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Frank Karsten had an interesting U/B heroic deck that can do crazy things with a Pain Seer, hidden strings, and Springleaf Drum that might have a place for a few copies of the disciple.
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Honestly being able to discard a dsphere or a dissolve to tutor up revelation is not the worst thing you could do in standard. even if you have to wait 2 turns to do it seems like a very control-mirror sort of card
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Korak posted:Why couldn't the Elk be Tap for GG? Two mana dork with one toughness? Why would you run this over Voyaging Satyr or Caratid or even Manaswift Sliver? 2cc that ramps for two mana, with a reasonable 2/1 body, at common, would probably be pushing it a bit at limited. Edit: I mean we've had Joraga Treespeaker so that level of power is definitely printable at common, but I don't think there's anything really wrong with where the Elk is at. Lunsku fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Apr 16, 2014 |
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Apr 16, 2014 08:13
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Would've been nice if the Golden elk could tap for any mana color.
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Apr 16, 2014 08:22
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Pontius Pilate posted:Would've been nice if the Golden elk could tap for any mana color. It certainly feels like it did that at one point given the fact it's a 1 toughtness 2cc creature.
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A big flaming stink posted:Honestly being able to discard a dsphere or a dissolve to tutor up revelation is not the worst thing you could do in standard. In Phenax wall decks, it lets you discard extra Phenax for 5cc Jace. Or extra 2 drops for your singleton Dimir Guildmage finisher. I will be playing this sucker.
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Playing mono white splashing red, how can I combat against T2 caraytid, T3 courser? I am playtesting against my friends g/r monsters deck and I keep getting facerolled. I am seriously thinking of playing firedrinker satyrs because of this, I think I need help.
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Apr 16, 2014 13:30
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Chained to the rocks for Courser/Bigger stuff, voltron up a dude with enchantments is probably your best bet. Celestial Flare for sideboard.
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Samael posted:Playing mono white splashing red, how can I combat against T2 caraytid, T3 courser? I am playtesting against my friends g/r monsters deck and I keep getting facerolled. I am seriously thinking of playing firedrinker satyrs because of this, I think I need help. Madcap Skills will help you push early damage. Once Courser hits, you have to remove him in order to make sure their life gain doesn't get out of control. If you're primarily white, Brave the Elements through their creatures for the last bits of damage whenever you can. Really, though. It is just a really hard match-up.
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AlternateNu posted:Madcap Skills will help you push early damage. Once Courser hits, you have to remove him in order to make sure their life gain doesn't get out of control. If you're primarily white, Brave the Elements through their creatures for the last bits of damage whenever you can. I am going to add 3 mizzium mortars for stormbreaths and coursers and add pithing needle plus renounce the guilds to the sideboard for zenagos and domri. Samael fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Apr 16, 2014 |
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Apr 16, 2014 13:44
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 Strength of The Fallen 1G Enchantment Constellation - Whenever Strength of The Fallen or another enchantment enters the battlefield under your control, target creature gets +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the number of creature cards in your graveyard.
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Apr 16, 2014 14:54
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Kabanaw posted:
Constellation: Target creature becomes a baby Nighthowler until end of turn 
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Apr 16, 2014 14:58
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Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but that card seems pretty bad to me.
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Apr 16, 2014 15:06
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Why couldn't it have been on a body to begin with? The fact that it's not a creature means it doesn't play well with the one deck it belongs in.
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Apr 16, 2014 15:07
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Cactrot posted:Constellation: Target creature becomes a baby Nighthowler until end of turn Constellation: Every Green Deck is now BG Dredge.
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Elyv posted:Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but that card seems pretty bad to me. It's very conditionally good. It CAN be really useful, but only if you build around it to have enough enchantments to trigger it regularly. It's cheaper than bestowing a Nighthowler with less demanding mana, so you get it faster and can hit harder early on (assuming you led with enablers), but you could run out of gas for it and it's inherently WAY less resilient than bestowing. It really needs support along the lines of Awakening Zone, something that regularly makes enchantment creature tokens without constant investment, but even then.... I'm not optimistic for constructed, but I could see it being ok if you tossed it on a Gladecover Scout or something where it's comparatively safer. That's all Standard talk. I don't see it as a high pick in Limited, but it has some late game value after you've lost a lot of guys and need to punch through the last damage.
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Apr 16, 2014 15:15
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Kabanaw posted:
This is the most hilarious nonbo-that's-almost-a-combo with Pharika. Christ, Wizards, let BG have nice things that work within its domain. (Abrupt Decay doesn't really count.)
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Apr 16, 2014 15:20
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Elyv posted:Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but that card seems pretty bad to me. Pharika, Lotleth Troll and this. Play Strength of the Fallen, Discard a creature with Lotleth Troll, exile it with Pharika, put an enchantment deathtouching snake out, Lotleth Troll gets a +1/+1 counter and +X/+X twice. And presumably you've been communing with the gods and grisly salvaging all game.
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I really doubt that card will do anything in any format.
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BaronVonVaderham posted:It really needs support along the lines of Awakening Zone, something that regularly makes enchantment creature tokens without constant investment, but even then.... I'm not optimistic for constructed, but I could see it being ok if you tossed it on a Gladecover Scout or something where it's comparatively safer. It's not an aura. Perhaps it's good with Pharika? (aside from the fact that you'll run out of creatures..)
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Dungeon Ecology posted:I think it's just for limited consideration. Or your sweet Elk tribal. Golden Hind mana ramp into Axebane stag.
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Cactrot posted:Pharika, Lotleth Troll and this. So what I'm getting out of this is, after you're in an excellent position, it can put you in a better position? That seems...underwhelming. I dunno, I think the effect is probably too weak for constructed and too inconsistent for limited.
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So in the span of six weeks, the price of legacy duals has continued to Skyrocket. Tundra's grown to 250, Bayou is pushing 200 and, Underground Sea has ballooned to 350. Seriously, Star City- cut this poo poo out.
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Crackatastic posted:So in the span of six weeks, the price of legacy duals has continued to Skyrocket. Tundra's grown to 250, Bayou is pushing 200 and, Underground Sea has ballooned to 350. No Sincerely, Star City B-but think of all the small LGS they're helping by raising the price of their already immovable stock!
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Kabanaw posted:
"I bestow Nighthowler on my Herald of Torment. He gets +2X/+2X. Hope you have a flier to block with."
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Apr 16, 2014 15:52
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Crackatastic posted:So in the span of six weeks, the price of legacy duals has continued to Skyrocket. Tundra's grown to 250, Bayou is pushing 200 and, Underground Sea has ballooned to 350. On SCG, Sneak Attack also jumped to $100. This is good though, soon I'll be able to trade my Revised duals almost straight-up for Moxen. Wizards is much less likely to reprint Moxen than the original duals (which I really believe will happen some day, even in the far future).
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Mortimer posted:No Anywhere with a legacy scene REV duals aren't immovable stock, anywhere without a legacy scene shouldn't be buying REV duals.
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DurdleDuck posted:It's not an aura. Perhaps it's good with Pharika? (aside from the fact that you'll run out of creatures..)  That's what happens when you just casually glance at the actual card because it's not in English and then just read the rules text translation. That's very relevant info that changes things. A lot. That's MORE resilient than Nighthowler then. If there's enough support to consistently trigger it, then I'd say it's very playable, especially as it allows you to load up your graveyard and just play one or two creatures you can pump (then shrinks back down to dodge things like Elspeth's -3). No need to overextend into a wrath to keep your clock short. I could even see something silly like Feral Invocation making an appearance alongside this, but imagine bestowing a Nighthowler on a creature to trigger this the same turn. Assuming you dodge instant-speed removal in response, that can be dangerous.
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BaronVonVaderham posted:
Now imagine if you had two of them out. (Oh, and Boon Satyr vice Feral Invocation.)
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ungulateman posted:This is the most hilarious nonbo-that's-almost-a-combo with Pharika. Crackatastic posted:So in the span of six weeks, the price of legacy duals has continued to Skyrocket. Tundra's grown to 250, Bayou is pushing 200 and, Underground Sea has ballooned to 350. Korak fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Apr 16, 2014 |
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BJPaskoff posted:On SCG, Sneak Attack also jumped to $100. On the other hand, makes me not want to cash in for the Mox Jet at my LGS with all my store credit! I'd rather have duals. Anyone want a Mox Jet 
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Korak posted:Honestly at this point I'm thinking BG is the new Dimir with how rear end backwards they're making these cards. The really cynical part of me wants to say that it's Ken Nagle actively sabotaging the B/G dredge subtheme that the rest of his co-designers are putting in, because he absolutely has to make sure none of them are "too good". I would normally assume that he'd get shouted down, but Pharika definitely seems to be tampered with 
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Crackatastic posted:So in the span of six weeks, the price of legacy duals has continued to Skyrocket. Tundra's grown to 250, Bayou is pushing 200 and, Underground Sea has ballooned to 350. This is hilarious. And just like that, all the tcg prices have risen to match it.  I happen to have a few extras. I bet I could trade them in for some mad pretend fake space ships and become a star citizen.
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Few "cheap" sneak attacks on eBay still. Go go go!
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Crackatastic posted:So in the span of six weeks, the price of legacy duals has continued to Skyrocket. Tundra's grown to 250, Bayou is pushing 200 and, Underground Sea has ballooned to 350. Volcanic is 300, double what it was when I bought mine a year ago. Kinda want to unload it since I don't ever play that deck. What's the easiest way to flip this thing for dollars?
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Literally The Worst posted:Volcanic is 300, double what it was when I bought mine a year ago. Kinda want to unload it since I don't ever play that deck. What's the easiest way to flip this thing for dollars? Find a chinese businessman
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1G for a mana dork isn't unprecedented. They're just going for a 2/1 body without making it as powerful as Lotus Cobra. It's a limited card.ungulateman posted:This is the most hilarious nonbo-that's-almost-a-combo with Pharika. There's nothing innately wrong with a (potentially) strong interaction that depletes its own effectiveness. Those creatures in the bin are doing nothing by themselves and if you use them in any way you're removing them from the bin - actually getting a trigger and doing something with them. Is it necessarily worth slots? Probably not. You run DRS with Tarmogoyf despite potential anti-synergy because both cards are strong. In this case the combined effect is fairly strong (BG for a diminishing solid pump) so the self-depletion isn't necessarily outright condemning. Whether or not the interaction is pushed for constructed is another matter. I wouldn't outright dismiss Pharika for dredge (although admittedly I haven't been messing with BG Dredge in this format) because it feels like there isn't enough stuff that uses your graveyard as a resource in THS block.
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Niton posted:Ken Nagle Ah, it's been a while since this thread blamed a good not great card being 'sabotaged' on Ken. He's not even on the design team, guy. Cool your ire.
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Crackatastic posted:So in the span of six weeks, the price of legacy duals has continued to Skyrocket. Tundra's grown to 250, Bayou is pushing 200 and, Underground Sea has ballooned to 350. Jesus, I thought I was seeing typos or weird aberrations due to one site jacking their prices when I scanned through the duals on SCI a couple weeks ago. That's insane.
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Kasonic posted:Ah, it's been a while since this thread blamed a good not great card being 'sabotaged' on Ken. I do think that someone is responsible for Pharika being so different from the other 9 gods, though. Nagle is just the easy/joke answer, because it's a B/G card  He's also definitely on the design team, albeit the final half rather than the initial one: quote:Final Game Design and Development Dave Humpherys (lead)
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