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So barring anything insane like the Tea Party weirdos going even more crazy and splitting away from the GOP into their own party or something this is life for like another decade at least.
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Joementum posted:Of course, the reason that the pattern is mirrored in the Senate is because the polarization was not (chiefly) caused by redistricting. Actually the reason is very obvious to any red-blooded american: Clinton Did It!
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Monkey Fracas posted:So barring anything insane like the Tea Party weirdos going even more crazy and splitting away from the GOP into their own party or something this is life for like another decade at least. Nah, I think if we can make it through to 2016 we have a good chance of long-term Democratic control again after that. 2014-2016 looks to be a slough of despond though.
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Monkey Fracas posted:So barring anything insane like the Tea Party weirdos going even more crazy and splitting away from the GOP into their own party or something this is life for like another decade at least. Hieronymous Alloy posted:Nah, I think if we can make it through to 2016 we have a good chance of long-term Democratic control again after that. 2014-2016 looks to be a slough of despond though.
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axeil posted:It'll probably end conservatives screaming that Colbert isn't a parody he really is saying all that stuff and is meta-trolling liberals or whatever the hell their argument was. I too wonder how conservatives are reacting to this announcement. Let's go to the tape! http://mediamatters.org/mobile/video/2014/04/10/rush-cbs-has-just-declared-war-on-the-heartland/198837
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Fried Chicken posted:I too wonder how conservatives are reacting to this announcement. Let's go to the tape! Ah the culture war 
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Won't that make her reelection more difficult with lower enthusiasm? What if a Republican won in 2016, extremely narrowly, enough that people could remember how lovely they are while Dems still manage to hold the senate til 2020 as a safety measure.
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greatn posted:Won't that make her reelection more difficult with lower enthusiasm? What if a Republican won in 2016, extremely narrowly, enough that people could remember how lovely they are while Dems still manage to hold the senate til 2020 as a safety measure. People can't remember that the GOP were shitheads 2 weeks later, I don't "reminding people how lovely they are" is in anyway a viable political strategy.
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Apr 10, 2014 21:23
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Monkey Fracas posted:I think you could more or less objectively prove that the GOP has become more radical (or at least has more radical elements present in it) than in recent times but I tend to dismiss any notions that the Democratic party has also become more radical as truth-in-the-middle horseshit. I attribute the lack of conservative voting among D lawmakers to an unwillingness to compromise due to a history of the R side just being extremely untrustworthy during almost any and all negotiations.
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greatn posted:Won't that make her reelection more difficult with lower enthusiasm? What if a Republican won in 2016, extremely narrowly, enough that people could remember how lovely they are while Dems still manage to hold the senate til 2020 as a safety measure.
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So I have a story to share about my local area. We have two army depots, Red River and Lone Star ammo. Besides the tire plant and paper mills, they are a major contributor to jobs and our local economy. In high school, the two depots were threatened to be shut down completely. There was a large public outrage to keep the two opened, which we won. However, it's been threatened again by BRAC. So, what the hell is BRAC? Does this have something to do with the military it's mentioned in the OP?
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Apr 10, 2014 21:32
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Base Realignment and Closure, it's the process by which the federal government determines which bases and facilities to keep open, close, change missions, personnel etc.
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zoux posted:People can't remember that the GOP were shitheads 2 weeks later, I don't "reminding people how lovely they are" is in anyway a viable political strategy. Well that's largely because our news commentary is heavily invested in the idea that the republicans are the sensible adults in the room and the serious ones (so they latch on things that promote that eg Ryan as anything but a fraud) and there is a lot of money and power pushing that. Plus (and on further consideration this may be the main thing) GOP failures are slammed as individual fuckups (eg Akin) whereas Democrat failures are slammed as failures of ideology
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Barack Really Abhors the Corps
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greatn posted:Won't that make her reelection more difficult with lower enthusiasm? What if a Republican won in 2016, extremely narrowly, enough that people could remember how lovely they are while Dems still manage to hold the senate til 2020 as a safety measure. The GOP almost caused a debt default for fun and shut down the government for nearly a month and everyone has already forgotten about it.
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Swan Oat posted:Barack Really Abhors the Corpse More like BaRACk Obama
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Joementum posted:Here's a chart for that: So, this chart is saying that Republicans were conservative and Democrats were liberal in 1879? How does it decide what counts as conservative and liberal? Back then it was the Democrats who were racist southerners trying to shut down the federal government.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Nah, I think if we can make it through to 2016 we have a good chance of long-term Democratic control again after that. 2014-2016 looks to be a slough of despond though. Nessus posted:The Blue Dog sorts seem to have either switched sides or been run out in favor of a Tea Party death commando, so if the Democrats have gotten 'more extreme' it's in the sense that they've lost some moderates. richardfun posted:I don't mean to be 'that guy', but Libya is not in the Middle East. It's in Africa... TL;DR: "Middle East" is a really vague term.
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Joementum posted:Here's a chart for that: Oh, good, something else we can blame Reagan for!
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badatom posted:Oh, good, something else we can blame Reagan for! Actually that one is  as a freshman he and his challenges really pushed the voting lockstep and radicalism.
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Yessod posted:So, this chart is saying that Republicans were conservative and Democrats were liberal in 1879? How does it decide what counts as conservative and liberal? Back then it was the Democrats who were racist southerners trying to shut down the federal government. Research has shown that there are basically two dimensions that can be used to explain Congressional voting: one based on a liberal-conservative economic spectrum and the other on non-economic social issues. That chart, and basically anything you see that tries to show political polarization in Congress, uses the DW-NOMINATE scores from the first dimension.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Most Medicaid funding is tied up in long-term health care costs -- nursing homes, assisted living facilities, etc. -- so those would likely be the first cuts to be made. If you have a family member or relative in a Medicaid-funded nursing home bed, under the Ryan budget, that relative is likely either moving into your house or getting abandoned on the street. Think of the savings! Look man I don't like this any more than you do but we need to make some tough calls and Obamacare is a failure.  See, making that debt graph shrink is way better than caring for the elderly. They'll be fine, they've got retirement savings and pensions and dishwashers and all sorts of other first world amenities. It's practically too easy to keep alive nowadays as a 70+ year old person.
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How... Responsible!  Paul Ryan is my kind of serious politician, not like that fiscally irresponsible House Progressive Caucus...
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The constant banging on the Austerity Drum by the GOP might carry a bit more weight if it actually worked. Like if it killed a bunch of elderly people and cursed the poor to never leave their socioeconomic class buuuuut actually helped us become strong economically as a country it would at least be a choice. A lovely choice, but a choice. As is it's the plan where we enact sociopathic policies that do not actually provide any benefit to us.
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Monkey Fracas posted:The constant banging on the Austerity Drum by the GOP might carry a bit more weight if it actually worked. 
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Austerity is lovely, but for countries that have to depend on outsiders to finance their debt it's an option they sometimes have to consider, especially if their debt is rising out of control. The United States is of course not one of those countries and so austerity is ridiculous in our context.
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loquacius posted:Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia are reading this post and laughing diabolically somewhere right now. Clarence Thomas never laughs about legal matters.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Clarence Thomas never laughs about legal matters. True he snores.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Clarence Thomas never laughs about legal matters.
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Finnin posted:Why? Because she can retire in dignity knowing that she accomplished A Thing, versus all of the Republicans who have been yelling and vilifying her for the past 5 years.
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Radish posted:I highly doubt it. Half the country has totally bought into their idea that the government is inherently worse than the private sector for anything so there's no push from the populace to solve this deadlock one way or the other. It feels to me that the future of the country is coasting on whatever we can drag out of congress while social programs are slowly starved and replaced with whatever scam someone who wants to earn a quick buck creates in its absence. Congress doesn't seem like it's going to change anytime soon and the senate seems like a 50-50 coin flip as well. I'm more curious as to what caused this whole deadlock in the first place. My gut* tells me that a combination of factors like 9-11 and the rapid advancement of technology in media especially is causing us all to just stare at the shiny thing on the ground without actually picking it up and doing anything with it. *: "My gut" translates to "having no evidence for this whatsoever" JT Jag posted:If the Republicans win the Presidency in 2016, it will be merely the end result of a series of events going terribly wrong. In the event of that, the Republicans will surely have won the Senate in 2014, and hold it in 2016, and I may have killed myself. I am so with you on this point. Inglonias fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Apr 11, 2014 |
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Monkey Fracas posted:Is this the one where they also did not even try to hide the fact that they were increasing defense spending? Late Night with Fake Conservative Blowhard Colbert (Report) should be a given though? I mean if CBS is hiring him but don't want him bringing along the persona that's made him popular in the first place then CBS has a terminal case of the stupids. greatn posted:Won't that make her reelection more difficult with lower enthusiasm? What if a Republican won in 2016, extremely narrowly, enough that people could remember how lovely they are while Dems still manage to hold the senate til 2020 as a safety measure. If the GOP holds the House and White House you know full well enough Dems will bend knee to get the GOP votes when they want to pass something, and if the GOP gets the senate then they will immediately go full nuclear if the Democrats don't agree to do as they're told. anonumos posted:Why Sylvia Burwell. I'm not knocking her; I'm looking for what ya'll think of her nomination. "Burwell, 48, was confirmed to her current Cabinet-rank position in April 2013. She came to the White House from her spot atop the Walmart Foundation." Sounds legit. I know when I think of HHS leadership I think of Walmart! 
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Evil Fluffy posted:If the GOP holds the House and White House you know full well enough Dems will bend knee to get the GOP votes when they want to pass something, and if the GOP gets the senate then they will immediately go full nuclear if the Democrats don't agree to do as they're told. Calm the gently caress down both of you the only reason the Republicans will have any chance at the senate in 2014 and 2016 is because of partisan redistricting. The GOP are extinct based on demographic shifts that were put into motion years ago that no one can stop. Even if magically one of the horrible picks from the runners of the GOP primary won the presidency in 2016 against HILLARY going into 2020 they would inherit a nation where 49% of the voting population were millenials, and 35% were minorities. By that point in time 88% of the us population will live in urban areas and the political shift and backlash against them if they won in 2016 and had free reign to enact policies for 4 years would be worse than if they had lost. There is no way in hell Republicans have any chance in the future. They are a dying party. Stop clutching for defeat from the hands of victory you worrywarts.
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