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You don't have to be media trained to understand that what he said wass pure unfiltered racist mouth-garbage, and any attempts to defend the comment just mean he should have hid his opinion better.
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It has to do with the BLM in that he's no different from any other racist hickass fuckwad who thinks they can demand from the BLM the right to mooch off public lands when they can't produce enough grazing stock on their own.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:That was quick How do you cut the head off a spider? How is this the most efficient way to kill one? So many questions.
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Apr 24, 2014 14:01
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Time_pants posted:How in the gently caress does something like this even happen? How, in the 21st century, does someone open their mouths and say this at all, much less when the press cameras are rolling? They (people like Bundy) really think that the vast majority of people in this country feel the same way that they do, and it's only faggy PC liberals who even pretend to care about minorities, and that only out of white guilt. Seriously.
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Apr 24, 2014 14:12
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BUSH 2112 posted:They (people like Bundy) really think that the vast majority of people in this country feel the same way that they do, and it's only faggy PC liberals who even pretend to care about minorities, and that only out of white guilt. Seriously. It's true see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO0RWeM4EbA
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Apr 24, 2014 14:20
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I saw the image of Obama with the robot on Politico this morning and was going to make this joke, but it looks like Drudge beat me to it.
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Apr 24, 2014 14:27
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Cheekio posted:This might be the most racist thing I've ever read. I'd stay out of the Freep thread if I were you. Preserve that innocence.
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Apr 24, 2014 14:34
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BUSH 2112 posted:They (people like Bundy) really think that the vast majority of people in this country feel the same way that they do, and it's only faggy PC liberals who even pretend to care about minorities, and that only out of white guilt. Seriously. Certainly 20% of Americans feel the same way at least, maybe 40 percent. It's just that most of those racists are smarter than him and stay relatively undercover.
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Apr 24, 2014 14:40
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joeburz posted:You don't have to be media trained to understand that what he said wass pure unfiltered racist mouth-garbage, and any attempts to defend the comment just mean he should have hid his opinion better. The upshot is that the story, or at least the plucky little rancher narrative angle, is dead now. I don't know if Hannity or other right wing pundits were still beating the drums, but they won't be anymore. In fact, his next little "daily press conference" will be stacked with reporters waiting for him to say something unbelievably racist, which he will likely oblige when he tries to explain how references to literally picking cotton were not actually racist.
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Apr 24, 2014 14:42
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Joementum posted:I saw the image of Obama with the robot on Politico this morning and was going to make this joke, but it looks like Drudge beat me to it. Drudge isn't making a joke.
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Apr 24, 2014 14:49
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Brigadier Sockface posted:I'm still laughing at this amazing quote. In the end these jerks are always the same. Why do all these conservative libertarians who hate the federal government turn out to be huge racists? And why do all these homosexuals keep sucking my cock? Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Apr 24, 2014 |
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Apr 24, 2014 14:50
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Cheekio posted:This might be the most racist thing I've ever read. Don't read much science fiction do you? There's a fellow names Theodore Beale who puts this to shame
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Apr 24, 2014 14:52
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Joementum posted:I saw the image of Obama with the robot on Politico this morning and was going to make this joke, but it looks like Drudge beat me to it. If he didn't say "Doumo Arigatou, Mister Roboto," he's not my president. 
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Apr 24, 2014 14:56
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Rule no 1 of American Right Wing politics: EVERYTHING is about race.
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Apr 24, 2014 14:59
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Chokes McGee posted:If he didn't say "Doumo Arigatou, Mister Roboto," he's not my president. Lack of trans-generational pop references really styx in my craw too.
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Apr 24, 2014 15:03
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mcmagic posted:Rule no 1 of American Right Wing politics: EVERYTHING is about race. I'd say this is American politics in general and completely true. We ran on a de facto (and mainly de jure as well) racial caste system for 450+ years, finally said "this is bad" 50 years ago (and didn't do a very good job on following those principles). We finally stopped some of the more insidious and bureaucratic means of enforcing class along race lines in 2002, just in time for the roll back of all those "this is bad" laws and rulings to start. I sure as hell don't have a solution for the issue, but I don't think it is out of line to say it defines most of the issues in this country. It was too ingrained for too long for it not to be
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Apr 24, 2014 15:09
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Fried Chicken posted:I'd say this is American politics in general and completely true. We ran on a de facto (and mainly de jure as well) racial caste system for 450+ years, finally said "this is bad" 50 years ago (and didn't do a very good job on following those principles). We finally stopped some of the more insidious and bureaucratic means of enforcing class along race lines in 2002, just in time for the roll back of all those "this is bad" laws and rulings to start. Uh, maybe you haven't seen any of the recent SCOTUS decisions, but I'm pretty sure we're all past race at this point.
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Apr 24, 2014 15:18
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quote:Again, this isn’t about one person, but the left would love for it to be so. It’s easier to kill a spider by cutting off the head. This may be the least ridiculous thing in there, but a tiny guillotine seems pretty impractical for getting rid of spiders.
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Apr 24, 2014 15:19
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If only there was another animal, one that is commonly referred in allegories involving decapitation. Nope, spider it is.
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Apr 24, 2014 15:20
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zoux posted:The upshot is that the story, or at least the plucky little rancher narrative angle, is dead now. I don't know if Hannity or other right wing pundits were still beating the drums, but they won't be anymore. In fact, his next little "daily press conference" will be stacked with reporters waiting for him to say something unbelievably racist, which he will likely oblige when he tries to explain how references to literally picking cotton were not actually racist. I'd love to believe that, and certainly Bundy used magic words ("cotton," "negro") that you're not supposed to say. But the counterfactual narrative powers of the right grow daily and there's really no one but MSNBC to beat the "Bundy's racist" drum. And of course he'll continue to be a secret hero to those Republicans who spurn him publicly.
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Apr 24, 2014 15:21
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Fried Chicken posted:Don't read much science fiction do you? There's a fellow names Theodore Beale who puts this to shame I should brush up. It's not like I live in a world without racism, it's just that the nonchalant dismissal of the capacity of black Americans for self determination threw me for a loop. You know, might rain tomorrow. potholes need fixing, and black people might be better off living under my boot heel.
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Apr 24, 2014 15:21
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Bundy managed to gently caress up the whole "Welfare holds back black people/Democrats are the real racists" trope that Republicans love to spew. That's so easy not to gently caress up but here we are. It's great though, because someone finally hosed up and brought the subtext to the foreground so the dogwhistle is obvious to everyone now if someone else says something like that.
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Apr 24, 2014 15:24
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SedanChair posted:I'd love to believe that, and certainly Bundy used magic words ("cotton," "negro") that you're not supposed to say. But the counterfactual narrative powers of the right grow daily and there's really no one but MSNBC to beat the "Bundy's racist" drum. And of course he'll continue to be a secret hero to those Republicans who spurn him publicly. One of the things you can't actually do even in this hosed up society is actively support a confessed racist. I'm sure there will be Breitbart think pieces about "who cares if this guy's a racist!" but as far as mainstream right wing media goes, pure obvious racism like this is still radioactive. This isn't dogwhistle stuff, he said "Negros were better off picking cotton under slavery".
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Apr 24, 2014 15:25
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zoux posted:One of the things you can't actually do even in this hosed up society is actively support a confessed racist. I'm sure there will be Breitbart think pieces about "who cares if this guy's a racist!" but as far as mainstream right wing media goes, pure obvious racism like this is still radioactive. This isn't dogwhistle stuff, he said "Negros were better off picking cotton under slavery". I'm still making the bet that open racism will be crept into the party by 2016. This may be a tipping point for the base; they're going to be super pissed off when Rand Paul and crew start distancing today. They don't care about reasons.
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Apr 24, 2014 15:50
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It's not the racism angle we should be playing up, it's the sheer unmitigated hypocrisy this guy shows. We have a racist redneck gently caress-head complaining about moocher blacks while he's also mooching off of federal land and has been doing so for 20 years. Wow, just wow. You can't write satire this good.
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Apr 24, 2014 15:54
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Jasque posted:It's not the racism angle we should be playing up, it's the sheer unmitigated hypocrisy this guy shows. We have a racist redneck gently caress-head complaining about moocher blacks while he's also mooching off of federal land and has been doing so for 20 years. Wow, just wow. You can't write satire this good. Oh please if you could get anywhere pointing out Republican hypocrisy there wouldn't be any Republicans anymore. The best we can hope for out of this is everyone ignoring that it ever happened.
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Apr 24, 2014 15:59
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Doctor Butts posted:Bundy managed to gently caress up the whole "Welfare holds back black people/Democrats are the real racists" trope that Republicans love to spew. That's so easy not to gently caress up but here we are. Thing is, live in the bubble, die by the bubble. The right wing information bubble is so extreme that these types of opinions are starting to become "acceptable" again within the right wing bubble community, which is why more and more of the extreme right wingers are starting to say stuff like this in public or on the record.
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Apr 24, 2014 16:08
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Is there any reason that this proof that Bundy's story is not true on any level isn't getting traction? Is there something wrong with its conclusions that I'm not seeing or is veracity irrelevant at this point?
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haveblue posted:Is there any reason that this proof that Bundy's story is not true on any level isn't getting traction? Is there something wrong with its conclusions that I'm not seeing or is veracity irrelevant at this point? Because the facts don't fit the established media narrative.
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haveblue posted:Is there any reason that this proof that Bundy's story is not true on any level isn't getting traction? Is there something wrong with its conclusions that I'm not seeing or is veracity irrelevant at this point? It's the latter. This is driven by the right-wing "news" machine, which means things like facts are irrelevant.
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SedanChair posted:I'd love to believe that, and certainly Bundy used magic words ("cotton," "negro") that you're not supposed to say. But the counterfactual narrative powers of the right grow daily and there's really no one but MSNBC to beat the "Bundy's racist" drum. And of course he'll continue to be a secret hero to those Republicans who spurn him publicly. The real truth on something like this isn't that Bundy will be a secret hero, he'll be an open hero for stuff like this. And the reason Bundy will be a hero is the racism. Sure, it'll be couched in the rhetoric of 'he's a patriot for standing up to the government', but he'll be a hero for the racism. A big swath of the conservative base, which should be to no one's surprise, consists of old, rural, racist, cowboy-impersonating men, all of whom seem to be heavily armed with guns and the contact info for their local Republican politician. Every day, these misguided assholes will angrily call their rep, or send emails in all capital letters, angry about some conspiracy theory, random chain email, or just the fact that they can't say the n-word. Cliven Bundy, with his words, is basically going to bring that rhetoric further into Republican conversation, because of his syncophants parroting it at every local meeting. Realistically, that's the only thing they care about, why and how everyone doesn't take kindly to them being racist old codgers anymore. And they want to do something about it, by bringing that kind of language back, at the barrel of their illegally-purchased firearm. SedanChair posted:I'm still making the bet that open racism will be crept into the party by 2016. This may be a tipping point for the base; they're going to be super pissed off when Rand Paul and crew start distancing today. They don't care about reasons. That is a good bet. Open racism will creep in more and more, because of some hero to conservatives making racist comments, then everyone taking things many steps further in the local level. Not only that, these conservatives won't just be really pissed when people distance themselves, they'll be angry at any Republican who doesn't say racist things themselves. They'll send angry email after angry email, eventually coming to the point of brandishing loaded weapons at their town hall meetings while screaming, because their local Republican isn't letting them tell racist jokes at public events, or forwarding their MS Paint drawings of Obama as a gorilla. Needless to say, this will end up destroying Republicans' chances in a couple seats, as the party can easily get painted as that big group of angry racist hicks. zoux posted:One of the things you can't actually do even in this hosed up society is actively support a confessed racist. I'm sure there will be Breitbart think pieces about "who cares if this guy's a racist!" but as far as mainstream right wing media goes, pure obvious racism like this is still radioactive. This isn't dogwhistle stuff, he said "Negros were better off picking cotton under slavery". ...and that's why the Republicans will lose seats because of this. Obvious, unfiltered racism is completely verboten, and a lot of Republican candidates will lose supporters for either not being openly racist (and losing the primary) or being openly racist (and losing the election by 40 points).
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This seems like a great opportunity for Professor of African American Studies Rand Paul to speak at a HBCU on the topic of how not only is Bundy wrong about this, but it's really the fault of Democrats.
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AsInHowe posted:...and that's why the Republicans will lose seats because of this. Obvious, unfiltered racism is completely verboten, and a lot of Republican candidates will lose supporters for either not being openly racist (and losing the primary) or being openly racist (and losing the election by 40 points). Isn't the counter to this their hilariously blatant disenfranchisement and gerrymandering? Seems to be working well so far. Though I suppose there is hope that this strategy ultimately fails. Just doesn't seem to be so far.
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SumYungGui posted:Isn't the counter to this their hilariously blatant disenfranchisement and gerrymandering? Seems to be working well so far. The thing is, blatant disenfranchisement and all might try to eliminate votes, but it doesn't viscerally connect with the racist wing of the party. They don't want discrete racism, they want to be yelling the n-word while shooting guns in the air as a crowd of people gives them a standing ovation. zoux posted:We keep hoping this but until it actually happens, I remain skeptical. The defining Republican soundbite of 2012 was Todd Akin saying something irredeemably stupid about rape, Republicans rushing to defend him, and the Democrats using it to pick up votes. The same thing will happen in 2014/2016, only with something racist.
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Wolfsheim posted:All this Bush talk brings me back to how completely, desperately hosed the country was by the end of 2008, and I got to thinking, crash aside (because who can predict a bubble, right?) what exactly was the endgame for Iraq? Like, in a perfect Republican world where everything didn't go to poo poo, how was that supposed to play out? And same question for Afghanistan, I guess. I don't know if you remember, but the subjects of how supposedly-easy (itself a massive misconception) the occupations of Germany and Japan post-WWII both were came up fairly frequently during the run-up to war and early occupation. In so far as they gave it any thought at all, it was supposed to play out like that, further evidence if any is needed that those in charge of Iraq and cheerleaders thereof were remarkably out of touch.
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AsInHowe posted:The defining Republican soundbite of 2012 was Todd Akin saying something irredeemably stupid about rape, Republicans rushing to defend him, and the Democrats using it to pick up votes. The same thing will happen in 2014/2016, only with something racist.
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Cheekio posted:This might be the most racist thing I've ever read. If you read any book that was popular in the 19th century but nobody's ever heard of it now, there's a really good chance it's absolutely packed with racist stuff. Huckleberry Finn comes up for banning every now and then, but its language is hardly extraordinary and next to piles of other contemporary writing it's far ahead of its time. And it wasn't just fiction or ignorant people. A good example is Theodore Roosevelt's The Naval War of 1812. The book starts off with a really painful discourse on the inherent qualities of the different world races as far as their qualifications for being good seamen. Another is George Borrow's The Bible in Spain, a blockbuster of the 1840s and a fantastic travel book despite the pervasive racism. (Borrow was actually pretty LF for his time, and stuck out as being uncommonly sympathetic to the Roma people of Spain; he even translated books into their dialect. Still, the book is painful.) If you've read Eco's The Prague Cemetery you get a feel for it. People are still racist shits but societal norms on how they express themselves have come a long way. ... and that has barely anything to do with GOP politics
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Sorry to beat the dead bush, but this has always been my favorite bush monent. http://youtu.be/kdimK1onR4o You can be both smart and completely ignorant at the same time. It's just most people like that don't rise to positions where they can gently caress so many people's lives over.
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JT Jag posted:I'm almost willing to bet that by 2016 a Republican congressman or congressional candidate will be caught on tape saying friend of the family, possibly referring to the President but probably not (that's honestly too on the nose), and he will be broadly defended for it instead of being asked to step down, and that'll be the Akin moment. George Allen, 2006.
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