quote? I can't tell anymore. One of the new Toyotas in... I think LA? Is literally being powered by human waste. They're taking the output from the sewage system and reprocessing it into hydrogen for fuel cells. Science finally finds a use for Rush Limbaugh, film at 11. While I'm all for electric, I like the concept of hydrogen power via this method because reprocessing what we would otherwise just be pouring into the oceans to rot is always a good thing. Tackling pollution and environmental damage from multiple angles at once.
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Slightly Toasted posted:"A story out of the UK, aborted babies, were used in incinerators to heat british hospitals." -Rush Limbaugh
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Radish posted:I guess I have to respect someone just a little that makes her evil dreams totally clear and yet the people that die in her hellish utopia still laud her as a genius. In-universe answer: quote:"Francisco d'Anconia picked up the hoe, observing the sunlight glisten on the smooth blue-green metal. The surface was unscratched, unmarked, not even a ripple betrayed its humble origins of rust-coloured ore. It was the best-forged hoe he had ever seen. It was Rearden Metal, the miracle metal that the looters could steal but could not create. 
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Mar 24, 2014 19:33
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:How Fox News contributor Jonathan Hoenig made a 13 year old's dream come true 13 year old playground punching bag. What am I saying he's probably homeschooled.
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Mar 24, 2014 19:38
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"Jared what have I told you about not sharing playground equipment with other students?" "As a self-made capitalist ubermensch I have moral obligation to share the playground equipment with these low-life welfare leeches!"
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VitalSigns posted:In-universe answer: I can't tell exactly how much of this you made up.
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Its not word-for-word but... its an accurate summation of the book.Radish posted:Because I'm an untermensch The Gulch is also in the middle of the Rocky mountains in an location you can only get to by small private plane. And, just in case The Poors learn how to fly, they have a magic cloaking device that hides the runway and town from being seen by air. Seriously.
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Mar 24, 2014 20:36
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Monkey Fracas posted:I can't tell exactly how much of this you made up. I got 2/3 of the way through before I realized my ability to identify satire is dead.
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Slaan posted:Its not word-for-word but... its an accurate summation of the book. So in other words, the only way going Galt is an actual option is if some genius, billionaire industrialist types find some way to do magic. I'm honestly not surprised.
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Mar 24, 2014 20:52
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Does she really refer to ordinary people as looters? I always thought that was lefties being sarcastic.
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Chantilly Say posted:One of them steals a perpetual motion machine he designed while working under contract for a company whose owners he had no respect for that provides them limitless energy. I added some significant details. One of the things I find most amusing about that book is how it undermines its own messages and "heroes". Binding contracts, which are held up as the highest purpose of government and law, get ignored on whims. The very idea that business leaders should have a great deal of influence over the government is undermined by the plot's crisis being manufactured by business leaders who have a great deal of influence over the government. It is a very very stupid book. bpower posted:Does she really refer to ordinary people as looters? I always thought that was lefties being sarcastic. Not all regular people, just those who don't immediately throw themselves on the mercies of their betters, the capitalist supermen. "Makers" and "Takers" also come directly from that novel.
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bpower posted:Does she really refer to ordinary people as looters? I always thought that was lefties being sarcastic. She also literally calls Unions 'slavery' and Union heads 'slavers.'
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So I Googled Galt's Gulch and found out that it exists! It's in Chile (since it is apparently the most economically free country in South America. Thanks Pinochet!) and instead of magical metal, they grow lemons.
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bpower posted:Does she really refer to ordinary people as looters? I always thought that was lefties being sarcastic. Yes, she does. And almost all, if not all, sex scenes in Rand's books start with the man violently attacking the woman, and the woman originally violently resisting, only to give in to the "ideal man's" power and realize that she wanted it all along. Hell, she actually paints a woman violently resisting rape as a gift she was giving the man. This is an actual word for word passage: quote:She felt him trembling and she thought that this was the kind of cry she had wanted to tear from him — this surrender through the shreds of his tortured resistance. Yet she knew, at the same time, that the triumph was his, that her laughter was her tribute to him, that her defiance was submission, that the purpose of all of her violent strength was only to make his victory the greater — he was holding her body against his, as if stressing his wish to let her know that she was now only a tool for the satisfaction of his desire —and his victory, she knew, was her wish to let him reduce her to that. quote:tried to tear herself away from him ... her fists against his shoulders, against his face ... she tore herself free ... she let her teeth sink into his hand." During the ensuing struggle, "she fought like an animal ... she bit his lips... Rand is much worse than the parodies of her.
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Eponymouse posted:So I Googled Galt's Gulch and found out that it exists! It's in Chile (since it is apparently the most economically free country in South America. Thanks Pinochet!) and instead of magical metal, they grow lemons. I moved to Chile last year, I know the next place I need to visit
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The best irony in the world is that later on Ayn Rand ended up destitute in life and had to rely on welfare to survive, surprise! The irony was completely lost on her and she for whatever reason claimed it was totally fine for her to take advantage of government assistance unlike those other "looters". I mean it's a mindset for children anyway, if every billionaire and CEO died today the world would continue on largely as it had before, they're the one that need society not the other way around. There was a really good blow by blow critique I read a few years back I'll see if I can find it.
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Axetrain posted:The best irony in the world is that later on Ayn Rand ended up destitute in life and had to rely on welfare to survive, surprise! The irony was completely lost on her and she for whatever reason claimed it was totally fine for her to take advantage of government assistance unlike those other "looters". I mean it's a mindset for children anyway, if every billionaire and CEO died today the world would continue on largely as it had before, they're the one that need society not the other way around.
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If you deplore the idea of public assistance with every fiber of your being, ironically you become fully qualified to receive it. <--this is an official objectivist position
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I found it. Atlas Sucked. Pretty good review that goes into a lot of detail about why this book is nonsense.
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