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StandardVC10 posted:Don't keep talking about TFR in here, they'll throw up the Gun Signal and flood the thread with their obscure injokes about Yugoslavian rifles. That isn't a TFR thing, it's a Gun Owner on the Internet thing. /r/guns and /k/ et al. are precisely the same way. I am an owner of firearms, but the community of gun owners on the internet is definitely in the running with libertarians for most dedicated proselytizers, probably because they intersect about 80%. It is impossible to have discussions about firearms on the internet because frankly most of the other "gun owners" on forums are either deeply unpleasant people or are simply mentally ill. Dystram posted:Well, either way, the whole election was GREAT to build a narrative for them, even with Romney's gaffes - I had a few (seemingly) fairly moderate guys whip out the 47% comment to me on Friday night. Oh sure, and it was great because those of us who are paying attention to politics got a glimpse of what American conservatism looks like today and we got to see that even conservatives themselves don't understand exactly how for into the deep end they've gone.
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Mineaiki posted:That isn't a TFR thing, it's a Gun Owner on the Internet thing. /r/guns and /k/ et al. are precisely the same way. I am an owner of firearms, but the community of gun owners on the internet is definitely in the running with libertarians for most dedicated proselytizers, probably because they intersect about 80%. It is impossible to have discussions about firearms on the internet because frankly most of the other "gun owners" on forums are either deeply unpleasant people or are simply mentally ill. Right. I just meant it was a great talking-point generator for their side. I think they're going to go all-in on tax reform this time - flat tax, fair tax, consumption tax, etc. - since it plays well with the moronic boomers and elderly who vote for these assholes, and most people don't even know how a progressive income tax system works (Anecdotal, but, I even had to explain it to a few of my fairly educated liberal friends this weekend :/ ).
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I wish democrats would stop loving talking about guns. I Seriously just don't give two shits about gun control as its the least of America's problems right now. The people in TFR are fairly leftist in comparison to the average American so please stop trying to start poo poo with them because you're just dividing that already partisan electorate over dumb wedge issues. The sooner democratic politicians throw the anti gun stuff under the bus the sooner you'll start getting more people focused on things that actually matter like wealth inequality.
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Apr 28, 2014 18:43
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Kraustofski posted:I wish democrats would stop loving talking about guns. I Seriously just don't give two shits about gun control as its the least of America's problems right now. The people in TFR are fairly leftist in comparison to the average American so please stop trying to start poo poo with them because you're just dividing that already partisan electorate over dumb wedge issues. The sooner democratic politicians throw the anti gun stuff under the bus the sooner you'll start getting more people focused on things that actually matter like wealth inequality. I don't think it matters either way at this point, if a Democrat jerks off on or with the Second Amendment no one really buys it and the gun molesters view it as a Manchurian candidate ploy to take all our guns. We live in a post-factual world.
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Kraustofski posted:I wish democrats would stop loving talking about guns. I Seriously just don't give two shits about gun control as its the least of America's problems right now. The people in TFR are fairly leftist in comparison to the average American so please stop trying to start poo poo with them because you're just dividing that already partisan electorate over dumb wedge issues. The sooner democratic politicians throw the anti gun stuff under the bus the sooner you'll start getting more people focused on things that actually matter like wealth inequality. They talk about it because it's an easy bone to throw to your base - pro or anti gun - in your district or city that doesn't result in any substantive change or force you to talk about anything complex or make people think. It's the ultimate wedge issue.
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Kraustofski posted:I wish democrats would stop loving talking about guns. I Seriously just don't give two shits about gun control as its the least of America's problems right now. The people in TFR are fairly leftist in comparison to the average American so please stop trying to start poo poo with them because you're just dividing that already partisan electorate over dumb wedge issues. The sooner democratic politicians throw the anti gun stuff under the bus the sooner you'll start getting more people focused on things that actually matter like wealth inequality. I used to agree with this, now I'm not sure it is going to matter. Obama didn't mention guns at all his first term, this was taken as evidence he was going to come for guns soon. Even beyond that, American gun culture has a really ugly racial subtext to it post Mulford act. My last gun show was 2007, so it might have gotten better, but I remember seeing plenty of confederate gear, "historic" nazi stuff, and praise for the border "minutemen". Hell, Lapierre's speech this weekend had him railing about "the knockout game" as a reason to constantly be armed. I don't think there is any way you get those people to roll to income inequality by dropping guns because nonwhites are the most hurt by the inequality. And yeah, the gun show going types who marinate in that kind of rhetoric are the minority of gun owners. But they are also the politically active ones.
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Jagchosis posted:I don't think it matters either way at this point, if a Democrat jerks off on or with the Second Amendment no one really buys it and the gun molesters view it as a Manchurian candidate ploy to take all our guns. We live in a post-factual world. It's a long hard road back to legitimacy when you've staked your position on errors and lies. If not for Obama's post-Sandy Hook attack, Dems might have lost some of the taint of gun control come 2016. As it stands, they chose to portray rural working-class people who have every other reason to vote Democratic as hicks and crazies. Good outreach effort, there.
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It's still worth trying to get some sort of additional legislation, regulation or licensing or something, because goddamn, we do tend to kill more people with guns here in America than elsewhere. Trying to lower the rate of gun deaths (and lowering the rate of murder overall, ofc) should be considered a worthy aspiration by everyone, surely, because dying early sucks. I don't know if there's any way to approach that without stirring up a hornet's nest, though, which also sucks.
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Fried Chicken posted:I used to agree with this, now I'm not sure it is going to matter. Obama didn't mention guns at all his first term, this was taken as evidence he was going to come for guns soon. That's a good point but I like to hope it's at least possible, if only because that wildly racist demographic, while virulent, does seem to be shrinking (perhaps just due to age).
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Mineaiki posted:That isn't a TFR thing, it's a Gun Owner on the Internet thing. /r/guns and /k/ et al. are precisely the same way. I am an owner of firearms, but the community of gun owners on the internet is definitely in the running with libertarians for most dedicated proselytizers, probably because they intersect about 80%. It is impossible to have discussions about firearms on the internet because frankly most of the other "gun owners" on forums are either deeply unpleasant people or are simply mentally ill. The worst part is that people like that almost always believe that they are speaking for a huge "silent majority" of gun owners who supposedly think just like they do. The idea of people owning guns and not having it define their politics never even once crosses their minds.
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BUSH 2112 posted:I think the GOP is, depressingly, going to do an okay job of keeping the crazies down. Let's say, worst case scenario for the GOP, no one enters the race who hasn't already telegraphed that they would. The field would probably be something like Walker, Ryan, Paul, Cruz, and Perry. I don't believe that Rubio or Santorum are going to run, but they also have no chance of winning the nom, so whatever. The people who have been living in the Fox News/Breitbart/Drudge bubble have breathed too much methane and no amount of establishment oxygen is going to get let in. And there's enough of them that if the establishment doesn't at least give their guys lip service then they'll stay home at best and sabotage the convention at worst. All the loonies will do their own debates, their own appearances and if the establishment tries to punish them for it then there'll be hell to pay. What I'm saying is that you should buy a crate of whiskey, stock in the Betty Ford clinic, and  because unless the tea party completely implodes and disappears in the next year and a half things are going to be way worse (or better depending on your point of view) than 2012.
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SedanChair posted:It's a long hard road back to legitimacy when you've staked your position on errors and lies. If not for Obama's post-Sandy Hook attack, Dems might have lost some of the taint of gun control come 2016. As it stands, they chose to portray rural working-class people who have every other reason to vote Democratic as hicks and crazies. Good outreach effort, there. On a scale of 1 to 10 how afraid of the knockout game are you, because if saying 'yo maybe you don't need an AR-whatever' is calling every rural working class person a hick somehow you must be just enraged that one of the main faces of gun rights in this country uses that as a constant thing people should be afraid of.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:On a scale of 1 to 10 how afraid of the knockout game are you, because if saying 'yo maybe you don't need an AR-whatever' is calling every rural working class person a hick somehow you must be just enraged that one of the main faces of gun rights in this country uses that as a constant thing people should be afraid of. Thanks for providing an excellent example of the suicidal Democratic bigotry I was just alluding to.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:TFR, for all its other flaws, is entirely aware the NRA is nothing more than a shill group for the gun industry, and you're not likely to find many kind things said about that organization in that subforum. IuniusBrutus posted:I really don't understand where the idea of the massive, unbelievably wealthy gun lobby came from. The NRA alone has five million, typically highly motivated and aware members - it would have a ton of pull if they didn't spend a loving dime on lobbying. Read a bunch of the replies and responses to this post. It's a mix of people quoting sources saying 'why yes the NRA spends a ton of money' and people going 'NUH UH' and spinning a web of stupidity to justify why the NRA is really the underdog. I don't even hate on TFR - whatever, people are going to be super into whatever they're super into - but the idea that there's a TFR consensus that the NRA is actually the giant, bloated lobbying group they are is ridiculous. It is at best a contested idea, at worst flatly rejected. Fried Chicken posted:If I mentioned that posters in Games were writing rape and murder fantasies for female NPCs of the other faction of their MMO would anyone be surprised? I would, personally. I read a lot of Games and admitting on the forums to writing that kind of poo poo would get you banned if not perma'd. Like I can buy the idea of it happening because Games is a big forum and it's going to inevitably have some people on the 'ultra creepy' end of the spectrum of video game players, but that's different than it being accepted and common practice, unlike TFR and pretending the NRA isn't this gigantic, bloated gun industry lobby. Call Games idiot MRAs wrt defending their right to see women pixels that are basically masturbation material and I'm right there with you, though. There's plenty of actual bad poo poo with which to make fun of Games. SedanChair posted:Thanks for providing an excellent example of the suicidal Democratic bigotry I was just alluding to.  Please stop posting
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That's a good point but I like to hope it's at least possible, if only because that wildly racist demographic, while virulent, does seem to be shrinking (perhaps just due to age). I have heard from people that stores and shows are rolling back on the confederate/nazi/militia stuff because they are trying to pick up the suburban Hispanic demographic. Haven't been to a show in years though
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Apr 28, 2014 19:12
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SedanChair posted:Thanks for providing an excellent example of the suicidal Democratic bigotry I was just alluding to. I know that the "knockout game" bigotry talking point has nothing to do with yourself, but can you at least see why a lot of pro gun control folks see that as a thing "they" believe when the head of the NRA, Ted Nugent and every other "voice" of the gun rights movement keeps ranting about it every time a microphone is nearby?
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Apr 28, 2014 19:13
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Kraustofski posted:I wish democrats would stop loving talking about guns. I Seriously just don't give two shits about gun control as its the least of America's problems right now. The people in TFR are fairly leftist in comparison to the average American so please stop trying to start poo poo with them because you're just dividing that already partisan electorate over dumb wedge issues. The sooner democratic politicians throw the anti gun stuff under the bus the sooner you'll start getting more people focused on things that actually matter like wealth inequality. Obama had never once said anything about guns prior to 2012, had no record of any type of gun legislation one way or another. Romney had signed into law an assault rifle ban in his tenure as governor and was an outspoken advocate of the bill. The NRA still went hog wild on "Obama is coming for your guns, a vote for Romney is a vote for your guns."
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Magres posted:Call Games idiot MRAs wrt defending their right to see women pixels that are basically masturbation material and I'm right there with you, though. I don't know what threads you look at, but I've never seen anyone say this and, if anything, I would say that the games posters are way to quick to say every depiction of a woman in a game is sexist and bad.
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It honestly doesn't matter what the average gun owner thinks about gun ownership policy positions. Even if they are on average more moderate on some positions like gun shows and whatnot, the leadership of the lobbying groups they give money to hold some of the most extreme positions you possibly could on the issue. If a gun owner gives money to the NRA, it doesn't really matter to me what his own personal views on gun regulation is, I'm going to treat him as if he shares all views on guns with the NRA, because he is supporting that worldview financially.
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forbidden lesbian posted:I don't know what threads you look at, but I've never seen anyone say this and, if anything, I would say that the games posters are way to quick to say every depiction of a woman in a game is sexist and bad. Yeah, but D&D has a well established and practiced history of despising literally every other forum, Goon or not.
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Khisanth Magus posted:Obama had never once said anything about guns prior to 2012, had no record of any type of gun legislation one way or another. Yes he did. https://web.archive.org/web/20080415212157/http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.gun.html quote:Barack Obama http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/barack_obama_gun_control.htm quote:KEYES: [to Obama]: I am a strong believer in the second amendment. The gun control mentality is ruthlessly absurd. It suggests that we should pass a law that prevents law abiding citizens from carrying weapons. You end up with a situation where the crook have all the guns and the law abiding citizens cannot defend themselves. I guess that’s good enough for Senator Obama who voted against the bill that would have allowed homeowners to defend themselves if their homes were broken into. https://web.archive.org/web/20090122232955/http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/ quote:Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1 quote:The Obama administration will seek to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 during the Bush administration, Attorney General Eric Holder said today.
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Magres posted:I would, personally. I read a lot of Games and admitting on the forums to writing that kind of poo poo would get you banned if not perma'd. Like I can buy the idea of it happening because Games is a big forum and it's going to inevitably have some people on the 'ultra creepy' end of the spectrum of video game players, but that's different than it being accepted and common practice, unlike TFR and pretending the NRA isn't this gigantic, bloated gun industry lobby. Most of games is as you said, but that guy... Well "that boy ain't right". He has been banned, avatared, and posts deleted, but bounces back (I'm told because he writes for a site, don't know though). When it inevitably comes out he went Patrick Bateman on some cosplayers at blizcon, it will be a tragedy, but not a surprise.
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forbidden lesbian posted:I don't know what threads you look at, but I've never seen anyone say this and, if anything, I would say that the games posters are way to quick to say every depiction of a woman in a game is sexist and bad. I've seen chat about women in games in Games swing between Goons being decent human beings and 'ugh SJWs bitching about this again' kind of chat. Iirc bringing up social justice chat in Games was probatable for a while because they didn't want to deal with the derails. It's not a universal thing (and likewise, there are TFR posters who argue that the NRA is not the scrappy underdog defending their rights) but it's a thing that I've seen happen a fair amount and that won't get someone probated for being lovely. Fried Chicken posted:I won't post the name because this isn't a callout thread, but there is a poster who does this in games:blizzard:goon squad.  Helldump
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Talmonis posted:I know that the "knockout game" bigotry talking point has nothing to do with yourself, but can you at least see why a lot of pro gun control folks see that as a thing "they" believe when the head of the NRA, Ted Nugent and every other "voice" of the gun rights movement keeps ranting about it every time a microphone is nearby? Of course. But if you are truly reaching out to constituencies you won't tar them with a broad brush. I'm very comfortable challenging gun owners about stupid poo poo like the knockout game. Despite the efforts of the NRA to fully align gun ownership with racism and the GOP, it's becoming less true every day. Fried Chicken posted:I won't post the name because this isn't a callout thread, but there is a poster who does this in games:blizzard:goon squad. My what a catalog of hatred you've assembled. Who in the end is the most repugnant, obsessive goon?
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Fried Chicken posted:I won't post the name because this isn't a callout thread, but there is a poster who does this in games:blizzard:goon squad. Mal'Ganis Goon Squad? Because I have this horrible mental image of the Nefarian/Hellsjudge copy-pasta in long form.
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Literally 24 hours ago you were internet diagnosing people as sociopaths that didn't love the people they were married to. Pretty sure none of us will ever come close to you there champ
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SedanChair posted:My what a catalog of hatred you've assembled. Who in the end is the most repugnant, obsessive goon? Oh come on. Thinking someone is crep for writing murder/rape fanfiction is completely reasonable. What would someone have to do to, in your opinion, be worthy of being called a despicable piece of trash? This is getting ridiculous. Fakeedit: Fried Chicken posted:Literally 24 hours ago you were internet diagnosing people as sociopaths that didn't love the people they were married to. Pretty sure none of us will ever come close to you there champ Apparently "get married" is the answer to my question  Realedit: Raskolnikov38 posted:I can't speak for his list but I'd think you're pretty high up in the running. 
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SedanChair posted:My what a catalog of hatred you've assembled. Who in the end is the most repugnant, obsessive goon? I can't speak for his list but I'd think you're pretty high up in the running.
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SedanChair posted:My what a catalog of hatred you've assembled. Who in the end is the most repugnant, obsessive goon? The worst goons are the ones who post.
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Fried Chicken posted:Literally 24 hours ago you were internet diagnosing people as sociopaths that didn't love the people they were married to. Pretty sure none of us will ever come close to you there champ Nah, nah bro, Bush was an emotionally intelligent super-genius social ninja and Obama is a dark inky sociopath. /s
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Fried Chicken posted:Literally 24 hours ago you were internet diagnosing people as sociopaths that didn't love the people they were married to. Pretty sure none of us will ever come close to you there champ It's totally true that the Obama's feel nothing for each other save for the satisfaction that they have each maximized their power acquisition potential, though. I mean even Michelle said she had to be convinced to marry him, probably via intense negotiations through lawyers. Dating? What's dating?
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N. Senada posted:The worst goons are the ones who post. Hopefully this is something we can all agree on, in this forum or others, be we left, extreme left, ironically extreme left, rightish, or a coupons and deals poster.
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Everyone do me a solid and shut the gently caress up about other forums in this thread that is not about other forums, thanks!
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Politicians: jest reg'lar folks who laugh and loveRaskolnikov38 posted:I can't speak for his list but I'd think you're pretty high up in the running. I'm not running. I'm not interested in running. Not a Sherman statement
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Dystram posted:Nah, nah bro, Bush was an emotionally intelligent super-genius social ninja and Obama is a dark inky sociopath. /s wow nice racisnm
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Speaking of weirdos, that Xlyo kid is such a power tripping dick, going around like he's the judge, jury, and executioner. Oh hey, what's up? In "on topic" news: Fried Chicken said he was going to use my thing from earlier in the month for next month's thread: Everything is hosed, Emphasis on Everything.
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Phone posted:Speaking of weirdos, that Xlyo kid is such a power tripping dick, going around like he's the judge, jury, and executioner. Everyone just shut up about everything.
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