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MothraAttack posted:Of course, Hersh says that the White House was kept unaware of Turkey's alleged complicity. This would mean that Turkey 1. tricked an independent UN inquiry and 2. was uncovered by the U.S. intelligence community, which evidently didn't find the idea of a NATO partner gassing Damascus relevant enough to tell the WH. I think we're all burying the lede on the real story of Turkey's chemical weapons program since it managed to support the mass manufacture of Sarin and a unique Sarin delivery system. As Turkey is a signatory of the CWC and is not know to have or ever have had a chemical weapons program, this should be huge news.
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MothraAttack posted:I'm betting, like some other outlets, that Hersh's source is a disgruntled right winger.
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cochise posted:Apparently it's F Michael Maloof. If true then Hersh is pushing the same crap as an Alex Jones fanboy. ... according to?
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King of Hamas posted:Huh. So on one hand we have Seymour Hersh, the United Nations, and an expert in the field backed by a team from MIT, and on the other hand we have you and a handful of self declared internet munitions experts. Hmm....... The thing you don't understand is Hersh is flubbing the information he's giving about the UN and MIT report. The MIT report correctly points out that the White House report claimed the frontlines were 6km away, while the rocket range was only 2-2.25km. The problem is for all these people jumping on this as proof the rebels did it is the White House report is wrong, the frontlines were 2km on August 21st, something that's provable by reviewing videos from both sides in the conflict showing troops movements and checkpoint positions. I'm actually in frequent communication with one of the reports authors who has confirmed this is the whole point of the report, and he regularly uses my work in his own reports, so if you want to dismiss my work you should probably also dismiss the MIT report too. There's more details of why Hersh is wrong in this new piece from EA Worldview. gunblade posted:... according to? EA Worldview is pushing that as supposedly a lot of what Hersh's source is saying matches exactly with what Maloof has been saying for sometime now. Had he been published in the NYT or New Yorker he would have had to have had multiple sources for his claims, as well as fact checking, but Hersh can get around those hurdles by publishing in LRB it seems.
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Hersh gets played way too loving often and is an insider now. There's no good way to spin his "I haven't seen the blog." Then what the gently caress are you looking at?
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Hersh really just wants to go back in time to break the Gulf of Tonkin story.
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This thread is a lot better when you put King of Hamas and Baby Choom on ignore. For actual content, a new contender has thrown his hat into the ring for the Egyptian presidency. Meet Mortada Mansour. quote:Hopeful presidential candidate Mortada Mansour said he will ban Facebook and Twitter if they threaten the nation's internal security and declare war on Ethiopia should it maintain its stance on the Renaissance dam. This guy stands at the intersection of a three-way Venn diagram: felool, the same kind of cultural authoritarianism that the Brotherhood was reviled for, and the dick-swinging macho foreign policy that doesn't stand a chance of actually succeeding. Almost enough to make Sisi look preferable, and maybe that's his purpose. As far as the Ethiopian Grand Renaissance Dam Project goes- the Egyptian media has really been fired up about this. When I was last there a few weeks ago, the bumper clips between segments showed footage of the Nile thundering downstream, stock footage of Egyptian farmers tilling their fields, and other footage of Sisi in uniform making thundering pronouncements and shaking hands with other dudes in uniforms and whatnot.
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SedanChair posted:Hersh gets played way too loving often and is an insider now. There's no good way to spin his "I haven't seen the blog." Then what the gently caress are you looking at? It should also be noted I emailed Hersh all the information on Volcano rockets on the day of his first article, in reply to an email he sent me on Vile Rat's death in Benghazi. I guess he didn't read that or my article. Here's more on Hershshit https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/commentaryanalysis/542509-hersh-and-the-red-herring http://guests.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/4329/turkeys-syria-policy-why-seymour-hersh-got-it-wrong
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gunblade posted:... according to? I'm an asshat. Sorry I could have sworn I linked the article about that when I posted it last night. Here: http://eaworldview.com/2014/04/syria-hersh-chemical-weapons-conspiracy-insurgents/
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Brown Moses posted:It should also be noted I emailed Hersh all the information on Volcano rockets on the day of his first article, in reply to an email he sent me on Vile Rat's death in Benghazi. I guess he didn't read that or my article. Here's more on Hershshit You are so mad that you got called out by an actual journalist haha hey guys backing brown moses without any reason beyond believing that he is an expert, perhaps you should trust the side that is backed by people with decades of real life experience in the field and have repeatedly put their reputations on the line to expose the truth rather than some guy that watched youtubes for a few years and put on his expert hat made of construction paper and yarn (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) King of Hamas fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Apr 8, 2014 |
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Sucrose posted:Can anyone explain to me why exactly the United States is in prisoner exchange negotiations with Israel, an ally and beneficiary of no-strings attached foreign aid? I mean, what the gently caress, this is supposed to be negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians, why is the United States of all countries offering anything to the Israelis during it? Because Israel isn't interested in negotiating. So if we want them to come to the table, we need to offer incentives to do so; and for political reasons we always use the carrot and never the stick. Phlegmish posted:I find the relationship between the United States and Israel to be completely baffling. Small but vocal minorities with money to spare have disproportionate influence in US politics, since most people don't give a poo poo. Also, American society is incredibly receptive to Israel's cries of "help, our wealthy first-world suburbia is under attack from suicide bombers and other foreign Arab terrorists, just because we oppressed and exploited them a bit!" since that's basically the same song the US has been singing for a couple of decades too. We're just way more familiar with and sympathetic to the plight of the oppressor and the way the mean old oppressed peoples torment them with terrorism; the suffering of people locked up in an economic hellhole getting their farms burned by settlers and their homes bulldozed by a foreign army, by contrast, is utterly foreign to us, and we're inclined to think they deserve oppression for being such an uppity underclass anyway. As a people who mostly had no problem invading and occupying two countries over a single terrorist attack, I'm betting we'd be taking Israel's side even without the influence of a powerful Israeli lobby.
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Main Paineframe posted:Because Israel isn't interested in negotiating. So if we want them to come to the table, we need to offer incentives to do so; and for political reasons we always use the carrot and never the stick. This is a Good Post about Israel. Palestinians and Native Americans have a lot in common.
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But it's the weapons experts like Dan Kaszeta with decades of experience that are lining up against Hersh., not the other way around. Your obnoxious trolling would be more interesting if you actually acknowledged that the UN report and Kaszeta's findings discredit Hersh's allegations. Edit: treating Hersh as the ultimate authority based on his decades of reporting is like saying Lyndon LaRouche is best qualified to be President on account of his decades of political activism.
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Funny enough the Syrian Electronic Army linked people to a LaRouche page when they hijacked some News Network twitter accounts. Wake up Sheeple!
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suboptimal posted:Edit: treating Hersh as the ultimate authority based on his decades of reporting is like saying Lyndon LaRouche is best qualified to be President on account of his decades of political activism. I'm fairly certain that Hersh got blacklisted out of inside sources following abu Ghraib (or perhaps Obama took office, since they knew of him and his effect), so all he has are contrarian sources like Alex Jones and the RT crowd or someone selling bogus info for quick cash.
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McDowell posted:Funny enough the Syrian Electronic Army linked people to a LaRouche page when they hijacked some News Network twitter accounts. Wake up Sheeple! My biggest Twitter troll is a LaRouche but as well. A Times journalist just Tweeted Porton Down has said Hersh's claim Porton Down said the Sarin was "kitchen Sarin" was totally untrue.
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Hersh has had his reputation of being something of an uncritical mouthpiece for at least a couple of decades now.
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The-Mole posted:Hersh has had his reputation of being something of an uncritical mouthpiece for at least a couple of decades now. ...whose mouthpiece? edit: nevermind, I think this is a stupid thing to say regardless. He helped break Abu Ghraib, I don't know whose mouthpiece that would make him, but its good by me.
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Count Roland posted:...whose mouthpiece? I think the implication is that he's publish any source without necessarily checking the facts which gets the right and wrong but loses him credibility.
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King of Hamas posted:You are so mad that you got called out by an actual journalist haha It's your guy here, Hersh, who is the outlier. If you remove Brown Moses entirely from the equation it's still Hersh saying things contrary to the UN and the general credible consensus. Hersh, the man who also insisted the U.S. was definitely, positively, for certain about to invade Iran several years ago, and other top hits.
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There's a possibility a group strongly linked to the Supreme Military Council has started receiving US TOW ATGMs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd-iUXTK9Qw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVuPrIuYDAI There's a chance they could be from Hezbollah, old 1970 era models from Iran, or these are new supplies coming into the north of the country.
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They look modernish/in good enough condition (to not be 70ies models), but I'm no TOW expert. If it's any of the TOW 2 (1983+) variants they can punch a pretty big hole in pretty much any tank Assad got, even defeating ERA if it's the -E/-2A-model (and 900 mm penetration). Apparently Iran is manufacturing their own versions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toophan Might be interesting if you can catch any writing on the launcher or see any missiles handled to figure out where they come from. Pimpmust fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Apr 8, 2014 |
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King of Hamas posted:You are so mad that you got called out by an actual journalist haha As an expert in certain fields with decades of experience in real life myself, I can assure you Brown Moses knows what he's talking about. Since you love experts so much, you will now clearly change your opinion on him totally.  In other news, Assad is convinced he has already won, the country would need however at least 30 years of reconstruction to reach the economic level of 2010, even if the war ended right now.
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Libluini posted:In other news, Assad is convinced he has already won, the country would need however at least 30 years of reconstruction to reach the economic level of 2010, even if the war ended right now. That right there is depressing as gently caress. I wonder if there's a tipping point in time after which a large portion of the refugees who left the country won't return and Syria will have to deal with mass brain drain.
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cafel posted:That right there is depressing as gently caress. I wonder if there's a tipping point in time after which a large portion of the refugees who left the country won't return and Syria will have to deal with mass brain drain. A lot of them probably aren't going to come back anyway because of the secret police. The refugee camps are a major source of rebel recruitment, and given that the Assad regime's threshold for tolerating anti-regime activities is pretty goddamn low, each and every person in the camps has a significantly non-zero chance of being tortured and murdered if they ever go back to Syria. Vernii fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Apr 8, 2014 |
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Kerry's pointing to new Israeli settlement plans in the West Bank as a reason for the breakdown of the talks in recent days. http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-kerry-israel-settlements-20140408,0,1817844.story#axzz2yLBe2oyE He says he still hopes the talks can be revived and come to a successful conclusion. I doubt that will happen anytime soon. I can't see Netanyahu ever accepting any Palestinian offer except one that amounts to an almost total surrender to Israelis desires on the West Bank.
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Dusseldorf posted:I think the implication is that he's publish any source without necessarily checking the facts which gets the right and wrong but loses him credibility. The sad thing is that because the mainstream media is so obeisant, there are true and shocking stories only someone like Hersh will listen to. But then there are also untrue and shocking stories, like the invasion of Iran. Remember that Mulder believed things that weren't even true in the X-Files universe.
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eSports Chaebol posted:Remember that Mulder believed things that weren't even true in the X-Files universe. I think there was a whole season where the conspiracy convinced him aliens weren't real and the whole thing was a cover for freaky MIC experiments.
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eSports Chaebol posted:The sad thing is that because the mainstream media is so obeisant, there are true and shocking stories only someone like Hersh will listen to. But then there are also untrue and shocking stories, like the invasion of Iran. Remember that Mulder believed things that weren't even true in the X-Files universe. An attack or invasion of Iran wasn't some wingnut theory, most major media outlets were openly speculating about it for months on end. Threats were made, carrier groups put into position, vitriol spewed by politicians, etc. I responded to almost this identical statement a few pages ago: reporting on US plans to attack Iran was not limited to Hersh, BBC was covering it. It didn't happen: welcome to predicting the future. Doesn't make the plans or threats any less real.
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At the time many were saying it might happen, but Hersh said definitively "it will happen, and here is the timetable." His entire career, for good and for ill, has been him finding great sources, and then believing them entirely. I would bet the Iran piece came down to someone in the Bush administration wanting to scare the piss out of Iran, and leaking to Hersh knowing he would run with it in full.
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Brown Moses posted:There's a possibility a group strongly linked to the Supreme Military Council has started receiving US TOW ATGMs I'm having a hard time finding any good clear pics of Iranian Toophan (TOW) missiles so it's hard to tell if there are any small differences between Toophan and US made TOWS that would definitely point to what these fighters are using in the vid. Also I think TOWs were exported to quite a few countries including ones that would possibly give them to the rebels like Saudi Arabia and Turkey. I wonder how much training is needed to use a TOW and whos training these rebels?
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I know Konkurs have the explosion packs that steer the missile in guidance. What do TOWs use and are they basically the same (wire guided large AT missiles) or is there a big advantage to one system or the other?
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Hersh was interviewed in the Turkish press, and asked about my work, which he was extremely dismissive about, as well as the work of Dan Kaszeta, which he didn't even attempt to address, just did his "who is this guy?" bit. I've read the yet unreleased English version, where he comes across as pretty annoyed about the whole thing. I've responded to some of the latest statements he's made in my piece, The Knowledge Gap - Seymour's Hersh Of Cards.
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Have you revealed the ridiculous reason he originally emailed you yet?
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Brown Moses posted:Hersh was interviewed in the Turkish press, and asked about my work, which he was extremely dismissive about, as well as the work of Dan Kaszeta, which he didn't even attempt to address, just did his "who is this guy?" bit. I've read the yet unreleased English version, where he comes across as pretty annoyed about the whole thing. I've responded to some of the latest statements he's made in my piece, [url=http://brown-moses.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/the-knowledge-gap-seymours-hersh-of.html]The Knowledge Gap - Seymour's Hersh Of Cards let's not forget that this is the guy who uncovered the u.s. Biggest war crimes in Vietnam and Iraq and was a key factor in turning the tide of public opinion against both those conflicts. While he has his faults he's in a different league and category than you. And he doesn't have the luxury of being 'invited to meet important people' to gather his info because he's made an enemy out of those establishments.
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Al-Saqr posted:let's not forget that this is the guy who uncovered the u.s. Biggest war crimes in Vietnam and Iraq and was a key factor in turning the tide of public opinion against both those conflicts. While he has his faults he's in a different league and category than you. And he doesn't have the luxury of being 'invited to meet important people' to gather his info because he's made an enemy out of those establishments. Judging by the numbers of journalists contacting me saying he's out of touch and my work clearly demonstrates he's wrong, I'm not too worried if he decides to come down to my level.
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Best Friends posted:At the time many were saying it might happen, but Hersh said definitively "it will happen, and here is the timetable." His entire career, for good and for ill, has been him finding great sources, and then believing them entirely. I would bet the Iran piece came down to someone in the Bush administration wanting to scare the piss out of Iran, and leaking to Hersh knowing he would run with it in full. Happen to have a link to that article? The one I saw a short time ago didn't mention things so specific as that.
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Radio Prune posted:Did Hersh ever clarify his comments on the Bin Laden raid? He said that to promote his "alternative history of the war on terror" book, which is coming out at some unspecified future date.
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