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greatn posted:Clarence Thomas is a known HYDRA operative. I... can kinda see that. Scalia, no doubt. Joseph Smith was a big surprise though.
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I wonder if everyone will find out Coulson is alive now that SHIELD is in ruins. I also don't get how it was kept a secret when he was visiting the Hub, which by definition, is a central place most Agents would end up passing through at some point. Also, Cap was level 8, does that mean he knew? Romanov? I know the movies don't give a poo poo about the show, but whatever.
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Apr 10, 2014 22:11
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Burning_Monk posted:False equivalency. It's not a false equivalency, because he's not saying one example is more moral or legitimate than the other. He's making an analogy. It's not that unbelievable for an organization which had formerly held white supremacist views to renounce them and subsequently attract members of other races into the fold, if the rest of their tenets are attractive enough to those members.
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Apr 10, 2014 22:12
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ToastyPotato posted:I wonder if everyone will find out Coulson is alive now that SHIELD is in ruins. I also don't get how it was kept a secret when he was visiting the Hub, which by definition, is a central place most Agents would end up passing through at some point. Also, Cap was level 8, does that mean he knew? Romanov? I know the movies don't give a poo poo about the show, but whatever. Well, Natasha leaked all of Shields files to the Internet, so the rest of the world probably knows.
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Apr 10, 2014 22:13
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ToastyPotato posted:I wonder if everyone will find out Coulson is alive now that SHIELD is in ruins. I also don't get how it was kept a secret when he was visiting the Hub, which by definition, is a central place most Agents would end up passing through at some point. Also, Cap was level 8, does that mean he knew? Romanov? I know the movies don't give a poo poo about the show, but whatever. He'll probably find out now, but that doesn't mean he knew before. I'd imagine a Level 7 clearance was a necessary but not sufficient prerequisite for knowing of Agent Coulson's survival prior to his formation of a team.
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Apr 10, 2014 22:16
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ToastyPotato posted:I wonder if everyone will find out Coulson is alive now that SHIELD is in ruins. I also don't get how it was kept a secret when he was visiting the Hub, which by definition, is a central place most Agents would end up passing through at some point. Also, Cap was level 8, does that mean he knew? Romanov? I know the movies don't give a poo poo about the show, but whatever. It's not like Phil is a big celebrity. The Wikileaks types that are gonna be poring over the leaked data will have far juicier headlines to make than "one of the thousands who died during the invasion really didn't". Stark is probably gonna find it, though.
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Apr 10, 2014 22:18
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By everyone I mostly meant the people who knew him and other SHIELD agents in general. Not the general public.
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Apr 10, 2014 22:21
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Benedick Cuckold posted:It's not a false equivalency, because he's not saying one example is more moral or legitimate than the other. He's making an analogy. It's not that unbelievable for an organization which had formerly held white supremacist views to renounce them and subsequently attract members of other races into the fold, if the rest of their tenets are attractive enough to those members. It is false equivalency because the history and motivation of each is completely different.
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Apr 10, 2014 22:26
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BreakAtmo posted:This would work well. It makes sense since he'd want to take down Garret (and be on the same plane as Simmons). Also, it would hopefully satisfy the people complaining about main cast diversity. No, because those types of people are never happy. Having said that, Triplett is a million times a more interesting character than Agent Xealot posted:Also, in a Whedon-y fashion, I imagine that sooner or later, Deathlok will become non-evil. Though probably only as a guest star, since CG robot legs are probably expensive. Dethlok isn't evil, though. He's a prisoner in his own body and is only complying to keep his son safe. You know who I'd like to see in this series now that the main threat is out of the bag? Hydra Bob. I doubt the Deadpool movies, if they even get around to them, will use him, seeing as how Deadpool is in Xmen territory and Hydra in MCU territory. He's basically Andrew from Buffy. Totally useless, wants to help, swears he's not a bad guy, only really into it because Hydra has a good dental plan.
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Apr 10, 2014 22:38
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:No, because those types of people are never happy. Having said that, Triplett is a million times a more interesting character than Agent Garret already killed Bob. He was one of the two guys in the secret mountain base. 
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Apr 10, 2014 23:08
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Trip replacing Ward is a good call. Boring Ward was a bad character, but Psycho Ward looks to be pretty fun so I don't see any reason to get rid of him.ToastyPotato posted:Garret already killed Bob. He was one of the two guys in the secret mountain base. I, too, thought he was Bob, but given the revelation that HYDRA was the group trying to figure out what was in that very mountain base, it doesn't really make sense for Bob to be HYDRA.
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Since Skye and Coulson have been thick as thieves lately I can see Ward going to open up the hard drive only to see "LOL WE KNEW WHAT YOU WERE UP TO HAHA" on it. That way they still empty out the freezer but we don't have to deal with a rehash of the old weapons again.
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Apr 10, 2014 23:35
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Okay, James Randi just posted a Hydra meme. That is actually pretty awesome and not terrible like most meme's are.
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Pyroi posted:If you're HYDRA, and the other person is HYDRA, and you both know you're HYDRA agents, I think that you are supposed to Heil HYDRA, just to confirm that's why you shot the two guards and SHIELD agent, and not because you like your trainer too much to kill him. Garrett's the Clairvoyant so I guess they just did it mentally.
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Apr 11, 2014 00:25
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twistedmentat posted:Okay, James Randi just posted a Hydra meme. That is actually pretty awesome and not terrible like most meme's are. Where?
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Apr 11, 2014 00:34
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Well this show just took a turn for the awesome. I stuck with it for all of the references to the movies and Marvel universe but felt it was poor overall. Since episode 10 or 11 (excluding the acting and ridiculous plot in episode 15) it has drastically improved. I have watched all 17 episodes and TWS in three days, now I'm devastated I have to wait for episode 18.
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ToastyPotato posted:I wonder if everyone will find out Coulson is alive now that SHIELD is in ruins. I also don't get how it was kept a secret when he was visiting the Hub, which by definition, is a central place most Agents would end up passing through at some point. Also, Cap was level 8, does that mean he knew? Romanov? I know the movies don't give a poo poo about the show, but whatever. I would have thought that they simply hid his death on the helicarrier at the hands of Loki from everyone who wasn't in the immediate vicinity/saw it. It's being hidden from those people (Cap, Thor, Black Widow, etc Or at least those people who aren't of a level to know).
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Apr 11, 2014 01:35
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James R posted:I would have thought that they simply hid his death on the helicarrier at the hands of Loki from everyone who wasn't in the immediate vicinity/saw it. It's being hidden from those people (Cap, Thor, Black Widow, etc Or at least those people who aren't of a level to know). No, they apparently did a notification of his death to the people he knew personally, like the Cellist.
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Gonz posted:Where? http://i.imgur.com/eMp67jS.jpg How many episodes are left in the season? From what I can tell from the guess star info, I think about 6.
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Burning_Monk posted:It is false equivalency because the history and motivation of each is completely different. Both groups had ideologies that promoted whites as superior to blacks. I'm not saying the Mormon Church was as bad as the Nazis for God's sake, but as a group which once harbored racist views but has since renounced them, it's perfectly appropriate to compare them with Hydra, a group which was only allied with the Nazis out of convenience and which probably never even gave a poo poo about the Aryan race.
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Apr 11, 2014 02:39
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And just try and tell me this couldn't be a HYDRA base right here.
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It would be pretty amazing if the HYDRA they end up fighting on the show ends up being more diverse and multi ethnic than SHIELD was
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The Red Queen posted:And just try and tell me this couldn't be a HYDRA base right here. Yeah there are some absolutely ridiculous Mormon temples. This is the one in LA:  It's not quite as Hall of Doom looking, but it's still this huge rear end building on a massive gated plot of land just smack in the middle of west LA, surrounded by lovely little stores. The whole thing just screams "Secret, shady facility. Go away."
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  I graduated from high school in the building across the street from this temple in Independence, Missouri. The spiral makes this one the most HYDRA-y of them all for me. e: it even has a map of the world for world dominance purposes. Neowyrm fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Apr 11, 2014 |
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Apr 11, 2014 04:02
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When's the thread title gonna be changed to "Agents of HYDRA - Zola is dreamy"?
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Finally caught up with the thread, and I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thought the last episode was awesome. With Ward supposedly having genuine feelings for Skye, I wonder if he's going to end up with a "gently caress everyone" attitude. He realizes that both HYDRA and the now remnants of SHIELD are going to exploit her, and he'll go to whatever lengths to protect her, even if it's to her horror. It would make for a neat, messed up parallel to the situation with Skye's ex. Also, the Winter Soldier reveals makes Simmon's shooting of Sitwell even funnier, and further proves why she's the best. 
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PunkBoy posted:Finally caught up with the thread, and I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thought the last episode was awesome. With Ward supposedly having genuine feelings for Skye, I wonder if he's going to end up with a "gently caress everyone" attitude. He realizes that both HYDRA and the now remnants of SHIELD are going to exploit her, and he'll go to whatever lengths to protect her, even if it's to her horror. It would make for a neat, messed up parallel to the situation with Skye's ex. Also, the Winter Soldier reveals makes Simmon's shooting of Sitwell even funnier, and further proves why she's the best. Maybe she shot him because they were both Hydra and she knew she could get away with it!
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First Bass posted:Show needs more AIM grunts in yellow HAZMAT suits. The Captain America Porn that came out has them.
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ToastyPotato posted:Maybe she shot him because they were both Hydra and she knew she could get away with it! Yeah, that line about lying was really weird, but I'm not ready to call her HYDRA just yet. My one theory is that she lied to Trip about the blood tests "hitting a roadblock." I think she hit a breakthrough, but for whatever reasons she wants to keep it to herself. Maybe that means she's saving it for HYDRA, but maybe not!
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Fitz and Simmons need to synthesize that drug then rig up a pack of it to each team member's body so it auto-injects whenever their vitals show signs of being near death. Or I guess just have it coursing through their veins all the time, making them like Wolverine except gradually turning into an alien like in District 9 or whatever the side effects would be.
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twistedmentat posted:The Captain America Porn that came out has them.  Holy poo poo this wallpaper. Work safe gallery here
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Oral Roberts University in Oklahoma is straight-up begging to be used as an imposing HYDRA compound. Just look at that magnificently tacky poo poo. There's no way there's not at least five crime lords in those towers, sitting in high-backed office chairs with cats on their laps.
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James R posted:Him being Level 6 and Simmonds only being Level 5 confused me since Fitz and Simmonds come up with extremely classified toys like were used in Cap 2 & mentioned in AoS. I saw this mentioned a couple of times but I guess I missed it between the movie and the show, what was the gadget Fitz/Simmons came up with that was used in TWS?
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moths posted:
Damm, Diamondback, Sin, Zemo; now that's a Captain America movie I want to see.
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Tupping Liberty posted:I saw this mentioned a couple of times but I guess I missed it between the movie and the show, what was the gadget Fitz/Simmons came up with that was used in TWS? The portable blowtorch thingy that can cut through anything.
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Tupping Liberty posted:I saw this mentioned a couple of times but I guess I missed it between the movie and the show, what was the gadget Fitz/Simmons came up with that was used in TWS? What they used to cut out of the bus is what Fury used to escape from his car. It was a nice touch since Ftiz said he hadn't shared it with S.H.I.E.L.D. yet. It shows how much stuff May was leaking to Fury.
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radlum posted:Damm, Diamondback, Sin, Zemo; now that's a Captain America movie I want to see. Someone missed one thing in it though Red Skull bangs Sin.
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bull3964 posted:What they used to cut out of the bus is what Fury used to escape from his car. It was a nice touch to AOS that the gadgets that Fury and others used to survive was the project of Fitz's. It even gets a cameo in AOS.
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I'm really confused about Paxton being labeled "The Clairvoyant" (both by the characters and in some of the released materials) Especially, why are the other characters so sure? Just because he's the highest ranking officer they know of (since they don't know about Redford or whoever) who came out as being HYDRA? He made it pretty clear that he's just an opportunistic sleaze who joined the HYDRA faction because he saw that "things seemed to be leaning that way." But if the real Clairvoyant is actually just one person (and not a name for the collection of a bunch of HYDRA members, using Zola's prediction technology, which is what I thought after seeing TWS) didn't it seem like that person was essentially in charge? Paxton was clearly not in charge of anything, he even said he was just flowing with the wind. What makes everyone so sure that Paxton was the Clairvoyant (e.g. the person who was actually putting stuff in people's eyeballs and typing commands or whatever) and not just another one of the many covert-HYDRA SHIELD agents? I'm very confused. Also, he doesn't really seem the type to be the one doing all that Clairvoyant stuff, especially during the last scene where he and Ward are alone (and so he has no reason not to show his true personality) and he's just telling some egotistic war story like a buffoon.
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