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It's more petulant "nuh-uh"s rather than harrumphing and grumbling, but this post was drat near prophetic.
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Bob Schieffer: Romney may consider 2016 run if Jeb Bush doesn’t. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/27/bob-schieffer-romney-may-consider-2016-run-if-jeb-bush-doesnt/ Yesssss please.
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Who What Now posted:It's more petulant "nuh-uh"s rather than harrumphing and grumbling, but this post was drat near prophetic. It's easy to prophesy "people won't like me saying dumb poo poo" and then say dumb poo poo.
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Leopold Stotch posted:Bob Schieffer: Romney may consider 2016 run if Jeb Bush doesn’t. Oh please let Mighty Mom Jeans Mitt run for president again. I will sell my soul for this to happen. 
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Who What Now posted:Oh please let Mighty Mom Jeans Mitt run for president again. I will sell my soul for this to happen. Careful, Nixon lost his first bid but then...
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My Q-Face posted:Just like paying everbody a minimum wage of $100,000.00 per hour is the logical outcome for any argument in favor of raising it. I think the keep and bear portion of the amendment supports open carry.
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Who What Now posted:Oh please let Mighty Mom Jeans Mitt run for president again. I will sell my soul for this to happen. 2016 is shaping up to be fantastic since along with the potential for Mitt we also have Rand, Cruz, Santorum, Perry, and Rubio. Now all we need is the Cain Train, Sky Admiral Bachmann, and Leader (possibly) of the civilizing forces and the GOP nuthouse will be in full swing.
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A Winner is Jew posted:2016 is shaping up to be fantastic since along with the potential for Mitt we also have Rand, Cruz, Santorum, Perry, and Rubio. Now all we need is the Cain Train, Sky Admiral Bachmann, and Leader (possibly) of the civilizing forces and the GOP nuthouse will be in full swing. There really has never been a better time to be a popcorn politico.
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Ron Jeremy posted:I think the keep and bear portion of the amendment supports open carry. What if I think bears are dangerous enough without giving them access to firearms?
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Apr 28, 2014 17:27
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At this point I'm ready to totally give up the gun control fight because there's more important fish to fry, and it'd probably take an entire school being shot to death in a school shooting for even a single NRA member to start to reconsider their positions.
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Apr 28, 2014 17:45
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Spatula City posted:At this point I'm ready to totally give up the gun control fight because there's more important fish to fry, and it'd probably take an entire school being shot to death in a school shooting for even a single NRA member to start to reconsider their positions.
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Spatula City posted:At this point I'm ready to totally give up the gun control fight because there's more important fish to fry, and it'd probably take an entire school being shot to death in a school shooting for even a single NRA member to start to reconsider their positions. Probably quote:"Yeah, that's probably the only way we'd reassess much of anything at this point: 1,000 dead kids, shot up pretty good, lying face down in the school auditorium or something like that," LaPierre said, noting that anything less than 1,000 dead kids would not be enough for the NRA to stop urging Congress to pass pro-gun legislation. "I mean, that's just a ballpark number, but I imagine seeing 1,000 or so body bags being wheeled out of a school and a whole town of crying parents would probably make us reflect on our values for at least a little bit."
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e:f,b twiceSpatula City posted:At this point I'm ready to totally give up the gun control fight because there's more important fish to fry, and it'd probably take an entire school being shot to death in a school shooting for even a single NRA member to start to reconsider their positions. It would take 1,000 dead kids. Teachers don't count. And for argument's sake, let's say it's a situation where 999 people die and the 1,000th person is just the school shooter blowing his brains out, that seems more like an isolated incident that shouldn't really impact everyone's rights, you know.
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And those were well-off mostly white kids too.
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A Winner is Jew posted:2016 is shaping up to be fantastic since along with the potential for Mitt we also have Rand, Cruz, Santorum, Perry, and Rubio. Now all we need is the Cain Train, Sky Admiral Bachmann, and Leader (possibly) of the civilizing forces and the GOP nuthouse will be in full swing. I think the GOP is, depressingly, going to do an okay job of keeping the crazies down. Let's say, worst case scenario for the GOP, no one enters the race who hasn't already telegraphed that they would. The field would probably be something like Walker, Ryan, Paul, Cruz, and Perry. I don't believe that Rubio or Santorum are going to run, but they also have no chance of winning the nom, so whatever. The GOP knows they can't let that happen. Despite the fact that some people downplay how much the GOPe want to win the White House, they definitely see it as the crown jewel. They also know that no matter how much you polish a turd, you'll never convince anyone that it's a diamond (besides the GOP base, of course.) I just don't see them allowing such a drawn out process this time, nor do I see them letting crazies up on stage like last time. Having six people on stage throwing raw meat to a frothing audience is good to rile up your base, but it also made them look like a joke. I get the feeling that they're going to do whatever they can to reign that poo poo in this time. They've already kind of indicated their intention to do that by trying to draft Jeb Bush and reanimate Rick Perry's corpse because they know that average people react well to them. Of course, I hope it all goes tits up and we get to see GOP Thunderdome '16 with even more insane people than before. I mean, hell, Cruz and Paul alone guarantee that we'll get some comedy before they get crushed by someone with an actual campaign. [edit] Hahaha, gently caress, I didn't see that post that said that Romney would consider another funrun if JB doesn't get in. gently caress yes. Let's do this. BUSH 2112 fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Apr 28, 2014 |
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Not sure why that would change anybody's mind. The positions are the same, they would want armed guards in the school.
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SedanChair posted:Not sure why that would change anybody's mind. The positions are the same, they would want armed guards in the school.
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Spatula City posted:At this point I'm ready to totally give up the gun control fight because there's more important fish to fry, and it'd probably take an entire school being shot to death in a school shooting for even a single NRA member to start to reconsider their positions. Except the paranoia from such a shooting would only drive up gun sales, necessitating the existence of the NRA because they live to ensure that guns are being sold to people. No comment on 2A politics from me at all, but really TFR is dumb if they think the NRA aren't industry shills just because they don't get all their money from industry. That's like saying Republicans aren't shills for rich people just because most of their voters are poor. That the NRA can extract most of its money from people it doesn't really care about is irrelevant: the organization is very deeply tied to the industry through its high-ranking members.
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Mineaiki posted:Except the paranoia from such a shooting would only drive up gun sales, necessitating the existence of the NRA because they live to ensure that guns are being sold to people. TFR, for all its other flaws, is entirely aware the NRA is nothing more than a shill group for the gun industry, and you're not likely to find many kind things said about that organization in that subforum.
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BUSH 2112 posted:I think the GOP is, depressingly, going to do an okay job of keeping the crazies down. There's always some crazies in the race though. 2012 was definitely a stand out and I (sadly) doubt we'll ever see anything quite like Herman Cain again, but Alan Keyes, Gary Bauer, Tom Tancredo, Sam Brownbeck, and Pat Buchanan are all campaigns that happened. There will be someone filling those shoes in 2016.
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BUSH 2112 posted:I think the GOP is, depressingly, going to do an okay job of keeping the crazies down. Let's say, worst case scenario for the GOP, no one enters the race who hasn't already telegraphed that they would. The field would probably be something like Walker, Ryan, Paul, Cruz, and Perry. I don't believe that Rubio or Santorum are going to run, but they also have no chance of winning the nom, so whatever. 2012 was ONLY about riling up the base, testing talking points and messaging for next time, etc. They GOP establishment knew they stood absolutely no chance against Obama. 2016 will be their real try for the presidency because they actually stand a chance this time.
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Nessus posted:We know. Believe me, we know. Armed Guards is a stupid idea, though. What we need are automated emplaced gun-turrets that pop out of the ceiling. We can replace the sprinkler system with them! That way there will always be sufficient firepower to put down any shooter within the school. On topic, even though contenders are already tentatively throwing hats into the ring, is it too early to start putting bets on who will end up getting the nomination? Personally if Jeb or R-Money run for it I suspect they'll also win. I don't really see anyone else that is bland enough to "appeal" to a wide enough demographic to even pretend to have a chance in the GE.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:TFR, for all its other flaws, is entirely aware the NRA is nothing more than a shill group for the gun industry, and you're not likely to find many kind things said about that organization in that subforum. Cyrano4747 posted:Re-read what I wrote about context being important. Compared to any of the groups that really are "very wealthy and powerful and influential" the amount of money the NRA is throwing around isn't that much. Yes they outspend the Brady Campaign and MAIG, but that says less about the NRA being a well funded voice of a very wealthy and influential lobby and more about the total lack of interest on the part of anybody in donating money to the anti-gun cause.
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Dystram posted:2012 was ONLY about riling up the base, testing talking points and messaging for next time, etc. This may have been the initial party stance, but somewhere after the first general debate the party as a whole took on a "wait, we can actually win this!" vibe due to Romney's uncharacteristically strong performance, which only got progressively worse with all the "unskewing" horseshit, reaching its hilarious conclusion when no less a party establishmentarian Karl Rove threw his temper tantrum on election night.
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Intestinate the children... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sImtaK89BE0
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Cheekio posted:
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Rep. Michael Grimm (D-N.Y.), found to be exonerated for his threats against a reporter, as he had good reason to aggressively avoid questions about his campaign finance.
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On the bright side, if Romney runs again we'll get another few years of Ann Romney quotes. I fondly remember drunkenly ranting at my Republican parents about Ann Romney's dancing goddamn horse and its forthcoming tax breaks. A repeat could be comedy gold.
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Talmonis posted:On the bright side, if Romney runs again we'll get another few years of Ann Romney quotes. I fondly remember drunkenly ranting at my Republican parents about Ann Romney's dancing goddamn horse and its forthcoming tax breaks. A repeat could be comedy gold. Mitt Romney will never sniff the nomination again. He committed the unpardonable sin of losing to the black guy. I've noticed a lot of posts about how it's possible to win the nomination again after losing the Presidency, but what no one gets is that all those guys did it in an era before the Internet, 24-hour cable news, and all the other things that have made political campaigns a circus for the last 20 or so years. Hell, half the people who've sat in the big chair in the last 50 years would not have made it if the Internet had existed. JFK's illnesses would have blown his campaign to smithereens in its infancy if the Internet and cable news had been around, no matter how much money Joe Sr. threw at the problem. Can anyone honestly tell me that Reagan would have gotten a second term if rumors of him falling asleep at Cabinet meetings had leaked via the Internet and spread to every cable news station on Earth? Would Richard Nixon have won in 1968 if the Internet had gotten wind of his plan to sabotage the peace talks in Vietnam in order to screw Hubert Humphrey out of the Presidency? My point is that it isn't going to happen again. Campaigns are under a microscope now. Everything a candidate does, says, writes, or even thinks is scrutinized. Is this necessarily a bad thing? In some respects, no. But it means that in Presidential politics there are unlikely to ever be any third acts for a guy who's lost twice AND said some pretty lovely things about the middle class and the poor. Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Apr 28, 2014 |
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An amendment Republicans do not support: the sixth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsN6GnfiruA
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Captain_Maclaine posted:TFR, for all its other flaws, is entirely aware the NRA is nothing more than a shill group for the gun industry, and you're not likely to find many kind things said about that organization in that subforum. TFR is obsessed with the idea that the NRA is the scrappy little underdog compared to the wealthy
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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:An amendment Republicans do not support: the sixth. Good to see the Republicans are supporting being a good Muslim. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Apr 28, 2014 |
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Captain_Maclaine posted:TFR, for all its other flaws, is entirely aware the NRA is nothing more than a shill group for the gun industry, and you're not likely to find many kind things said about that organization in that subforum. Go read right after that post I linked and you get a spirited defense of "the NRA isn't that big", "gun manufacturers barely contribute anything", "NRA strength comes from having 5 million members, not corporate backing" apparently the NRA is still backing sportsmen, not the industry. Or is this another case of where pointing out what is being said doesn't count, and I'm about to be told accurately quoting people is "dumb poo poo" and that I need therapy? Though never mind the NRA history of things like the Cincinnati Revolution or grading votes on chromium waste regulations, they are being transparent corporate shills right now. Those new RFID smart guns being on the market has the NRA in an uproar, pushing back against the. Them being available doesn't imperil 2 amendment rights - it is another way to exercise them, ironically making the NRA the people restricting it now. But a new competitor pitching disruptive technology, yeah the existing players are going to fight that tooth and nail. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/us/politics/smart-firearm-draws-wrath-of-the-gun-lobby.html?hp&_r=1&referrer=
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Dystram posted:2012 was ONLY about riling up the base, testing talking points and messaging for next time, etc. They sure dumped a lot of money into it for people who weren't actually trying to win. If the GOP establishment were that bright they would have seen this mess with the extreme right coming from a mile away as an integral part of their policy, and they would have backed off a bit. No, I don't think they knew how bad they looked in 2012.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:TFR is obsessed with the idea that the NRA is the scrappy little underdog compared to the wealthy Sure seems that way after browsing there for a little bit. I've never seen such a hive of gun-toting spergs.
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Don't keep talking about TFR in here, they'll throw up the Gun Signal and flood the thread with their obscure injokes about Yugoslavian rifles.
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Mineaiki posted:They sure dumped a lot of money into it for people who weren't actually trying to win. If the GOP establishment were that bright they would have seen this mess with the extreme right coming from a mile away as an integral part of their policy, and they would have backed off a bit. No, I don't think they knew how bad they looked in 2012. Well, either way, the whole election was GREAT to build a narrative for them, even with Romney's gaffes - I had a few (seemingly) fairly moderate guys whip out the 47% comment to me on Friday night.
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Well guess the narrative has changed on that front quite a bit since I used to post in there more regularly, my bad.
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The evil black man will be gone so the crazies will think that their opportunity to save America has finally come! Really, I hope y'all are ready for 2016 because it's going to be amazing.
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StandardVC10 posted:Don't keep talking about TFR in here, they'll throw up the Gun Signal and flood the thread with their obscure injokes about Yugoslavian rifles. Oh come on, maybe they have some new "glock sucks" comments because people don't know the difference between "polymer composite" and "plastic"
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