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Azzents posted:I think it is. The skull has no eye sockets and the Frelja drops his soul. Even the name implies that it might be one of Seath's experiments from eons ago. Nah, Freja is the pet of the guy you murder right after fighting her.
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NihilVerumNisiMors posted:Freja drops the "Old Paledrake" soul on NG, plus everything is full of crystals which were Seath's thing. That's the influence of his soul. He soul had influenced the Duke to perform mad experiments, and it's likely the involved crystals since that was Seath's thing. The dragon corpse looks to be the corpse of a non-Harlequin stone dragon, likely dug up since stone scales are also something Seath pursued. NihilVerumNisiMors posted:Nah, Freja is the pet of the guy you murder right after fighting her. You still get the soul from Freija herself. I figure that, after the Duke went hollow that Seath's soul jump from the Duke to Freiha to continue it's existence. That's how Tark's master has taken many forms over the years, as he informs you.
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Apr 29, 2014 20:11
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NihilVerumNisiMors posted:Freja drops the "Old Paledrake" soul on NG, plus everything is full of crystals which were Seath's thing. Also if you talk to manscorpion tark after beating Freja there is a play on words that heavilly implies it's seathe well and also the fact that he basically outright states it him.
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NihilVerumNisiMors posted:Freja drops the "Old Paledrake" soul on NG, plus everything is full of crystals which were Seath's thing. Azzents posted:I think it is. The skull has no eye sockets and the Frelja drops his soul. Even the name implies that it might be one of Seath's experiments from eons ago. Old Iron King drops the soul of Gwyn, and The Lost Sinner drops the soul of the Witch of Izalith, yet I don't think they're literally the same people. Who knows about Nito/The Rotten, they're kinda unique I guess you could say they're incarnations or something, but personally it just feels like easter eggs, because DS2 is trying to be "DS1 but thousands of years in the future" so hard. I think the dead dragon there is just the ancient dragon you meet in the memory. Don't think he necessarily means more to the story than that. Don't really know what the point of that memory was to be honest.
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NihilVerumNisiMors posted:Nah, Freja is the pet of the guy you murder right after fighting her. The Duke? Wonder if he keeps archives.
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Manatee Cannon posted:And you use that soul to craft the Moonlight Greatsword, which you recieved by cutting his tail off on the last game. Also he has that laser breath attack. Plus, you know, the books. I think the layout of places changes over time.
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Apr 29, 2014 20:14
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Yeah there is no way it isn't seathe since there is a ridiculous amount of stuff telling you it is him.
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Apr 29, 2014 20:15
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Red Crown posted:Jesus Sinner's Rise is loving annoying solo. I first went through it with summons and it was piss easy, but if you go solo the giant demons have a huge AoE swipe that does a fuckton of damage so you can't just backstab -> have your friends annihilate them. Ugh. Send the elevator back up, lead them to the elevator room and lure them to a watery grave in that hole. If you have any decent ranged attacks, they pretty much can't touch you if you circle around the hole too. I think you can also lead them on top of the elevator platform and they'll usually die from the fall when they try to get back to you. The giant guys are also slow as gently caress so in theory you could probably just make a run for those steps and worry more about the mummies that are much faster before the big guys made it halfway to the other door.
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Broken Cog posted:Old Iron King drops the soul of Gwyn, and The Lost Sinner drops the soul of the Witch of Izalith, yet I don't think they're literally the same people. Who knows about Nito/The Rotten, they're kinda unique In the first game the lord souls were discovered, inherited. It doesn't seem a stretch to assume they were inherited again, but are not literally the same people.
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I pretty much explained all that with videogames
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Apr 29, 2014 20:16
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Broken Cog posted:Old Iron King drops the soul of Gwyn, and The Lost Sinner drops the soul of the Witch of Izalith, yet I don't think they're literally the same people. Who knows about Nito/The Rotten, they're kinda unique Lost Sinner has the maggot you find at the heart of the Bed of Bullshit crawling into her eyesocket. The bosses probably aren't straight up mutated DaS1 bosses but they are influenced/~*corrupted*~ by them.
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Kimmalah posted:Send the elevator back up, lead them to the elevator room and lure them to a watery grave in that hole. If you have any decent ranged attacks, they pretty much can't touch you if you circle around the hole too. I think you can also lead them on top of the elevator platform and they'll usually die from the fall when they try to get back to you. The mummies pathing is kinda bad and they'll fall off the bridge to the fog gate a lot. Much like how every blood stain around that gate is people being dumb and falling into the water.
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Cnidaria posted:Yeah there is no way it isn't seathe since there is a ridiculous amount of stuff telling you it is him. No one's saying Seath isn't there, he obviously is. It's that the corpse is not Seath's, it's a regular stone dragon. Duke came into possession of Seath's soul via the Writhing Ruin (which is mentioned by Tark but never seen in game; nothing suggests it's something in the game, at least), influenced to dig up Brightstone cove due to the presence of the dragon, influenced increased and he started performing crazy experiments, then the Soul body hopped to Freija as the Duke was soon to turn hollow.
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their lil poopers posted:I just sprint through that area like a wuss. Works out well. The cowards way out is a good plan most of the time, like curse part of shaded forest. I just realized that you can do that. I thought the gate was closed and I had to fight my way through 
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Red Crown posted:Jesus Sinner's Rise is loving annoying solo. I first went through it with summons and it was piss easy, but if you go solo the giant demons have a huge AoE swipe that does a fuckton of damage so you can't just backstab -> have your friends annihilate them. Ugh. The giant guys are deceived by both alluring skulls and the Yearn spell so you can get free guaranteed backstabs or just run past them if you have access to either.
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Apr 29, 2014 20:18
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How come nobody ever cares about Crestfallen Bro being reincarnated over and over again?
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NihilVerumNisiMors posted:Nah, Freja is the pet of the guy you murder right after fighting her. The guy with his back turned and his nose buried in a book? If you have the ring of whispers and talk to Manscorpion Tark he mentions that his master never dies and changes forms so that "he may seethe for all eternity" so it's implied that either the duke or Felja are Seath reincarnate.
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I've noticed something and I was wondering is Benhart's armor just from Mirrah, or did he find it after the actual Creighton abandoned it? Probably the only similarities are parts of the design, like the emblem on the cloth front and that's probably it really. Still that similarity intrigued me when I started to compare armors to see which looked good on my character.
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Genocyber posted:No one's saying Seath isn't there, he obviously is. It's that the corpse is not Seath's, it's a regular stone dragon. Duke came into possession of Seath's soul via the Writhing Ruin (which is mentioned by Tark but never seen in game; nothing suggests it's something in the game, at least), influenced to dig up Brightstone cove due to the presence of the dragon, influenced increased and he started performing crazy experiments, then the Soul body hopped to Freija as the Duke was soon to turn hollow. Seath is the only dragon that looks like that and there's zero reason for the dead dragon sitting in the big ol crystal mine hovering over the boss you get Seath's soul from to not be him. Plus, there were no stone dragons, coprses or otherwise by the time Dark Souls happened. Seath's whole thing was that he went insane trying to find dragon scales because he lost his.
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^^^ There was one Everlasting Dragon still alive in DS1... Azzents posted:The guy with his back turned and his nose buried in a book? If you have the ring of whispers and talk to Manscorpion Tark he mentions that his master never dies and changes forms so that "he may seethe for all eternity" so it's implied that either the duke or Felja are Seath reincarnate. Oh, I talked to Tark but that bit slipped my mind. Makes sense. Although the Seath/Seethe connection sounds a bit too cheesy for my taste.
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Manatee Cannon posted:Plus, there were no stone dragons, coprses or otherwise by the time Dark Souls happened. YES HUH
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Manatee Cannon posted:Seath is the only dragon that looks like that and there's zero reason for the dead dragon sitting in the big ol crystal mine hovering over the boss you get Seath's soul from to not be him. Plus, there were no stone dragons, coprses or otherwise by the time Dark Souls happened. Seath's whole thing was that he went insane trying to find dragon scales because he lost his. Later in the game, you can enter a memory by that dragon, and in it, you meet a giant, dying "Ancient Dragon" that looks nothing like Seath. I'm pretty sure it's just that, and it's down there so people can go "Holy poo poo, this Spider has captured a dragon!".
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Genocyber posted:No one's saying Seath isn't there, he obviously is. It's that the corpse is not Seath's, it's a regular stone dragon. Duke came into possession of Seath's soul via the Writhing Ruin (which is mentioned by Tark but never seen in game; nothing suggests it's something in the game, at least), influenced to dig up Brightstone cove due to the presence of the dragon, influenced increased and he started performing crazy experiments, then the Soul body hopped to Freija as the Duke was soon to turn hollow. Corpse has Seath's tentacles, and stone dragons have a much different shape. The grey appearance is likely just from the whole dead thing. It seems highly unlikely to only be a random completely unseen dragon, instead of being the dragon all the clues point to. Everything else could not be Lordran though, place is huge.
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Broken Cog posted:Later in the game, you can enter a memory by that dragon, and in it, you meet a giant, dying "Ancient Dragon" that looks nothing like Seath. I'm pretty sure it's just that, and it's down there so people can go "Holy poo poo, this Spider has captured a dragon!". I'm not that far in but is this Ancient Dragon half calamari like Seath is? That was the product of his research and being insane, normal dragons aren't Cthulhu from the waste down.
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Whats the deal with VAC now? The steam store page claims the game is VAC protected. Basically everyone who uses ds2fix (which uses a hook injection) could get banned if it's true!
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neetengie posted:They're pretty good because they have B scaling for their respective uses. I wouldn't recommend upgrading them because you can get better stuff, but they're worth buying. Speaking of, what is a good Staff for hexing? I know what I'm aiming for Chime wise but Staff? gently caress if I know.
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The Ancient Dragon you meet gives you a giant soul for beating it. The dragon memory in Freja's chamber just shows a big dead regular dragon. You get the ancient dragon soul from the memory, so I assumed the entire purpose of it (along with Nashandra's dialogue) was to demonstrate that the Ancient Dragon you meet in Dragon Aerie is a fake. Can someone take (good) screenshots of the dragon in Freja's chamber? I don't remember it looking like Seath at all. For comparison here is Seath:  e: and Ancient Dragon turtlecrunch fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Apr 29, 2014 |
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Ancient Dragon is really kicking my rear end. Sometimes it feels luck based on whether or not the flame attack from above will screw me over despite doing everything to prepare for it. Also the run back to the boss is a colossal pain in the rear end too and summoning other players to help only makes the fight worse in my experience so far (they all die within 20 seconds).
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Captain Oblivious posted:Speaking of, what is a good Staff for hexing? I know what I'm aiming for Chime wise but Staff? gently caress if I know. Black Witch Staff, Staff of Amana. Infuse with Dark. It's kind of a wash between the two. BWS has the benefit of being able to cast all types of sorceries/hexes/miracles, SoA gets a bonus to damage when you're human form. Umberger fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Apr 29, 2014 |
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I'm starting to see a trend as I play of humanoid bosses all sucking. They're all terrible  bullshit, most can't handle you literally just walking in circles around them. The worst offender I've seen so far is Old Dragonslayer which is literally just Ornstein copy&pasted with a different color palette. Did the development team run out of money halfway into the game or something? 
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Xoidanor posted:I'm starting to see a trend as I play of humanoid bosses all sucking. They're all terrible As far as I know, they didn't.
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Umberger posted:Black Witch Staff, Staff of Amana. Infuse with Dark. It's kind of a wash between the two. BWS has the benefit of being able to cast all types of sorceries/hexes/miracles, SoA gets a bonus to damage when you're human form.
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Xoidanor posted:I'm starting to see a trend as I play of humanoid bosses all sucking. They're all terrible There's a lot of stuff in this game that kinda feels like fanservice, and it rubs me the wrong way. I guess that's what you can expect from sequels, though.
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misguided rage posted:What does infusing a catalyst actually do? Does it actually boost spells, or just make you deal more damage when you smack things with it? Does it have to be the same infuse type as the spell you're casting? Magic damage determines spell damage, dark damage determines hex damage. Pretty straight forward. Enchant if you only use one, don't if you want to use both. Weapons are also naturally good for one or the other.
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Broken Cog posted:There's a lot of stuff in this game that kinda feels like fanservice, and it rubs me the wrong way. I guess that's what you can expect from sequels, though. Not really something to expect from sequels, just something to expect from people looking for an easy way out.
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Xoidanor posted:I'm starting to see a trend as I play of humanoid bosses all sucking. They're all terrible Well, I mean, The Old Dragonslayer IS supposed to be Ornstein/some sort of copy of Ornstein. Why would they NOT be similar? And I love the bosses on this game on the whole, I think there's a really good variety.
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misguided rage posted:What does infusing a catalyst actually do? Does it actually boost spells, or just make you deal more damage when you smack things with it? Does it have to be the same infuse type as the spell you're casting? You want to infuse for the type of spell you plan to use. If you like being Zeus and throwing lighting at everyone, infuse for lightning. Plain magic is good for stuff like soul arrow, dark is for hexes and I don't think you can infuse pyromancy flames anyway.
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