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Axetrain posted:I found it. Atlas Sucked. Pretty good review that goes into a lot of detail about why this book is nonsense. If there's one thing I need, it's detail about how to debunk sociopathy disguised as harmless rape and murder fetish erotica.
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Axetrain posted:I found it. Atlas Sucked. Pretty good review that goes into a lot of detail about why this book is nonsense. This is a lot words explaining why Rand's books have been as influential as they are. All you've gotta say is that her books and her "philosophy" give assholes a faux-intellectual veneer to be selfish assholes.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It makes it all the more fitting that Paul Ryan, her disciple, grew up on government assistance and has only held government jobs, but now wants to gut both of those things for others. What's he going to do when he gets to Galts gulch anyway? gently caress up everyones math while holding a fake smile and a plate of crackers? That's really what tickles me about modern day millionaires jacking off over Randian fantasies, what are you going to do when you realize there's only one in every thousand of you who know how to do anything but cook bank books and network? Keep going further Galt until it's the richest man in the world and a banana republic middle manager who learned how to plant something on accident? Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Mar 24, 2014 |
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Mar 24, 2014 22:18
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Axetrain posted:I found it. Atlas Sucked. Ah, a reminder of D&D's finest custom title. 
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FlamingLiberal posted:It makes it all the more fitting that Paul Ryan, her disciple, grew up on government assistance and has only held government jobs, but now wants to gut both of those things for others. Haha holy poo poo I never knew that about Ryan! quote:After his father's death Ryan received Social Security survivors benefits until his 18th birthday, which were saved for his college education. quote:At a 2005 Washington, D.C. gathering celebrating the 100th anniversary of Ayn Rand's birth,[33][34] Ryan credited Rand as inspiring him to get involved in public service.[35] In a speech that same year at the Atlas Society, he said he grew up reading Rand, and that her books taught him about his value system and beliefs.[36][37] Ryan required staffers and interns in his congressional office to read Rand[37] and gave copies of her novel Atlas Shrugged as gifts to his staff for Christmas.[38][39] In his Atlas Society speech, he also described Social Security as a "socialist-based system". Wow, what a lovely gently caress. Also my dad's boss gave him him a copy of Atlas Shrugged as a gift once and my dad threw it in the trash when he got home.
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Mar 24, 2014 22:25
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RadicalR posted:Holy poo poo. And let me guess, it's not even close to being true. It's recycling gone mad innit?
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Mar 24, 2014 22:25
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:How Fox News contributor Jonathan Hoenig made a 13 year old's dream come true This looks like a kidnapping, and the kid is holding up a share of stock with a modern company to prove he's alive. And the holy text of his kidnappers.
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Mar 24, 2014 22:30
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Also I just want to point out that if you invent a perpetuum mobile you eliminate the entire basis for the concept of makers and takers as you have just created limitless and free energy. Rand is nonsense all the way down.
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Mar 24, 2014 22:38
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Nuh uh it's Galt's perpetual motion machine he MADE it and all you takers owe him.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:What's he going to do when he gets to Galts gulch anyway? Lead P90X groups
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McDowell posted:Nuh uh it's Galt's perpetual motion machine he MADE it and all you takers owe him. Whoa whoa whoa Galt, buddy, you better keep that machine under wraps for a while- at least until we exhaust the world's supply of oil and coal.
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Mar 24, 2014 22:49
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eviltastic posted:Ah, a reminder of D&D's finest custom title. What's that, Atlas Practiced Auto-Fellatio?
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Darkman Fanpage posted:Haha holy poo poo I never knew that about Ryan! To quote myself from the GOP thread quote:Paul Ryan? Noted TAKER of government money as a child, who has only worked on the tax payer dime as a government official, who's favorite band is Rage Against the Machine, and his only claim to fame is being a numbers guy who refuses to talk numbers is complaining that federal programs are rife with abuse and encourage laziness?
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Mar 24, 2014 23:29
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Radish posted:I seriously wonder if these people are self aware enough to root for Lex Luther in Superman movies since he basically a Rand hero or do they think there is a difference between the characters they idolize and supervillians? I guess you could make the case that in Rand's imagination it's their removal from society that causes it to collapse but their motivations are identically selfish and sociopathic. I kind of get the feeling that old man potter from "it's a wonderful life" would be an icon in the Ayn Rand world.
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I have to say one of my favorite things ever said about Atlas Shrugged came from Colbert when he described it as "If you actuality finished this book, the world does owe you!" The other is of course the one about the two books you can give a cold that will effect then the most. Oh and I just remembered my favorite one about tabs Rand herself from Cory Robinson I think. "St. Petersburg in revolt have us three people, Vladimir Nabokov, Isaiah Berlin and Ayn Rand. One was an author, the other a philosopher and the last thought she was both but was neither." U
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"If ObamaCare had been in place in 2006, I would now be dead."quote:I saw recently that several cancer centers in this country have decided to opt out of taking ObamaCare-insured patients. One of them is M.D. Anderson in Houston. Outside the hospice window, Herman Cain-616 frantically jabs at his dimensional portal gun, sweat dripping from his brow. Surely, there must be a home for him somewhere among the multiverse...
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Mar 24, 2014 23:59
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My favorite weird Ayn Randism is that the alternate history US in it manages to have televisions but only minimal air travel, and there's also only one functioning railroad bridge across the entire Mississippi River. All of these being necessary so that country will be reliant on the one company that controls the bridge.
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That bridge monopoly! I mean it's not like somebody can just build another bridge somewhere!Knight posted:"If ObamaCare had been in place in 2006, I would now be dead."  Wait he's a millionaire he can just pay for healthcare out of pocket!
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Oh hey I forgot about Cain's website. What happened to all the nutty 'shows' he had? I seem to recall one was about living like a homeless person to stick it to the government. All I see is one Cain "We are not stupid" prep talk video.
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quote:I saw recently that several cancer centers in this country have decided to opt out of taking ObamaCare-insured patients. One of them is M.D. Anderson in Houston.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Oh hey I forgot about Cain's website. What happened to all the nutty 'shows' he had? I seem to recall one was about living like a homeless person to stick it to the government. All I see is one Cain "We are not stupid" prep talk video. I'm not sure what's going on with their traffic. They seem more desperate to get people to listen to cuts of his radio show but people rarely comment on those. They don't even have a photographer, the articles have pictures credited to "ConservativeCatLady on Instagram" and such, which leads to the same picture of Obama in a black cowboy hat appearing 3x a week. Knight fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Mar 25, 2014 |
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On Ayn Rand, one of her closest friends was a guy of some influence named Alan Greenspan. Greenspan was an objectivist and a member of Rand's inner circle known as The Collective. Also, this is the only time Rand ever came close to being right about anything.
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I want to post this again because someone else asked me for a citation, I somehow hosed up the link because I was in a hurry responding to him, I don;t want my post to get buried in the clutter and also because I found the time stamp for the interview (Hunter S. Thompson as an original Truther) that the original guy asked me to cite. Honestly, the whole thing is worth listening to because Hunter got so much right in the interview but to specifically answer Rev. Bleech and this post: Rev. Bleech_ posted:Eh? There any citation for this in Hunter's own words? All Google leads me to is the usual gang of tinfoil idiots insisting he was murdered because he was totally about to prove them right about 9/11 any day now. Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbG5Awb7gK4 Start around 20:55. He touches on it at 7:55 and 12:50 but really gets into it at around the 21 minute mark. Sorry for the double posting or whatever I did that I'm sure break the rules.
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Hmmm let's just look at what insurance plans MD Anderson accepts. *ctrl f "marketplace"* Blue Cross Blue Shield... CIGNA.... Humana... what a lying fucker. MD Anderson even accepts multistate plans! And if you have cancer your insurer can't reject you based on that!
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Install Windows posted:My favorite weird Ayn Randism is that the alternate history US in it manages to have televisions but only minimal air travel, and there's also only one functioning railroad bridge across the entire Mississippi River. All of these being necessary so that country will be reliant on the one company that controls the bridge. It's the Matty Moroun business model in action, fellow Detroiters.
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FuzzySkinner posted:I kind of get the feeling that old man potter from "it's a wonderful life" would be an icon in the Ayn Rand world. You're welcome.
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Eponymouse posted:So I Googled Galt's Gulch and found out that it exists! It's in Chile (since it is apparently the most economically free country in South America. Thanks Pinochet!) and instead of magical metal, they grow lemons. Here's the Wikipedia definition, because I'm lazy: Wikipedia posted:In xeric lands [desert, usually defined as less than 250 mm of annual precipitation], a gulch is a deep V-shaped valley formed by erosion. It may contain a small stream or dry creek bed and is usually larger in size than a gully. Sudden intense rainfall upstream may produce flash floods in the bed of the gulch. No thank you, I don't want to live in a loving gulch. fade5 fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Mar 25, 2014 |
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fade5 posted:Your only source of water is the creek bed, and the little rain you need for crops runs the risk of washing you, your home, and everything you have away in a flash flood. If all of their property is destroyed in such a flood, will the residents of the gulch want public assistance in getting food and shelter?
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Install Windows posted:My favorite weird Ayn Randism is that the alternate history US in it manages to have televisions but only minimal air travel, and there's also only one functioning railroad bridge across the entire Mississippi River. All of these being necessary so that country will be reliant on the one company that controls the bridge. I also love the whole "Well I -hate- welfare and social services but I can benefit from them, since I paid for it" mentality. It's like saying "I despise the abuse of women above all else, but if any of your ladies get drunk and get gang-raped at my party, I'm totally joining the line because I paid for that booze."
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Her using SS is perfectly consistent with her hypocritical views where "great" people (that coincidentally she considers herself to be) are allowed to do whatever they want and only the lessers are bound by the laws and ideals that objectivism contains. The entire thing is childish in a way that eight year olds have already outgrown so when grown people think her ideas are something to emulate you know there is something seriously wrong with them. When those people are in a position of power it's incredibly scary.
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Orange Devil posted:Also I just want to point out that if you invent a perpetuum mobile you eliminate the entire basis for the concept of makers and takers as you have just created limitless and free energy. The Diamond Age is a good example of how inequality could be maintained in a society that has the capability to be post-scarcity. Patent the hell out of the machine, limit the number of them, and sell access to it like it's a mainframe in the 70s.
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BiggerBoat posted:I want to post this again because someone else asked me for a citation, I somehow hosed up the link because I was in a hurry responding to him, I don;t want my post to get buried in the clutter and also because I found the time stamp for the interview (Hunter S. Thompson as an original Truther) that the original guy asked me to cite. It was me; yeah, this is disappointing, like finding out there's no santa claus 
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Radish posted:Her using SS is perfectly consistent with her hypocritical views where "great" people (that coincidentally she considers herself to be) are allowed to do whatever they want and only the lessers are bound by the laws and ideals that objectivism contains. The entire thing is childish in a way that eight year olds have already outgrown so when grown people think her ideas are something to emulate you know there is something seriously wrong with them. When those people are in a position of power it's incredibly scary. The frustrating part about Ayn Rand is that her bullshit is just encouraging people to be selfish. It's basically saying the easiest way through life, not giving a poo poo about anyone but you, is not just okay, it's the best way to live. It's hard to feel compassion for people you don't know. It's hard to empathize with people. Objectivism looks at this and says "gently caress it, those things are dumb anyway." It seems childish because it's literally the path of least resistance, which tends to be both how children think and act because they lack the ability to understand nuance and ideologies more complex than "I like doing this thing so it's good." The idea that people can identify as Christian and claim to value objectivism is frustrating. There is nothing more antithetical to Christianity than objectivism, and yet the American right tends to promote both as a core part of their identity (whether they agree with Rand by name, they espouse her principles in almost everything they push).
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I ended up watching about 10 minutes of what looked like a serious Fox News interview going on about NSA investigating Chinese hacking with only the closed captions on. Then, in the background and all through the interview, they kept highlighting a guy on set slamming a computer and breaking it apart in comedic fashion attempting to interrogate it.
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JediTalentAgent posted:I ended up watching about 10 minutes of what looked like a serious Fox News interview going on about NSA investigating Chinese hacking with only the closed captions on. Then, in the background and all through the interview, they kept highlighting a guy on set slamming a computer and breaking it apart in comedic fashion attempting to interrogate it. :masterstroke: Someone was trolling them. Had to be.
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No, it apparently was some Fox News staff guy doing the crazy computer breaking stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW58N4RrT1A
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JediTalentAgent posted:No, it apparently was some Fox News staff guy doing the crazy computer breaking stuff. Haha, what? It makes no sense. If it was planned, it was distracting me from Cavuto's blathering, but if not I have no idea what they were going for in the first place. It's just  on so many levels.
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JediTalentAgent posted:No, it apparently was some Fox News staff guy doing the crazy computer breaking stuff. Ha-ha. Funny Fox News jokes!!! Venusian Weasel posted:Haha, what? I think that's the point.
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Here's a fun quote from SHRUGGED. Page 205, where Dagny (Rand’s authorial insert character) starts a subsidiary for her family’s railroad company to build a super-awesome new line and headquarters the company in a building that’s literally falling apart:quote:Her new headquarters were two rooms on the ground floor of a half-collapsed structure. The structure still stood, but its upper stories were boarded off as unsafe for occupancy. Such tenants as it sheltered were half-bankrupt, existing, as it did, on the inertia of the momentum of the past. Hilarious. Oblivious doesn't even begin to describe it.
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