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Emalde posted:Yeah, anybody who thinks we're getting new megas or anything of the like are deluding the hell out of themselves. Why is that delusional?
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fade5 posted:Agreed. It's just a shame Gamefreak won't include the greatest thing about the Battle Factory: cloning. I wonder if they'll put in a tiny Easter egg acknowledging it, it's gotta be one of the most famous things about Emerald. If you say a mon was "Cloned in Emerald" everyone knows exactly what you're talking about. Wait, wait, cloning? I thought that was only exploitable through the Battle Tower.
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May 8, 2014 20:26
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Strange Quark posted:Wait, wait, cloning? I thought that was only exploitable through the Battle Tower. E: I just realized, Faraway Island with Mew and the Old Sea Chart was Emerald too. Maybe this time everyone will be able to go catch it.  Who am I kidding, the Happy Hour Inkay was Japanese only, they'll probably make Mew Japanese event only again. 
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May 8, 2014 20:28
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fade5 posted:Agreed. It's just a shame Gamefreak won't include the greatest thing about the Battle Factory: cloning. I wonder if they'll put in a tiny Easter egg acknowledging it, it's gotta be one of the most famous things about Emerald. If you say a mon was "Cloned in Emerald" everyone knows exactly what you're talking about. *press "A" in front of PC* There is a sign on the monitor... Due to overuse, This PC is out of order. Or at a table next to the bottom right table there is a nurse joy/receptionist sleeping. If you talk to her 50 times (the 49 times before are ZZZ)she says "zzz... Whoa... deja vu"
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May 8, 2014 20:33
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JesusLovesRonwell posted:Why is that delusional? It's not Gamefreak's MO at all. The best we're going to get out of ORAS is Mega Lati@s, and possibly the Volcanion event. New Mega Evolutions would absolutely require content-compatability patches and there has been no indication that this is something they intend on doing (evidenced by mega lati@s already existing). I would not even hedge any bets on Kyogre/Groudon Formes, I would sooner guess that the boxart is likely depicting how they'll be shown during their event scenes involving the Red/Blue Orbs (however it is not impossible, it's easy for GF to rig it so that formes are backwards compatible, but since we can already see placeholder data for Zygarde Formes and nothing else, there are probably not going to be new formes or if there are it will be something simple like stat re-arrangements)
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May 8, 2014 21:58
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On the other hand, I'll be real mad if we don't have new megas
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May 8, 2014 22:09
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Emalde posted:It's not Gamefreak's MO at all. The best we're going to get out of ORAS is Mega Lati@s, and possibly the Volcanion event. New Mega Evolutions would absolutely require content-compatability patches and there has been no indication that this is something they intend on doing (evidenced by mega lati@s already existing). Isn't it super easy for them to patch via street/spot pass? I don't really understand what makes formes easier to make backwards compatible vs. megas. Don't they function reasonably similarly? Was there any data for stuff like Shaymin's sky forme in Diamond/Pearl? Oxyclean fucked around with this message at 22:14 on May 8, 2014 |
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May 8, 2014 22:11
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X/Y has been patched twice so far and they were both mainly bug fixes.
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May 8, 2014 22:22
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Oxyclean posted:Isn't it super easy for them to patch via street/spot pass? I don't really understand what makes formes easier to make backwards compatible vs. megas. Don't they function reasonably similarly? Was there any data for stuff like Shaymin's sky forme in Diamond/Pearl?
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May 8, 2014 22:29
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fade5 posted:Sort of, when battling Platinum vs D/P, Sky Form Shaymin looks like standard hedgehog Shaymin on the DP cart, but is treated as having Sky Form's base stats, moveset, a Grass/Flying typing, and Serene Grace. In other words, it would not be hard to make Megas backwards compatible.
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May 8, 2014 22:35
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fade5 posted:Sort of, when battling Platinum vs D/P, Sky Form Shaymin looks like standard hedgehog Shaymin on the DP cart, but is treated as having Sky Form's base stats, moveset, a Grass/Flying typing, and Serene Grace. This was also the case for Deoxys formes, though Gen 3 was much more lax about the perceived base values on a pokemon during link cable communication. Rotom was handled the same way Shaymin was. And before anybody asks about the closest equivalent we have to emulating this with mega evolutions by pointing to Origin Giratina, you literally could not take it into the wireless modes. The Griseous Orb was automatically dumped into the bag when you went to connect to anybody. Mega Evolution is completely functionally different from just Formes though, and backwards compatibility would require patching in: new placeholder mega stones, a new set of models for the mega, metadata for switching that pokemon's attributes on the fly, and an additional sanity check for that pokemon to even have a mega evolution in the first place.
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May 8, 2014 22:39
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But surely new Megas would be a considerable selling point in a remade Pokemon which, presumably, won't have any new monsters, and will probably exist just to make certain legends (maybe Ho-oh, Lugia, etc.) and starters more easily available this gen? Not to mention new Megas would be an easy way to add value for people experiencing Poke-fatigue after XY's release only 6-7 months ago. And since Megas require stones, you could just have a bunch of new stones in ORAS for new Mega evolutions. How many people would trade stones back to XY, especially considering the competitive scene is just going to move over to ORAS when they release? Completely new Pokemon are one thing, but after establishing the whole Mega line, I don't know, it almost seems required to me that there be new Mega Pokemon in the remakes. However, we are talking about Nintendo here so who knows. You're probably right. JesusLovesRonwell fucked around with this message at 22:46 on May 8, 2014 |
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May 8, 2014 22:43
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fade5 posted:Metagross has a lot of options (just like all the pseudo-legendaries), so you have to pick whether you want to go defensive or offensive. Since you're breeding, that means tutor moves are out (including Stealth Rock which is what Defensive Metagross does), so I'd say some form of offensive Metagross would be best. Thanks for the advise. After 5 boxes of eggs, I got my shiny, which is 31/31/31/31/x/31. Not ideal, but it'll do nicely.
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May 8, 2014 22:44
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No, the value-add in remakes from Gamefreak's perspective is allowing people who hopped onto the series after the release of the original games to play them. FireRed/LeafGreen also allowed people to get a whole bunch of Pokémon which weren't accessible in Ruby/Sapphire, but that's a tangential benefit caused by the anomaly of not being able to trade forward from Gen II.
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May 8, 2014 22:45
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If they, in the generation where Blaziken got a Mega, remade the game where Blaziken was a starter and didn't also give Megas to the other two starters, there would probably be a ton of outrage. Between that and the obvious attention they're putting open Groudon and Kyogre looking different I'm fully betting on there being new Mega forms, even if they end up being unusable against X/Y opponents in Origin Giratina fashion.
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May 8, 2014 22:46
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It could honestly go either way, and I could deal with being wrong. It just seems a little bullshit that in the generation that introduced Mega Evolutions, that are enough of a core thing that they've been introduced to both the anime and the card game, that all they'd do for the remakes are two mega evolutions that evolve two things into the same thing with differing base stats. Putting Mega Lati@s in as the sole mega evolutions would be, in a way, more offensive than not even bothering with them in these new games.
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May 8, 2014 22:58
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Crosscontaminant posted:No, the value-add in remakes from Gamefreak's perspective is allowing people who hopped onto the series after the release of the original games to play them. FireRed/LeafGreen also allowed people to get a whole bunch of Pokémon which weren't accessible in Ruby/Sapphire, but that's a tangential benefit caused by the anomaly of not being able to trade forward from Gen II. Allowing people access to previously inaccessible Pokemon by way of a remake is one thing, and in my opinion the only reason the remakes exist at all (aside from Pokemon being a money-printing machine). But as a single-player, JRPG experience, the Pokemon games are so similar as to be interchangeable. You'd get virtually the same experience playing XY as you would playing ORAS. And it's not like any Pokemon story has been particularly good and worth revisiting. I bought HG not to replay Gold, but to get access to a bunch of mons unavailable in DPP, and I assume that's why most people bought it as well.
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May 8, 2014 22:59
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If we're being honest here, most people buy the remakes because they're 10 and weren't old enough to play them back when. And for the rest I think that nostalgia for a game they enjoyed is far more prominent than "I'm going to spend $40 so I can collect these five things". The collector/competitive aspects are always the smallest portion of the user base.
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May 8, 2014 23:04
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They will certainly have new (probably mega) forms for Groudon and Kyogre. Rayquaza, Sceptile and Swampert have good chances as well. Beyond that it's anyone's guess. Having said that, it's not like GF hasn't made poor decisions before. I wouldn't be surprised if all we got was the two box legendaries and Lati@s, but I would be disappointed.
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JesusLovesRonwell posted:Allowing people access to previously inaccessible Pokemon by way of a remake is one thing, and in my opinion the only reason the remakes exist at all (aside from Pokemon being a money-printing machine). But as a single-player, JRPG experience, the Pokemon games are so similar as to be interchangeable. You'd get virtually the same experience playing XY as you would playing ORAS. And it's not like any Pokemon story has been particularly good and worth revisiting. I bought HG not to replay Gold, but to get access to a bunch of mons unavailable in DPP, and I assume that's why most people bought it as well. You'd be surprised. After all, you not only have people who are nostalgic and like being able to play an old game with revised graphics and tweaks to the story they previously knew, but you also have newer generations who didn't play the games when they first came out, and want to get at least some idea of what it was like. Its going to have been eleven years since RSE first came out, and depending on how long some people had to wait before they could really start playing video games, you've got people potentially from 10-20 who never even touched that region, and so to them, this will be a new experience.
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May 8, 2014 23:09
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I mostly just want to see Hoenn in glorious 3d. And I want a treehouse.
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Nihilarian posted:They will certainly have new (probably mega) forms for Groudon and Kyogre. Rayquaza, Sceptile and Swampert have good chances as well. Beyond that it's anyone's guess. I'm pretty sure the box art already shows their Mega forms. Groudon looks like it's got lava veins and Kyogre has some new glowing markings and a head crest. Nessa posted:I mostly just want to see Hoenn in glorious 3d. I'll take secret bases back if they add some functionality, remove the need to keep something with Secret Power around, and let you mark it as a Fly landmark so you don't have to go out of the way every time you want to see it.
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May 8, 2014 23:18
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Fortree, Sootopolis, Mt. Chimney, Pacifidlog, underwater caverns, Route 119. Be still my beating heart.
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May 8, 2014 23:26
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The reason why they gave Blaziken and not the other two starters a Mega was because Blaziken was the only not stupid-as-hell starter of gen III. Also they should just give Quagsire a Mega Evolution under the "gently caress Swampert" policy. To that end, additionally subbing out Mudkip for Wooper as a starter.
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May 8, 2014 23:30
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LEGO Genetics posted:X/Y has been patched twice so far and they were both mainly bug fixes. Except the patches aren't mandatory as far as I'm aware and I don't even know if the 3DS notifies you of any patches without first having to dig through the eShop. For any other online video game network like Steam, Xbox Live, PSN, or Origin, this wouldn't be an issue because they can either automatically install updates or notify the user that they need to install them. Nintendo's online capabilities have been deficient and lagged behind the competition for so long and I've used it so sparingly that I don't know where they stand right now.
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May 8, 2014 23:32
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Edward IV posted:Except the patches aren't mandatory as far as I'm aware
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May 8, 2014 23:37
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Geostomp posted:I'm pretty sure the box art already shows their Mega forms. Groudon looks like it's got lava veins and Kyogre has some new glowing markings and a head crest.
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May 8, 2014 23:38
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Crosscontaminant posted:They are. Specifically, they're mandatory if you want to do anything that involves going online.
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May 8, 2014 23:50
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Edward IV posted:Except the patches aren't mandatory as far as I'm aware and I don't even know if the 3DS notifies you of any patches without first having to dig through the eShop. They do. When you load up an unpatched game on a 3DS that's on been connected to the internet it alerts you to a new game patch on the main menu. I learned that after swapping out my memory cards fairly recently.
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Occupation posted:The reason why they gave Blaziken and not the other two starters a Mega was because Blaziken was the only not stupid-as-hell starter of gen III. Swampert rules actually
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Occupation posted:The reason why they gave Blaziken and not the other two starters a Mega was because Blaziken was the only not stupid-as-hell starter of gen III. You have really bad opinions about Pokemon.
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Occupation posted:The reason why they gave Blaziken and not the other two starters a Mega was because Blaziken was the only not stupid-as-hell starter of gen III. Quagsire committed a cardinal sin by forcing you to evolve Wooper, the cutest of Pokemon. Quagsire is a chump compared to Wooper who is both adorable and huggable. Swampert on the other hand is the coolest dude this side of Kanto and should run for president.
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May 9, 2014 00:30
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If Gamefreak stuck in Colonel Crazy/Burnco and left out its retarded evolution from Quartz I would die an infinitely happier man.
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Rich Uncle Chet posted:Quagsire committed a cardinal sin by forcing you to evolve Wooper, the cutest of Pokemon. Quagsire is a chump compared to Wooper who is both adorable and huggable. All Water/Ground types take a bow to Gastrodon anyway.
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May 9, 2014 00:50
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I wonder what the Pokédex for ORAS is going to be like. I'm expecting it to have the Pokémon that were in Ruby and Sapphire's dex, along with the Emerald post-game safari zone, plus the Pokémon that you need to use that Pokétransporter for (excluding the starters and legendaries of course.) Actually, I'm guessing that the Game Corner in Mauville probably won't appear so there might be something else in its place... But what?
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less laughter posted:All Water/Ground types take a bow to Gastrodon anyway. Poor Whishcash...  Why the hell are there so many water/ground types anyways?
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May 9, 2014 00:57
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Technogeek posted:Specifically, they're mandatory if you want to do anything that involves going online. Okay, that's good. I was afraid that they could run into a situation where different versions of the game are running online that won't be able to connect with each other. If someone ran into that situation online because they're out of date, it becomes an ordeal to save and exit the game, download and install the update, and then start up the game and resume. It's better that that stuff is automatically handled or dealt with before playing the game.
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I would like a remake of the Gen 1 games using the X/Y engine. And by Gen 1 games, I mean Pokemon Yellow.
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On the subject of Ruby and Sapphire, did anyone ever get lucky enough to find Mirage Island? Cause I never did
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Crosspeice posted:Fortree, Sootopolis, Mt. Chimney, Pacifidlog, underwater caverns, Route 119. Be still my beating heart. This guy knows what's important
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