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MeramJert posted:Pro tip, that's not just how it is in China. They're saying you're crazy for expecting them to pay a contractor 66 RMB per hour. The reason they don't have anyone local lined up is because local graphic designers probably won't accept the kinds of bitch wages they think they can get away with paying you. I take back the lol  Like I said I still have the files and talking to you guys made me realise I shouldn't accept a jiao under ¥1,500. I'll post them up later in the LAN thread. Yes they bought me dinner a few times but, I end up bored and not enjoying the meal. Thanks meramniceguy!
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Facepalm Ranger posted:Luckily I've not given them the files yet. I think you and blinkey are right, they're going to try shaft me and my girlfriend will justify it as "this is just how it is here" which I already know to be utter bullshit. When I first came to China to work I was recently engaged (but Blinky was still in the US, so I was sad) alone (so no reliving happy student days in the Wu) and poor (first real person job). My Chinese also sucked donkey meat, and all my coworkers wanted to do was go to KTV in the evenings. Conveniently I lived behind a KTV building in a shady as hell apartment, with a neighbor who frequently got drunk and pissed in my hallway. So I started tutoring on the side for money, and went to Chinese classes. And as my Chinese got better I made friends with a random dude at a coffee shop, and his boyfriend, and then all of their friends. And I went to punk shows by myself because the Internet is a beautiful thing. So I got more friends. I mean my apartment was still poo poo and I was still poor(ish) and my Chinese was still laughable, but I no longer called Blinky crying because things were so haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard, man. It gets better, dude, is what I'm saying. But you have to be smart about it--keep money for a ticket home + a few months worth of (for you, UK) life expenses so the ax of "this is the only thing I can do to live!" isn't hanging over your head. Keep yourself healthy. Tell your GF what is okay, and isn't okay, for you--talk to her! Also, get out of the apartment on your own.
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Facepalm Ranger posted:She took the job because she's friends with the head and wants to build a career out of it. Which is fine by me. She's sleeping with the boss. But if she's not, she's putting her job above your relationship and that seems pretty lovely. Why don't you sever and find someone new?
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FearCotton posted:When I first came to China to work I was recently engaged (but Blinky was still in the US, so I was sad) alone (so no reliving happy student days in the Wu) and poor (first real person job). My Chinese also sucked donkey meat, and all my coworkers wanted to do was go to KTV in the evenings. Conveniently I lived behind a KTV building in a shady as hell apartment, with a neighbor who frequently got drunk and pissed in my hallway. The Chinese classes I take are okay. Thankfully after looking miserable for two days then not turning up for two more, two of them we chatted me to ask if I was okay (I wasn't but we won't tell them that)  I want to go to punk shows!  I think I need to go out and do stuff by myself, instead of waiting for gf to come home most nights. As most people don't go out till 10 my gf is in wind down mood by then and she'd probably be pissed if I left at 9 without her especially when she gets back from work at 7:30-8pm most days. I got my back up plan for if all this china thing goes wrong. Currently waiting for the gf at a cafe which I'll also find out how much I maybe paid. I'm going to look into that tutoring thing and those sites jimmy suggested. So it's not illegal for me to post flyers at Starbucks offering to tutor people? That's my greatest concern.
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Facepalm Ranger posted:
Well you're here on a student visa. So yes. This is China, you're fine. But again, NO ONE GETS YOUR PASSPORT. OR YOUR ADDRESS. You are facepalm ranger, just another ESL dude in the wind. Hell, call yourself Whitey McGringo. Just get paid in cash.
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Aero737 posted:She's sleeping with the boss. She's not sleeping with the boss. She did put the work way above me previously. When I first declined (due to the low amount and uncertainty of the pay) she broke out in tears saying I didn't support her all whilst we were having lunch with her mother. I only finally agreed after believe I would be paid 100¥ an hour and some other terrible reason I shouldn't have agreed for. It took a month to get to this point and they went back on everything that was agreed.
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Facepalm Ranger posted:She's not sleeping with the boss. Let me just complete the E/Ning of this topic: SEVER.
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Ahahahaha, so gf has arrived back from the 3 and a half hour unpaid company meeting she goes to every Saturday. This meeting in particular was going to discuss how much I should be paid, the co-ceo assured me. Surprise! It didn't happen, I'm not going to remind them until they ask for the pieces and won't give the files to them until I feel cold hard cash in my left hand.
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Facepalm Ranger posted:She's not sleeping with the boss. Ugh this post makes me want a beer 
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Facepalm Ranger posted:Ahahahaha, so gf has arrived back from the 3 and a half hour unpaid company meeting she goes to every Saturday. This meeting in particular was going to discuss how much I should be paid, the co-ceo assured me. This post is much better 
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goldboilermark posted:Ugh this post makes me want a beer I might start making a habit of flying out alone in the middle of the week to booze it up with y'all.
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Wait til TWM comes back he is a blast and a half on karaoke nights and when Dzeko is playing for Man City 
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MeramJert posted:Where can you find flights for under ￥30? My mind 
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goldboilermark posted:Wait til TWM comes back he is a blast and a half on karaoke nights and when Dzeko is playing for Man City Why does TWM like Dzeko?
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Oh goodness me. FPR be honest with me now. Before coming to China. Did you read the OP?
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GuestBob posted:Oh goodness me. I did but, that was after the romantic gesture of coming here to stay with my girlfriend. I also didn't have much going on for me in the uk either.
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End the relationship, get on a plane to the uk. You're not in a normal relationship, and unless this woman is the woman to have all your babies, you should pick up all the warning signs and call it a day. Or you know sell your labor for 11rmb an hour to her boss, and skateboard in the rain with miniature figurines.
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MeramJert posted:Why does TWM like Dzeko? I'm a dirty Kebab (Ja sam pravi Bosanać)
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Well I'm American so I like Jozy
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Facepalm Ranger posted:She's not sleeping with the boss. Facepalm Ranger posted:so gf has arrived back from the 3 and a half hour unpaid company meeting she goes to every Saturday. You're making me really nervous here...
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BCR posted:End the relationship, get on a plane to the uk. No no no, this is FPR we're talking about. He'll just continue doing bitchwork for his gf's boss while the boss attempts to gently caress his gf at every opportunity, eventually leading to the day when FPR is at home making a toy Gundam do a sick skateboard trick and his GF will tearfully admit to polishing the boss' knob and blaming FPR for it because he didn't support her and he will, I absolutely assure you, wonder "Why didn't I see this coming?"
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blinkyzero posted:Also this guy is almost definitely loving you over and you should, of course, QYJ, as you know. He is absolutely loving me over, but I'm not sure it's intentional - it's a public school, so it doesn't actually benefit him. Unless he just pocketed it, of course, but honestly given how piss-poor the bookkeeping here is I'm sure there are simpler ways for him to embezzle. So yeah, I think he is just misremembering, but that's not exactly a huge comfort to me.
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New Coke posted:...it's a public school, so it doesn't actually benefit him. Unless he just pocketed it, of course, but honestly given how piss-poor the bookkeeping here is I'm sure there are simpler ways for him to embezzle... No, no, this is still the easiest way.
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GuestBob posted:No, no, this is still the easiest way. Truth. It's concerning not so much that he forgot to pay you--Jesus, China, get your act together that this is "normal"*--it's that he's fighting you when you have documentation to the contrary. Print off your bank statements--if you have ICBC or BOC they have the option to pull up all your deposits--and let him know this is a deal breaker for you. *we get paid by direct deposit, but once about a year ago everybody only got paid like 6.95rmb because the accountant made a mistake. Obviously everyone noticed--Chinese and foreigner alike--and blew up her phone, and by the next day it was fixed, but seriously HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN.
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GuestBob posted:No, no, this is still the easiest way. Yeah, sadly stealing from foreign employees removes a lot of difficulties from the act. It could well be that he isn't fleecing you on purpose, but yeah, that's hardly comforting.
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FearCotton posted:Truth. It's concerning not so much that he forgot to pay you--Jesus, China, get your act together that this is "normal"*--it's that he's fighting you when you have documentation to the contrary. Print off your bank statements--if you have ICBC or BOC they have the option to pull up all your deposits--and let him know this is a deal breaker for you. I think the real question is "How does anything happen in China," because the longer I'm here, and the more I hear Chinese people from all walks complain about everything, I have no idea
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Everything is for the best in the best of all possible worlds. Once you get to a certain level in the pyramid it is your right to have your finger in the pie and if you don't have your finger in the pie then you'll get outflanked by everyone else who has their finger in the pie and your staff will get pissy because everyone else is getting to lick the tasty pie-fingers but they get nothing because your finger is dry. As a small person, of course, you must insist on your right to lick the finger. Being denied finger lickings is simply offensive. But wherever possible you should support your boss in his efforts to wiggle his finger (or perhaps even "fingers") once he has them in the pie, because the saucier his fingers are, the saucier your lickings will be. If, if, you you have the China chops to make it to the table in the first place. If not, then you are forever destined to sit with your thumb up your bum. GuestBob fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Apr 5, 2014 |
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GuestBob posted:As a small person, of course, you must insist on your right to lick the finger. Being denied finger lickings is simply offensive. But wherever possible you should support your boss in his efforts to wiggle his finger (or perhaps even "fingers") once he has them in the pie, because the saucier his fingers are, the saucier your lickings will be. Kentucky Fried China: Finger Lickin' Good
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simplefish posted:Kentucky Fried China: Finger Lickin' Good drat it! Beat me to it.
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FearCotton posted:Truth. It's concerning not so much that he forgot to pay you--Jesus, China, get your act together that this is "normal"*--it's that he's fighting you when you have documentation to the contrary. Print off your bank statements--if you have ICBC or BOC they have the option to pull up all your deposits--and let him know this is a deal breaker for you. Unfortunately, it's not really rock solid proof - my own records I could obviously have written any way I liked, and I could have just not deposited my pay that month (although I'm sure that this isn't the case). I intend to talk with my principal and my supervisor, all at the same time, plus one of the English teachers to translate cause my still-fairly-lovely Chinese makes these arguments annoying and kind of a liability. However, I don't know if I want to mention quitting. For one thing, I only have three months left on my contract, and I think they know that I'm not planning on returning, so although covering all of my classes would be a drag, it's not really the best leverage. More to the point, they still have my airfare. According to my contract, they should give me that next month, and if I'm going to quit, I'm going to do it after I get that -- if I play this card now, I'm concerned they'll probably hold onto it forever.
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Forget principle, just make sure you come out ahead of the alternative (which might not be the same as coming out ahead of the way things should be, or ahead of the ideal situation)
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Monkey Fury posted:I think the real question is "How does anything happen in China," because the longer I'm here, and the more I hear Chinese people from all walks complain about everything, I have no idea Inertia is the greatest force in the universe, at least regarding asteroids and large countries.
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GuestBob posted:Everything is for the best in the best of all possible worlds. I'm scared. 
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Yeah that boss guy is boning your girlfriend. I feel like you'd be a lot happier if you broke it off with her then enjoyed the benefits of being a single white guy in China. Seriously.
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Cuatal posted:Yeah that boss guy is boning your girlfriend. Not sure I agree with boss hitting that, but the remainder of that post, so true.
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Facepalm Ranger a lot of your problems with your girlfriend are probably due to stuff you never consider. For example, you're a Westerner and she's a Chinese. Western men are generally well known for being very open, having multiple girlfriends in their life, etc. Most Chinese girls need to feel stability, and she probably loves you so much she's worried you will find another, prettier girlfriend and leave her, and this causes her to act in a petulant sa jiao or 'whining' manner. When she asks you to do this work for her boss for example, it's her testing your stability and giving nature as a mate. We only hear your side of the story, so I don't think it's really fair for you to criticize your girlfriend without answering these questions: 1. Have you bought her any gold? If so, how much did it weigh? (and please, don't mention the Western garbage which is less than 24k) 2. Have you provided her with shopping trips to Hong Kong or Shanghai? What kind of purse does she wear? Shoes? Are they befitting her dignity as a child of the Yellow Emperor? 3. Have you discussed the villa you're going to purchase for her? How many square meters will it be? (Hint, if it's not 300+ you're doing it wrong) In which part of town? How will it be decorated? Take care of this basic poo poo. Once you marry her, things will shape up immediately and you will easily slide into the role of dangjiade. Please put this in the OP so China newbies don't make rookie mistakes like this again by the way.
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Have you considered the problem may be that you're a grown rear end man obsessed with animes, figurines, and skateboarding?
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Fall Sick and Die posted:1. Have you bought her any gold? If so, how much did it weigh? (and please, don't mention the Western garbage which is less than 24k) Please give measurements only in maces/taels. We're civilized people here.
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