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Is there any punishment for Alt+F4ing? I want to explore the Ratbro covenant area but I'm sick of getting summoned every 3 steps.
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Fat_Cow posted:I've been sitting in the Servant Quarters with the bell ring on for 5 minutes and haven't gotten any sort of PVP, do I have to be in the bell place to get summoned? It's been a slow Bellday. It is a weekday to be fair.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:01
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Internet Kraken posted:I was directly responding to a guy that said the weapon system in this game was better than in Dark Souls by pointing out how the first part of it is severely flawed, as limiting resources to one area in a nonlinear game discourages the player from trying out new gear. Maybe you should actually read before posting. Maybe you should calm down. 
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Apr 28, 2014 23:01
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Christ, how long is this game? I've cleared a poo poo ton of areas and unlocked like 25+ bonfires, but I still see a bunch of stuff talked about in the thread that I've never seen and still haven't found an 1)ore seller or 2) a blacksmith that can enchant my poo poo.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:03
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Manatee Cannon posted:[...] there's a merchant that sells an infinite amount after clearing the Iron Keep. This is exactly what Internet Kraken is identifying as the poorly designed element. There is absolutely no reason to expect all or even most players to go to the Iron Keep as the first great soul, and thus, some players do not get access to infinite titanite until much later in the game. He isn't saying it's required to progress, but he is absolutely correct in saying that it really feels odd for a game this non-liner to have specific events trigger the unlock of infinite upgrade materials.They could have tied that to Soul memory or great souls obtained for better results IMO. It also doesn't help that getting to the huntsman's copse is probably the single worst part of DS2 level design. Locking this entire wing of the game until you exhaust a merchant dialog and THEN go find said merchant in an area you would NEVER need to walk through again with bonfire warp is a huge issue to me. Anecdotal I know, but I found the Copse entrance super late and only after mild spoilers, as did a bunch of people I work with.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:03
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poptart_fairy posted:If Bloodbro A invades Bloodbro B, but B kills A, will B still get a token of spite? No. He's not invading. That's how it should work at least. Does anyone want a Black Witches Staff or a Staff of Anime? Both rare drops, and I got 2, count em, TWO, Black Witches Staff. So if anyone wants to trade for them just say so.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:04
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Fun fact. The channeler trident's one-handed R2 strikes multiple times!  It takes full durability damage for each hit.  I happened to hit 3 durability-ruining enemies at the same time and shattered it when it still had 1/3 durability. 
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Apr 28, 2014 23:05
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fargom posted:This is exactly what Internet Kraken is identifying as the poorly designed element. There is absolutely no reason to expect all or even most players to go to the Iron Keep as the first great soul, and thus, some players do not get access to infinite titanite until much later in the game. He isn't saying it's required to progress, but he is absolutely correct in saying that it really feels odd for a game this non-liner to have specific events trigger the unlock of infinite upgrade materials.They could have tied that to Soul memory or great souls obtained for better results IMO. Well, the sign above the door is lit up, so it definitely lets you know something's changed. If you bother looking over there.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:05
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Is there a weapon like the Black Witch's Staff that lets you cast All Magic Ever but before, like, the endgame?neetengie posted:No. He's not invading. That's how it should work at least. Me I want the Black Witch's Staff 
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Apr 28, 2014 23:06
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I just got to bastille now. It seems like a chill place, minus the first bonfire and the waist-high wall bullshit trying to get back to it. I have a few questions. I am doing a knight character. Rockin' a bastard sword, bound wooden shield, and elite knight armor. Should I be using titanite on any of that? Is it worth it to upgrade with that stuff? Also, should I upgrade any of it from the blacksmith guy in Majula? So far, I've done Heide's tower to the end boss, Forest of Fallen Giants, and some of No-Man's Wharf (gently caress those long arm guys, hate em!). I have a halberd and bastard sword. Really liking the bastard sword more. I got the Heide Knight Sword and Flame sword, too. Preference is definitely with bastard sword. The plan is to not use magic. Will I be viable? Also, I'm enjoying summoning/being summoned to do bosses. It makes it more fun to me.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:07
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omg chael crash posted:Some rear end in a top hat that I summoned just shot me with the ballista during the Pursuer fight. It's me, I'm this guy. My kill count is at three now, all other phantoms. Stop juking into the line of fire, you dumb asses! Put the bulk of the Pursuer between you and the ballista, then turtle with your shield up until he's dead. It's not hard! I haven't been hit once, and I always volunteer to serve as bait.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:10
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fargom posted:This is exactly what Internet Kraken is identifying as the poorly designed element. There is absolutely no reason to expect all or even most players to go to the Iron Keep as the first great soul, and thus, some players do not get access to infinite titanite until much later in the game. He isn't saying it's required to progress, but he is absolutely correct in saying that it really feels odd for a game this non-liner to have specific events trigger the unlock of infinite upgrade materials.They could have tied that to Soul memory or great souls obtained for better results IMO. It's not better than Dark Souls 1 (way better than Demon's Souls though, man gently caress getting upgrade materials in that game) but it's not something to get up in arms over is what I'm saying. There are more than enough shards in the game for you to have 3-4 weapons upgraded past that point. What I was saying is that you find enough materials naturally through the game to keep your weapons up to date and that is far and away better than the last two games even if the merchant is kinda obtuse and dumb. You're right about the Huntsmans Copse though, that was pretty stupid. Though there is reason to go back, since it's clearly obvious that that is supposed to do something. You just won't remember or think the miracle merchant would have anything to do with it. I thought it was what the lockstones were for when I first saw it. 
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Apr 28, 2014 23:10
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Do the enemy hitboxes feel really wonky to anyone else, too? I've been going through Heide Fire Tower earlier today and those big sentinel guys kept missing me with swings that should have hit my two times over by all rights. Like, the weapon actually passed through me, but the hit just didn't register. I've been having the opposite problem with spear dudes. I just keep getting hit by stabs that are visually passing like three feet away from me and dodging doesn't do poo poo to help. Manatee Cannon posted:It's not better than Dark Souls 1 (way better than Demon's Souls though, man gently caress getting upgrade materials in that game) but it's not something to get up in arms over is what I'm saying. There are more than enough shards in the game for you to have 3-4 weapons upgraded past that point. What I was saying is that you find enough materials naturally through the game to keep your weapons up to date and that is far and away better than the last two games even if the merchant is kinda obtuse and dumb. Cardiovorax fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Apr 28, 2014 |
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Apr 28, 2014 23:13
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Volt Catfish posted:Is there a weapon like the Black Witch's Staff that lets you cast All Magic Ever but before, like, the endgame? Sent you a PM. vandalism posted:I just got to bastille now. It seems like a chill place, minus the first bonfire and the waist-high wall bullshit trying to get back to it. I have a few questions. Yes, you'll be viable even without magic. Bastard Sword is a worthy upgrade, I'd wait on the other stuff till you get armor and shields you really like.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:13
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DrNutt posted:Christ, how long is this game? I've cleared a poo poo ton of areas and unlocked like 25+ bonfires, but I still see a bunch of stuff talked about in the thread that I've never seen and still haven't found an 1)ore seller or 2) a blacksmith that can enchant my poo poo. Harvest Valley has a woman right by the entrance to it (you literally cannot progress past her without noticing her) that sells roe, buy some stuff from her and talk to her and she'll go to Majula. McDuff is in Bastille in an area you access by blowing up a wall (bottom of a staircase with a big mummy dude who chucks an explosive barrel down it at you). You need the Dull Ember from the Iron Keep to actually be able to buy poo poo/infuse poo poo from him.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:17
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Volt Catfish posted:Me I want the Black Witch's Staff I got pissed off at the shrine of whatever on my Strength character and rolled a sorcerer. Just when I was thinking gee it'd be nice to have a Black Witch's Staff, I go back to the Strength character and guess what drops off the first witch I kill.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:18
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vandalism posted:I just got to bastille now. It seems like a chill place, minus the first bonfire and the waist-high wall bullshit trying to get back to it. I have a few questions. Captain Oblivious posted:It's been a slow Bellday. It is a weekday to be fair. Elman posted:Is there any punishment for Alt+F4ing? I want to explore the Ratbro covenant area but I'm sick of getting summoned every 3 steps.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:22
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Captain Oblivious posted:It's been a slow Bellday. It is a weekday to be fair. Knocked out all 100 of my kills on Sunday in a quick fashion, no one was ringing that bell.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:23
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Man, after the awesome fight with the Smelter Demon the actual boss of Iron Keep is such a disappointment. Not even remotely challenging, and I didn't even use ranged attacks. I can only imagine how big of a joke it is for a mage. How do you get those treasure on the lava tiles in the Keep though? Even when I stacked tons of fire resist, the fire still hurt a ton. No way I could survive opening a chest so I feel like there's something I missed but I'm not sure what.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:23
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Ravenfood posted:
I've been hanging around near Sol which is where people about my level range should be tooling around. Nada. Just a slow Bellday.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:24
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Elman posted:Is there any punishment for Alt+F4ing? I want to explore the Ratbro covenant area but I'm sick of getting summoned every 3 steps. The real lovely thing about the rat covenant is not only do the enemies not attack the host of the world, but everything you kill is in their world so you aren't even making real progress. There's no incentive to do anything other than kill the host or die quickly. I was summoned by a crappy shield-stalling player who was constantly retreating behind enemies, I cleared out just about every rat before I finally killed him... and then returned to my world only to have to clear them all again.  Just getting summoned is a victory for them in how they can force you to waste time killing enemies in another player's world. Or you can both do a mexican standoff since there is no incentive for the summoned player to progress in the level.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:25
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Internet Kraken posted:
Try water.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:25
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Cardiovorax posted:I can only speak for myself, but I have also got some serious issues finding upgrade materials. I've just finished the Undead Purgatory and have found 3 large titanite shards total, no twinkling titanite at all and at most five or six small titanite shards, I've had to buy the rest. Compared to the fairly regular pace at which you could upgrade your stuff in Dark Souls just from drops this is really awful. You've not found a bunch of high end materials because you're not supposed to have +5 super armor and a maxed out weapon that early in the game. It does partially depend on what order you're doing things in, but I know I had twinkling titanite and at least a +5 sword without ever grinding for materials so it's entirely possible. After getting all four great souls I'm sitting on a +10 sword, +7 bow, +6 catalyst, and +5 talisman and the only grinding I did was incidental to remove the enemies from Black Gulch (being a bellhop is a far easier way to get that material but that wasn't exactly what I was going for at the time).
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Apr 28, 2014 23:26
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Leadthumb posted:I found through trial and error, the reason your halberd is breaking so fast is because you are hitting things with the shaft of the weapon. This is a pro-tip (literally?), thanks man.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:31
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Elman posted:Is there any punishment for Alt+F4ing? I want to explore the Ratbro covenant area but I'm sick of getting summoned every 3 steps.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:33
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turtlecrunch posted:This is a pro-tip (literally?), thanks man. No problem. I played through all of Dark souls with the halberd, so I started using this one as soon as I got it. Took a while to figure out what was happening. It's a very strange change, I miss my old trusty halberd. Leadthumb fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Apr 28, 2014 |
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Apr 28, 2014 23:33
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Manatee Cannon posted:You've not found a bunch of high end materials because you're not supposed to have +5 super armor and a maxed out weapon that early in the game.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:34
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turtlecrunch posted:This is a pro-tip (literally?), thanks man. Also applies to scythes too apparently. Makes me sad, the Great Scythe was my favorite weapon in DS1.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:36
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Manatee Cannon posted:It's not better than Dark Souls 1 (way better than Demon's Souls though, man gently caress getting upgrade materials in that game) but it's not something to get up in arms over is what I'm saying. There are more than enough shards in the game for you to have 3-4 weapons upgraded past that point. What I was saying is that you find enough materials naturally through the game to keep your weapons up to date and that is far and away better than the last two games even if the merchant is kinda obtuse and dumb. We went through the game in different paths, and likely this is causing us to not agree on this. However, no. I absolutely do not agree that there is enough titanite "naturally through the game" in order to keep your weapons upgraded. Sure, if you follow the wiki or a guide and know exactly the optimal path to take, or know exactly what weapon type you want to upgrade you probably aren't going to run into a problem. The issue Internet Kraken identified and I agree with is that there is not enough titanite to experiment, or you know, try out that bad rear end weapon you just found. Also, nobody is getting "up in arms" over this, it's just discussing video games in a video game thread. We can disagree on elements of a game design without trying to force other people to agree with an individual opinion.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:37
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Sanctum posted:I thought there would be a timer on how often you could get invaded like in DS1. I was only summoned once. Actually, by killing the rats in the host world, you are actively hurting him. The rats are on the same respawn total as everything else. So if people keep killing the rats in the guy's dungeon, eventually the rats stop respawning when he rests at his bonefire, and now his little dungeon isn't as nice anymore. (Mind you, he can burn the item to repop mobs)
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Apr 28, 2014 23:38
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Elysiume posted:If you disconnect after being invaded some set number of times you'll get locked out of all online play. Using the Bone of Order resets this, but you only get one (as far as I know). Either join the rat covenant or don't explore the zone. According to one of the wikis you can get another by waiting for "hours" in the starting area. Sounds dubious and dumb, but w/e.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:38
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Oh wow, they actually enabled VAC. I'm shocked. Shame that now I have to wonder if I'll get hit for x360ce.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:39
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Should add a "if you want to upgrade your gear path" to the OP: Heide's Tower of Flame---->Huntsman's Copse---->Harvest Valley---->Earthen Peak----->Iron Keep That and burn the loving windmill. Everything else is irrelevant.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:39
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Sivek posted:Should add a "if you want to upgrade your gear path" to the OP: Heide's Tower of Flame---->Huntsman's Copse---->Harvest Valley---->Earthen Peak----->Iron Keep Good luck getting through Huntsman's Copse without better gear though! Seriously that area is full of some nasty poo poo.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:40
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HAHAHA! I finally figured out the "trick" to Ruins Sentinels! It's so stupidly obvious I feel stupid for not thinking of it earlier. In short: DON'T SUMMON TWO PEOPLE! The health and defense bonus the trio have when there's three people are why they're so tough. I summoned only one guy, and between us the first Sentinel only got a single swing in before we knocked it down to half health. The Sentinels with two people might as well be made of paper compared to the Sentinels with three people.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:41
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Man, I am loving this so far. I'm still before the first boss of the game, but it's been a ton of fun. I really made a mistake starting with an Explorer, though. No damage whatsoever, so I decided to reroll as a Warrior and it's made a world of difference. That first Ballista Room was giving me so much trouble until I switched. Also having a ton of fun getting summoned and helping people with bosses. I may be getting an excess of souls, though, so I should probably slow it down. Still, if anyone wants to randomly bump into me sometime, my Steam name is Serphius and I'm always up for some jolly cooperation. 
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Apr 28, 2014 23:43
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I wonder how many areas there are that I completely forgot about just because I saw the entrance so long ago. I heard people talk about there being more than one Koopatrol in the Forest So I tried to find the area they were talking about. Ended up heading down to where I fought the Last Giant and remembered there was a locked door there. Might as well try to open it. Well I could, using the key I got from an area on the other side of the map dozens of hours later  Still can't find the turtle knights though. EDIT: Jesus christ these slamanders are wrecking me. Internet Kraken fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Apr 28, 2014 |
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Internet Kraken posted:I wonder how many areas there are that I completely forgot about just because I saw the entrance so long ago. I heard people talk about there being more than one Koopatrol in the Forest So I tried to find the area they were talking about. Ended up heading down to where I fought the Last Giant and remembered there was a locked door there. Might as well try to open it. The door is in the small room right after climbing down the bonfire ladder and before the large open area with the Hollow snipers. No clue why there is a bonfire there, it's pretty pointless.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:45
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fargom posted:We went through the game in different paths, and likely this is causing us to not agree on this. However, no. I absolutely do not agree that there is enough titanite "naturally through the game" in order to keep your weapons upgraded. Sure, if you follow the wiki or a guide and know exactly the optimal path to take, or know exactly what weapon type you want to upgrade you probably aren't going to run into a problem. The issue Internet Kraken identified and I agree with is that there is not enough titanite to experiment, or you know, try out that bad rear end weapon you just found. That remark was largely aimed at this: Internet Kraken posted:
As to the rest, I wasn't trying to force you to agree with me but I apologize if that's how I came off. But you really don't need to take an optimal path or know much anything for things to work out. Yeah, it doesn't allow you to upgrade everything you find (and I don't think it should, which is likely were we differ) but you do have the leeway to use more than one if you so choose, or even drop one you've sunk upgrades into without losing much. The materials are definitely there if you look for them.
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Apr 28, 2014 23:47
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I only got annoyed because that guy was resorting to hyperbole rather than addressing my points. He also kept posting as if he knew exactly how I played the game and suggested all my faults with it were because of a minmax mentality, which is pretty obnoxious.
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