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Slavvy posted:There would only be one sailboat and the soldiers would be wading instead of on horseback but otherwise a pretty accurate rendition of how sealion would've gone down. Except, of course, everything would have been on fire.
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I'm just gonna assume that was a doodle Hitler left lying around that he made while waiting for updates on the French front, and his generals thought that it was an outline for his real plan to invade England. Makes more sense than the reality.
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Apr 13, 2014 03:18
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I don't think so, that picture exhibits significantly more artistic talent than Hitler possessed. The people actually look like people, for example.
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Apr 13, 2014 03:20
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Slavvy posted:There would only be one sailboat and the soldiers would be wading instead of on horseback but otherwise a pretty accurate rendition of how sealion would've gone down. The first assault waves specifically included a lot of horses (to tow the artillery that was coming on the second assault wave!) so I think that picture is a lot more accurate than you might think.
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Apr 13, 2014 05:24
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gradenko_2000 posted:The first assault waves specifically included a lot of horses (to tow the artillery that was coming on the second assault wave!) so I think that picture is a lot more accurate than you might think. Good lord. Was the hitler-on-meth thing actually true? Cause this makes it sound true.
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Slavvy posted:Good lord. Was the hitler-on-meth thing actually true? Cause this makes it sound true. Yes it was. His quack doctor dosed him with it in the mornings to perk him up.
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Apr 13, 2014 05:43
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Slavvy posted:Good lord. Was the hitler-on-meth thing actually true? Cause this makes it sound true.
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Apr 13, 2014 05:48
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For reals, the Wehrmacht was mostly horse powered throughout the whole war.
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Apr 13, 2014 05:50
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HEY GAL posted:He was, but that's not ridiculous. A lot of German artillery was horse drawn. People think that the mid 20th century saw the complete mechanization of combat, but it's not true. Raskolnikov38 posted:For reals, the Wehrmacht was mostly horse powered throughout the whole war. Right, but the ridiculous part is that the German version of Saving Private Ryan is going to look like:  ... but with water on one side
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Don't draft animals/riding animals still occasionally see combat use? I remember hearing about a camelry charge by Rangers somewhere in Afghanistan and there are videos of horse-mounted riot police all over the net. edit: HEY GAL it took me this fuckin long to figure out you were HCT. Jeez.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Don't draft animals/riding animals still occasionally see combat use? I remember hearing about a camelry charge by Rangers somewhere in Afghanistan and there are videos of horse-mounted riot police all over the net. (2) I will always be some variation on HEGEL. Next name will probably be A GLISTENING HEGEL? HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Apr 13, 2014 |
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Apr 13, 2014 06:06
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HEY GAL posted:(2) I will always be some variation on HEGEL. Next name will probably be A GLISTENING HEGEL?  It's a shame about the ban.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Don't draft animals/riding animals still occasionally see combat use? I remember hearing about a camelry charge by Rangers somewhere in Afghanistan and there are videos of horse-mounted riot police all over the net.  Not Rangers, but US Army Special Forces and attached USAF Combat Controllers used horses during the 2001-2002 fighting in Afghanistan and still use them today. For a more insane example of horse soldiering...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luZtl2J3sR0
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Don't draft animals/riding animals still occasionally see combat use? I remember hearing about a camelry charge by Rangers somewhere in Afghanistan and there are videos of horse-mounted riot police all over the net. To add onto what Hegel of the many names said, special forces in Afghanistan were using horses not just because they could just go places mechanized divisions flat out couldn't, but also because they blended in with the locals a lot better when they were on horseback. A group of clean shaved guys driving around in a vehicle that is probably worth more than what a remote village is worth sticks out like a sore thumb, but no one even looks twice bunch of heavily armed bearded dudes riding around on horseback in the mountains, since that describes most everyone in rural Afghanistan. Even if they're not actively hiding from the Taliban or what have you, locals are probably going to more readily trust a group that seems more familiar to them. I don't know anything about a cavalry charge though, so I don't know if that's true. I did think you were talking about camels for a second, until I realized that camelry isn't a word. It totally should be though EDIT: Beaten by a minute 
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There ought to be a goodreads group for this thread to catalogue all the recommended books.
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So what's the proper premodern way of repelling horse?
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JaucheCharly posted:So what's the proper premodern way of repelling horse? Ruddha.
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JaucheCharly posted:So what's the proper premodern way of repelling horse? Pikes and good discipline will allow you to ----------------    all day every day. You can see some pictures of reenactors demonstrating the use of the pike, some of which I copied here earlier, here. my dad posted:Ruddha.
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The fearsome pike square has been adapted here for modern, more sensitive viewers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUKuUFAdgKs
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:The fearsome pike square has been adapted here for modern, more sensitive viewers.
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On the topic of pikes and such, I'm still impressed that the last known bayonet charge happened as recently as 2004 (by British troops in Basra). And then on the topic of bayonets, does anyone know why it took so long for non-plug types to become commonplace? The idea of a big spike you could mount on your musket isn't exactly new, and while plug types certainly have their drawbacks, non-plug types really don't seem all that complicated, and I don't understand why it took so long for them to replace the plugs. I've also wondered why the battlefields of early modern Europe didn't shift all their pikemen into bayonet-equipped-musketmen much earlier than they did, though I can guess at two reasons:
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PittTheElder posted:And then on the topic of bayonets, does anyone know why it took so long for non-plug types to become commonplace? The idea of a big spike you could mount on your musket isn't exactly new, and while plug types certainly have their drawbacks, non-plug types really don't seem all that complicated, and I don't understand why it took so long for them to replace the plugs. And bear in mind when you are dealing with any adoption of new technology--the proprietor of each regiment pays for all of this themselves. (Which is why the French took so much longer than everyone else to adopt the flintlock.) Ideally, owning a regiment makes you money, not the other way around. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 10:07 on Apr 13, 2014 |
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But the bayonet itself is at least 100 years older than that I thought? 100 years seems like a long time to come up with an improvement to a shockingly huge drawback. I do believe I've framed my question terribly though. e: the decentralized manner of procurement is something I definitely had not considered. HEY GAL posted:Ideally, owning a regiment makes you money, not the other way around. Did people really expect military adventures to make money (through looting I presume)? I figured it was just a status thing.
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PittTheElder posted:But the bayonet itself is at least 100 years older than that I thought? PittTheElder posted:Did people really expect military adventures to make money (through looting I presume)? I figured it was just a status thing. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 10:12 on Apr 13, 2014 |
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Right, I guess given the proliferation of private mercenary companies during the 15-17th century, there must have been decent money being made.
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I'm taking a trip to Bangkok later this month. Any milhist related spots (or just good spots in general) that the thread would like to recommend?
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Slavvy posted:I don't think so, that picture exhibits significantly more artistic talent than Hitler possessed. The people actually look like people, for example. You can't possibly be suggesting that Hitler wasn't a people person.
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Hitler didn't draw that bad. Btw, the reason why asked about cavalry was that the author in that work about warfare on the indian subcontinent states that Babur introduced ottoman tactics to the theater. He writes about the sultan's redoubt in a way that I never heard of. Instead of trenches or earthworks it's waggons manned with archers and musketmen. The waggons are tied together with chains or ropes of rawhide. It's called the 'rumi' (Rumelia) way, and apparently was introduced by ottoman artillery experts that Babur hired. It's described as laager, like the ones that the hussites used. Weird. The german sources that I read so far only mention cannons being linked together in that way, to stop cavaly from overrunning their position.
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There were some intriguing inventions on both sides of the channel.  This wasn't one.
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That is going to be an interesting expression we simply have to start bringing back.
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JaucheCharly posted:Hitler didn't draw that bad. His environments were nice enough I guess in a kind of eerie way but there is a conspicuous absence of people in them. Basically it's pretty much exactly what you'd expect someone who went down his path to produce.
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Since they are bum boats, they are going out. On the face of France.
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SeanBeansShako posted:Since they are bum boats, they are going out. On the face of France. Matter of perspective really.
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I wish political cartoons of today were like that. If somebody made political cartoons of Ted Cruz farting in Obama's face it would be an improvement over whatever trash they're churning out today. Not even pretending to bother with fancy metaphors they are too clumsy and dumb to properly utilize, just outright say "this guy I dislike is a poophead and so I am drawing this picture of even more poop being placed on his head."
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Pornographic Memory posted:I wish political cartoons of today were like that. If somebody made political cartoons of Ted Cruz farting in Obama's face it would be an improvement over whatever trash they're churning out today. Not even pretending to bother with fancy metaphors they are too clumsy and dumb to properly utilize, just outright say "this guy I dislike is a poophead and so I am drawing this picture of even more poop being placed on his head." Maybe he could shart out "DEBT".
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