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Logan 5 posted:Took me three tries but I finally got that smelter demon down! Summoning a magic sunbro who actually knew to avoid that AoE attack helped a lot I think. You could also have summoned the NPC phantom Lucatiel. She could probably solo the thing herself.
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HellCopter posted:You could also have summoned the NPC phantom Lucatiel. She could probably solo the thing herself. Is this a joke post or did they really buff the hell out of Lucatiel?
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Leadthumb posted:Can't you just buy the lower grade titanite stuff? Guy asking about Bellkeepers: getting chunks is really easy. Join covenant, put on ring, stay within Lost Bastille. Get a constant stream of summons. Whenever you win, you get a chunk, and winning is easier than not. You get allies, the other guy almost never has them. You get NPC allies too. And the only thing the other guy gets is the ability to estus. So far my favorite Bellkeeper invasion has been a guy clearly waiting for me to come down the first set of stairs, so I just pop on my catring, roll into the hole that leads down to the first level, pop out of that alcove right behind him and backstab him for pretty much the one-hit kill. Feels good, man. Also, killing the guys who are waiting to ambush you when you spawn. Some guy just kept spamming soul arrows that I just rolled through to kill him. Fat_Cow posted:I've been sitting in the Servant Quarters with the bell ring on for 5 minutes and haven't gotten any sort of PVP, do I have to be in the bell place to get summoned?
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HellCopter posted:You could also have summoned the NPC phantom Lucatiel. She could probably solo the thing herself. Hah, no she can't. As far as I know, she'll never be good against Smelter Demon, ever.
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Zaphod42 posted:It doesn't take that long to get to harvest valley? You have to know in advance that Harvest Valley is the only place to get titanite. Weren't you saying just a page ago that people should go into this game blind and discover stuff on their own? Make up your drat mind or stop posting advice.
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Fun fact: the latest calibration has turned Lucatiel into a loving murder machine. She took out NG++ Lost Sinner and finished with half health. She still loves slowly walking off of cliffs, though.
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Zaphod42 posted:This is both the magic and the frustration of dark souls co-op. Oh god, there's voice chat now?! 
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Internet Kraken posted:You have to know in advance that Harvest Valley is the only place to get titanite. Weren't you saying just a page ago that people should go into this game blind and discover stuff on their own? Make up your drat mind or stop posting advice. You don't need titanite that badly that early in the game! If you're not to Harvest Valley yet then you don't need guaranteed titanite to advance. That's what the game is telling you. You can get all the way to Harvest Valley with a +0 weapon if you have to. I played the game blind, and I got to Harvest Valley on my own just fine, and I barely had any titanite before then and I was just fine. You're overly min/maxing the game. If you were going through blind, you wouldn't be obsessing about how much loving titanite you had, you'd be having a blast taking down bosses. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Apr 28, 2014 |
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HellCopter posted:Fun fact: the latest calibration has turned Lucatiel into a loving murder machine. She took out NG++ Lost Sinner and finished with half health.
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Sydin posted:Oh god, there's voice chat now?! I love telling people "THANK YOU" over and over.
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Guys I think my character backfired. Went to visit straid in full butterfly armour. used the branch of yore and then alt tabbed out and sort of forgot I was wearing armour that poisons friendly NPCs. Only noticed when I heard him say "you dare to challenge me?" and then cast a spell. Whoops :I
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Ravenfood posted:Starting blacksmith only sells like 5-10 shards and I haven't found anywhere else to buy stuff yet. I've been told in this thread there's an ore merchant, but right now I've got about 20 chunks and need 1 more large titanite shard to be able to upgrade to +6 to be able to use those chunks, and nobody is selling or dropping it. I'm level 65 with 1,500,000 SM, still nothing 
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Zaphod42 posted:You don't need titanite that badly that early in the game! That early in the game. I beat all 3 other lords before going to Harvest Valley. And you're saying that's early in the game.  I only "obsessed" over how much titanite I had because I wanted to use a new weapon. In Dark Souls, upgrading it would be easy since the early titanite stuff is common. In this game, I wasn't able to use it against bosses or online because I couldn't upgrade it and it did pathetic damage. All because I didn't know the one place to go to get titanite shards. The fact that your equipment progress is so heavily tied to one area in the game is a problem when its very nonlinear. But go ahead and keep pretending I'm somehow min/maxing too much by wanting to use a new weapon and not have it suck.
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Zaphod42 posted:If you were going through blind, you wouldn't be obsessing about how much loving titanite you had, you'd be having a blast taking down bosses. Making experimentation harder in the early game, when people should be encouraged to experiment and be flexible and find out what works for them, is really loving stupid.
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Fat_Cow posted:I'm level 65 with 1,500,000 SM, still nothing Sometimes theres just "down times" just do other stuff and it will start up again soon enough.
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blowingupcasinos posted:I love telling people "THANK YOU" over and over. Once I managed to throw "VERY GOOD" right as the other guy dealt the finishing blow on me. I was satisfied.
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Internet Kraken posted:That early in the game. Beating the 4 lords is like ringing the 2 bells in this game. You're like halfway at most. You don't need tons of titanite at that point yet. And if you're having trouble you can always try exploring a different way! And then you'd find the NPC!  A few levels of upgrades shouldn't make the night and day damage difference you're talking about. Do you understand weapon param scaling? When you first find the titanite vendor she only sells infinite of the lowest level of titanite. That only gets you a few levels. Maybe you can have one weapon that's upgraded more, but since this game forces you to have 2 or 3 weapons at least, because of durability, its not that much of an advantage. You really aren't supposed to have weapons that powerful yet. They give you infinite of the next level of shards later on. The difference between +0 and +3 is not the end of the world. I often find myself with a +5 and a +0 or a couple +2s or such. Its not like I'm going from hitting for infinite damage to hitting for zero damage when my durability goes down and I switch. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Apr 28, 2014 |
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Zaphod42 posted:Restarting your char is never the right answer in Haven't there been a lot of people who restarted characters because they were invaded by a hacker, killed the hacker, and now have some giant soul memory total which is both making coop summons harder to find and invasions by other high SL/SM hackers more frequent? I recall seeing posts both here and elsewhere about hackers ruining characters' SM. And yeah, that's happened to me. SM 1.9m after killing 2 hackers and I haven't cleared Iron Keep yet. I'm getting invaded about once every 20-30 minutes by red phantoms no matter what zone I'm in. Seriously considering restarting and either making preventative backups or just hoping being at the low end of the SM curve will make it less likely that hackers end up invading me on the second go-around. What would you guys do?
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Zaphod42 posted:Beating the 4 lords is like ringing the 2 bells in this game. You're like halfway at most. You don't need tons of titanite at that point yet. Or the game could just not have the early upgrade materials limited to one area when its very nonlinear. And I wasn't having trouble, because I stuck with my good weapons. It would of been nice to use others, but the game didn't really give me the opportunity. You're right that I could of explored other areas, but there were places I wanted to explore instead. I had no idea Harvest Valley was the one place with upgrade materials, so why would I got there as opposed to anywhere else I could be? There are more reasons to explore than just weapons, which is why I kept going. And no beating the 4 lords is nothing like ringing the bells. Ringing the bells doesn't take anywhere near as long nor require you to go through so many different areas. EDIT: How about you give me one good reason why the titanite shard should be limited to a single area in a nonlinear game.
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Zaphod42 posted:Beating the 4 lords is like ringing the 2 bells in this game. You're like halfway at most. You don't need tons of titanite at that point yet. You seem to have trouble understanding what they are actually talking about. They don't NEED titanite to make it easier or whatever, they want to try new weapons and experiment. Currently there is no point in trying other weapons since titanite is so restricted early that you can't upgrade them anyway. Sure, they could use non-upgraded weapons but what is the point when your old weapon is just better because of the upgrades?
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Zaphod42 posted:Restarting your char is never the right answer in I killed Mcduff on my first guy. I think I made the right choice, since I'd like to actually see that aspect of the game.
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pmchem posted:Haven't there been a lot of people who restarted characters because they were invaded by a hacker, killed the hacker, and now have some giant soul memory total which is both making coop summons harder to find and invasions by other high SL/SM hackers more frequent? I recall seeing posts both here and elsewhere about hackers ruining characters' SM. Yeah hacking is totally different and sucks. But I was talking about the Dark Souls 1 thread and that didn't happen as much (they could egg your head or give you curse but that's all, no soul memory). Dark Souls 2 is even nicer because you can respec. Hacking sucks though, for sure. That's totally different.  RBA Starblade posted:I'm 20 hours in and only have 1 soul. Its a long game  The first game took me like 80 hours to complete? Course most of that was spent in the drat Undead Burg  I should go check my completion times on console. Andrast posted:You seem to have trouble understanding what they are actually talking about. They don't NEED titanite to make it easier or whatever, they want to try new weapons and experiment. Currently there is no point in trying other weapons since titanite is so restricted early that you can't upgrade them anyway. Except the game forces you to use multiple weapons anyways? I dunno, I have multiple weapons at different upgrade levels and I don't feel like loving killing myself because I'm using one a few levels lower than the other. Like, I get that, but I honestly don't think using a +0 sometimes is so loving bad. You kinda have to, even if you manage your titanite well. That's the point! You guys have just played too many other RPGs and convinced yourselves that big numbers are all that matter. Its okay to use a +0 scimitar for awhile if you like that, even if it does 50 less damage  The game gives you a few titanite, then later gives you infinite. Then it gives you a few chunks, then later infinite. That's on purpose! If you put them all into one weapon to make an amazing +8 sword then you should be punished when that weapon is low on durability and you have to swap. Some other guy made two +5 swords instead, he doesn't hit as hard but he always hits the same. Why is that so wrong? Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Apr 28, 2014 |
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Internet Kraken posted:
Enemies in a variety of areas drop titanite shards and there's a merchant that sells an infinite amount after clearing the Iron Keep.
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Manatee Cannon posted:Enemies in a variety of areas drop titanite shards and there's a merchant that sells an infinite amount after clearing the Iron Keep. Yeah that's what he means by "a single area" How about you give me one good reason why I have to go to Anor Londo to get the Lord Vessel in a non-linear game? I should be able to go to Duke's and Izalith right from the beginning!  How about you give me one good reason why I should have to get to Lost Bastille to get boss weapons? I want everything NOW! VVVVV Ugh, some people just want to watch the world burn. That sucks so much Glad that didn't happen to me.
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah hacking is totally different and sucks. But I was talking about the Dark Souls 1 thread and that didn't happen as much (they could egg your head or give you curse but that's all, no soul memory). Dark Souls 2 is even nicer because you can respec. Hackers in DS1 could cause your character to lose all stats forever and be unable to get the Lordvessel.
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Manatee Cannon posted:Enemies in a variety of areas drop titanite shards and there's a merchant that sells an infinite amount after clearing the Iron Keep. I've seen one enemy drop titanite shards and that was the green dudes in Harvest Valley, which leads to Iron Keep, hence why I said that area is the only place to get a substantial amount of shards. Zaphod42 posted:Except the game forces you to use multiple weapons anyways? I dunno, I have multiple weapons at different upgrade levels and I don't feel like loving killing myself because I'm using one a few levels lower than the other. Stop telling other people what they have and have not done. I don't minmax in games. Its boring and pointless most of the time. Wanting to upgrade your gear and also upgrade new gear to test it out isn't minmaxing. That's what you're supposed to want to do. This was never a problem in Dark Souls and for good reason. Zaphod42 posted:Yeah that's what he means by "a single area"  You're a loving joke. You're comparing wanting to upgrade new weapons to test them out too getting specific rare items. If you have to use ridiculous hyperbole to make your argument sound even slightly plausible, its a bad argument.
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Zaphod42 posted:Except the game forces you to use multiple weapons anyways? I dunno, I have multiple weapons at different upgrade levels and I don't feel like loving killing myself because I'm using one a few levels lower than the other. I can count the times I've had to worry about durability with one hand. It's really not a large problem and it certainly doesn't require multiple weapons.
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BARONS GAMES WHINER posted:Hackers in DS1 could cause your character to lose all stats forever and be unable to get the Lordvessel. This, I don't get. I only played the PC version long enough to do the DLC stuff, but the worst I saw was invincible people. How could a hacker even edit your stats? He shouldn't logically have access to that.
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Andrast posted:I can count the times I've had to worry about durability with one hand. It's really not a large problem and it certainly doesn't require multiple weapons. Then you're probably using a weapon with abnormally high durability, because in this very thread over the last few pages people have been bitching about durability, and others have suggested using multiple weapons.
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Zaphod42 posted:This is both the magic and the frustration of dark souls co-op. I had the same experience with Old Iron King, I just wanted to co-op and play with people, and all I got to do was waste my human effigy's to retards dying in the first 5 seconds. I lost count of how many idiots died to his first smash attack. Finally got bored of trying to be cool and co-op poo poo and just one shot him.
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Zaphod42 posted:Then you're probably using a weapon with abnormally high durability, because in this very thread over the last few pages people have been bitching about durability, and others have suggested using multiple weapons. I've played through this game like 2 times now with multiple different weapons. You can easily manage durability if you know what you are doing, using multiple weapons is just easier.
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BARONS GAMES WHINER posted:Hackers in DS1 could cause your character to lose all stats forever and be unable to get the Lordvessel. Also a thing people are missing is that not only could they do those things to you, they'd do those things (egghead/curse) in the first zone of the game to brand new players. It's just a really lovely way to introduce people to the game. HellCopter posted:This, I don't get. I only played the PC version long enough to do the DLC stuff, but the worst I saw was invincible people. How could a hacker even edit your stats? He shouldn't logically have access to that. In Demon's Souls there was a boss who could "delevel" you. The code to do this was left in Dark Souls, and hackers found a way to use it. There were other things they could do that really sucked too, such as changing their status from invader/phantom to host/human and kill NPCs in your game.
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bonerstorm posted:I had the same experience with Old Iron King, I just wanted to co-op and play with people, and all I got to do was waste my human effigy's to retards dying in the first 5 seconds. I lost count of how many idiots died to his first smash attack. Finally got bored of trying to be cool and co-op poo poo and just one shot him. This is the exact opposite to me. Co-op is my shameful last resort after I've already died 20 times to a boss. I had to use Belfaire to beat the Ruin Sentinels and I still felt pretty lovely about it.
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Umberger posted:Also a thing people are missing is that not only could they do those things to you, they'd do those things (egghead/curse) in the first zone of the game to brand new players. It's just a really lovely way to introduce people to the game. Ya, this was an utter dick move situation. I had a darkwraith gimmick character that I kept at the Belfry, and wouldn't you know it, egged/cursed. Which is a real bitch when you have no way to remove it without ruining your character. Edit: Ended up hacking myself the cure items. Was just lame.
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Internet Kraken posted:I've seen one enemy drop titanite shards and that was the green dudes in Harvest Valley, which leads to Iron Keep, hence why I said that area is the only place to get a substantial amount of shards. I'm not sure what you're even complaining about then. You know where to find the thing you want. Go get the thing. I miss just buying tinkling titanite and the like from the giant blacksmith and all but why is this even a complaint? You can buy an infinite number of these things and you are guaranteed to have enough to keep several weapons sufficiently upgraded for where you are in the game.
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Manatee Cannon posted:I'm not sure what you're even complaining about then. You know where to find the thing you want. Go get the thing. I miss just buying tinkling titanite and the like from the giant blacksmith and all but why is this even a complaint? You can buy an infinite number of these things and you are guaranteed to have enough to keep several weapons sufficiently upgraded for where you are in the game. I was directly responding to a guy that said the weapon system in this game was better than in Dark Souls by pointing out how the first part of it is severely flawed, as limiting resources to one area in a nonlinear game discourages the player from trying out new gear. Maybe you should actually read before posting.
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