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Ugh, just wanted to post about this after hearing it on the radio. "Of course, this is my responsibility and all but guys, it's harrrrrrrrrrd" 
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CrazyTolradi posted:Wasn't this the same shitlord who complained that Malaysia might be unsafe for these people and that they might not get humane treatment there? They'll just write another angry letter. There was an article in The Age a week or so ago by a guy who is spending a lot of time raising awareness in foreign media about the asylum seeker situation. That might help more than the UN if people start little boycotts or something.
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Apr 27, 2014 23:30
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Jesus gently caress the smugness in that photo.
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Apr 27, 2014 23:35
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The gently caress is a "human right to property"? Maybe I should steal that wording when I'm arguing about basic income.
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Apr 27, 2014 23:37
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In democracy news, Poll Bludger is reporting on a Dennis Shanahan article, about LNP/ALP submissions to the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Reform.Poll Bludger posted:Interestingly, it appears that both will advocate excluding parties from having their preferences distributed unless they clear a threshold of 1.4% of the primary vote. I can't imagine the High Court having other than a dim view of this, but it's clear that the defence of the
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You Am I posted:Jesus gently caress the smugness in that photo. Drinking coffee from Maccas should never make anyone feel smug either. Nauseous, maybe. Sick, yes. But never smug.
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Apr 27, 2014 23:42
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I hope Clive Palmer continues throwing his weight around like this. He's not entirely terrible and his antics are really amusing.
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Apr 27, 2014 23:53
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Yall would be smug too if you got paid $400k to tweet terrible opinions all day
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Apr 28, 2014 00:05
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There's a sadness in those eyes. A deep unacknowledged yearning to lie down and die. Embrace the darkness Tim. Embrace it.
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Apr 28, 2014 00:07
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Shadeoses posted:I hope Clive Palmer continues throwing his weight around like this. He's not entirely terrible and his antics are really amusing. The fact that you can even write this particular sentence is a horrible statement about how bad the major parties are.
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Apr 28, 2014 00:11
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On Palmer and blocking the budget: https://theconversation.com/explainer-could-clive-palmer-spark-a-constitutional-crisis-25916
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Apr 28, 2014 00:26
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Sorry pal, property is not a human right insofar as quarantining anything by force is a human right.
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Apr 28, 2014 00:27
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So uh, Chinese spies had complete access to all of our Parliamentary computer networks. For a year  quote:Chinese spies could have been inside computer network for up to year: reports http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...0428-zr0kz.html
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webmeister posted:So uh, Chinese spies had complete access to all of our Parliamentary computer networks. For a year Who needs IT graduates to oversee computer security in this country? We'll just get a bunch of asians in on 457s!
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norp posted:The fact that you can even write this particular sentence is a horrible statement about how bad the major parties are. To be fair, this is QLD, and the list of people I would prefer to be in the top job instead of Campbell is literally anybody else.
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Mithranderp posted:Unless a country actually wants to take us to court for violating our treaty obligations (and even then, that is not really effective; just look at the Japanese response to the ruling on their whaling program), the only thing the UNHRC can really do is tell the Government to stop. Only the Security Council can impose sanctions and they're too busy circlejerking over how naughty Russia is being. Individual countries could impose sanctions as well, but I doubt anyone would actually do so. Arnt we the head of the UN Security council this time around? e: no, that was Sept last year where Julie Bishop was for a month. Our next go is Nov this year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_Nations_Security_Council#2010.E2.80.9314 Negative Entropy fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Apr 28, 2014 |
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Apr 28, 2014 00:55
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-28/abbott-says-everyone-must-help-to-bring-budget-back-to-surplus/5414858ABC News posted:A day after failing to rule out a new tax to pay off the nation's debt, the Prime Minister will tonight describe next month's budget as not for the "rich or the poor", but "for the country". Kill me now.
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Les Affaires posted:Sorry pal, property is not a human right insofar as quarantining anything by force is a human right. b b but john locke, the enlightenment, western civilization~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Gough Suppressant posted:b b but john locke, the enlightenment, western civilization~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.progress.org/davidso4.htm posted:In 1690 John Locke, one of the most important founders of liberalism, deduced this idea as a logical consequence of his liberal principles. According to Locke, every individual has the right to maximum freedom to shape his own life. In exercising this right the individual may claim a part of nature, as long as he - and this is of key importance - leaves enough, as good for others.  Liberfuckwits can't even understand their own theorists.
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Apr 28, 2014 01:23
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Endman posted:
Locke shock and two joking O'Farrells
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Endman posted:
John Stuart Mill posted:Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative.
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Apr 28, 2014 01:33
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Yeah I know a bunch of swing voters who voted Liberal last election who are basically self flagellating right now. Doesn't make me feel that much better though. The damage to education alone will be permanent.
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Apr 28, 2014 02:18
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I misread it as 'right to human property'. Also apt, though.
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Apr 28, 2014 02:19
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Gorilla Salad posted:Also, I would like to thank Woolworth's for putting swastikas on their new homebrand rice. Good for a laugh. webmeister posted:So uh, Chinese spies had complete access to all of our Parliamentary computer networks. For a year Those poor people who had to read all that drivel. We should offer them asylum. http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/jenny-macklin/5414654 The stirrings of a comeback?
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Do you think those chinese spies had to read the 130 pages of correspondence on the Tony Abbot kitten blocker plug in?
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Mithranderp posted:Yes because it is SO HARD to make sure the people who are supposed to be ensuring the safety of these people aren't going to viciously attack them. It just highlights to me how much this country is hosed: they're basically handing us easy  s by the bucketload and no one loving cares.
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I just think its unfair that the US gets to hog all the hacking. Equal time for Chinese snooping, I say.
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Hey guys and girls Sorry to poo poo up the thread with *~my problems~* (and also considering my extremely skewed lurking:contribution ratio to this thread), but Hillsong own the local ice rink I play at and they are submitting a development application to bulldoze the place and replace it with 20 storey (or thereabouts) apartments. Obviously this is pretty distressing for the club and all the other people who use the rink for figure skating, speed skating, general sessions and all that. I know there are a couple people involved in town planning here in this thread and I am trying to build a coherent counter-proposal to submit to the council, despite my cynical misgivings about how much of a waste of time it will be trying to get the council to care more about the rink than whatever Hillsong wants to do in the name of The development proposal is here: http://www.thehills.nsw.gov.au/IgnitionSuite/uploads/docs/K%20-%20Planning%20Proposal%20to%20Dept.pdf I’ve got some good starting points for forming a counter-proposal but would extremely grateful if anyone can help me write up something that isn’t just frothing vitriol or, more importantly, if there are any obvious technical holes in their proposal I might be able to pick at. I’ve got PMs if you’d like to contact me. Unfortunately, the club only emailed us about this a few days ago and the deadline for submissions is this Friday so I know I’m asking a lot to just get some of your free time to help fight against something you probably couldn’t care less about but just thought I’d ask. Even if it’s just things like “here’s a template for how you should frame your counter-proposal so that the councils will actually sit up and take notice instead of just writing “gently caress HILLSONG” on the back of a beer coaster” would be awesome. I’m already angling at things like: - Removal of the rink removes the need for anyone other than the local residents to go there (economic & social impact) - Part or all of the 300-400 jobs they claim they would be created (yet seem to provide no justification/explanation as to how they calculated that) by expanding the nearby Marketown shops, plus whatever new jobs will be provided at the new rail station opening there - They talk about the rink being an underdevelopment of the site, yet directly next door they have a colossal carpark for the Hillsong Church that is mostly deserted except for Sundays (and the traffic congestion around there when I have practice on Sunday mornings is nuts). The footprint of the new building could easily fit in the north section of that carpark. They will also have a reduced need for the carpark now that the train station is going to be opening (hahaha yeah right as if any of the church goers in Porsche Cayenne Turbos would use public transport). - They refer to the Hills Development Control Plan and objectives ii, iii and iv on the very first page can all be used in favour of keeping the rink (this, along with my first point about removal of the rink removing any need for people to visit, will be the strongest angle imo) I don’t even remember the reason why Hillsong built the rink in the first place (someone has told me that building/operating for x years was part of the conditions for them to own such a massive amount of land up there and they’ve been wanting to demolish it as soon as legally able but I have no proof of that). Cheers
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webmeister posted:So uh, Chinese spies had complete access to all of our Parliamentary computer networks. For a year Well they may have accessed parliament's emails but by god at least they weren't able to breach the opsec around Operation Sovereign Border's on-water matters.
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Sir Captain Tim posted:..McDonald's exercising their human right.. Sir Captain Tim posted:..McDonald's exercising their human right..
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Apr 28, 2014 03:18
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Corporations are people, my friend.
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Corporations are people my friend. Edit: gently caress
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Apr 28, 2014 03:20
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Charge Tony Abbott with murder for killing the manufacturing industry.
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Gough Suppressant posted:Charge Tony Abbott with murder for killing the manufacturing industry. But he's clearly putting the boondoggle aviation industry on life support, so maybe the answer is somewhere in the middle?
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Endman posted:http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-28/abbott-says-everyone-must-help-to-bring-budget-back-to-surplus/5414858 You know what shits me the most; the amount of doublespeak that politicians practice. I imagine that it has been a part of political rhetoric forever, but it has become the dominant way to frame every issue that is not unilaterally supported. I suspect a combination of media management of politicians and the reduced barriers for publishing news have contributed to its use. When news editors are directed to write as much as possible for as cheap as possible for Internet ads; a well edited PR release starts to seem more like an inducement, then a disclosure of information. I think the deliberate use of doublespeak is something which should be stamped out. I would like to see it legislated that when a politician uses double speak in a formal or scheduled interview, speech, press conference/release or any other form of political promotion intended for public consumption, that they need to provide an explanation of the doublespeak and a reformulation of the remark to convey the same information without resorting to doublespeak. Basically something akin to a retraction or disclosure of interests. I guess what I'm essentially saying is that we should make doublespeak a form of perjury or false statement. Something that needs to be addressed when it is identified in order to avoid prosecution. quote:This will be a nation-building budget, even though it cuts spending, because you can't build a nation spending money you don't have and that's more than you need to borrow. quote:Now, we are going to do it in ways which are faithful to the commitments that we made to the Australian people... quote:You can't tax your way to prosperity. quote:McDonald's exercising their right to property. quote:It is absolutely my aspiration, it is my commitment to ensure that these places are safe, but it is difficult I think to do that in every instance... There's a reason why 'aspirational goal' was a term awarded with a doublespeak award in '08; I have a goal with no realistic/genuine means to achieve. There is a case that all of these phrases are logical contradictions and distortions of language with the intent to misinform the public to conclude the opposite meaning to the doublespeak remark. I don't think I've read an article/speech where a politician has not used doublespeak in an attempt to mislead the public over their positions, statements, and policies. This poo poo was from the last day; this stuff has to stop, its getting out of hand. Edit: gently caress large corporations like Apple who use doublespeak as the de facto way of communicating any message that isn't positive. They demonstrated that a large part percentage of people are susceptible to being misled with doublespeak. Now people with an actual responsibility to society see its widespread use as being socially acceptable; not as a means to get their way without having to genuinely inform and convince people that they are being responsible. Seriously, the poo poo that goes on with things like the NBN and asylum processing would not be an acceptable way to conduct a business. The only reason why they get away with loving, whole hog with finances and changing business plans in a very opaque manner is due to political immunity. Who would support a company director who throws money into a black hole, doesn't explain why they are doing it, how it achieves business objectives or why they changed the products and services the business is offering (and any expenses encountered/lost opportunities, or any impacts from the change). Tokamak fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Apr 28, 2014 |
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I wonder how far we are from , but for IngSoc rather than Nazism, being a thing. :orwell: 
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Captain Pissweak posted:Legalise euthanasia. No, no, no. Legalise euthanasia for politicians. We don't want typically healthy people making an impulsive decision to euthanise, due to a temporary/short-term bout of depression or other hardships.
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