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AnemicChipmunk posted:Republican senators in the SC state senate and house don't like taxpayer money being spent on I read fun home for a class once. It's mostly boring and at best there is a few panels showing gay sex in the most mundane fashion possible. I'd really like to see a more detailed break down about which pages they are calling "pornography". ( who am I kidding its a book that mentions homosexuality in a non demeaning sentiment, thus porn. )
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AnemicChipmunk posted:Republican senators in the SC state senate and house don't like taxpayer money being spent on "If it's not pornography," he went on to say, "then why did I get I get a boner when I read it? Wait, I mean I didn't, even though it still is. It's not like I liked it or anything."
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May 9, 2014 22:21
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Raskolnikov38 posted:He's right wing in that he hopes that will get more people to put him on ignore so he can top out that leader board. He's a "Dad Was a Liberal, gently caress You Dad" Republican who desperately tries to pretend he's a centrist "Independent". Don't buy his puppetmaster defense.
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May 9, 2014 22:28
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If they can cut the budget from a state college just because they don't like the literature on a particular subject, then could they do this to punish other schools for teaching/assigning books on evolution/big bang theory/insert topic here? edit: Of course, given that there's not enough votes to oppose such a thing? AnemicChipmunk fucked around with this message at 22:34 on May 9, 2014 |
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May 9, 2014 22:31
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AnemicChipmunk posted:If they can cut the budget from a state college just because they don't like the literature on a particular subject, then could they do this to punish other schools for teaching/assigning books on evolution/big bang theory/insert topic here? This is basically already happening through the charter school movement (I was shocked to learn that it wasn't solely about screwing over minorities and robbing the state coffer) http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2014/01/creationism_in_texas_public_schools_undermining_the_charter_movement.html
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May 9, 2014 22:35
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Bhaal posted:The thread is moving quickly today but re: the global financial crisis I just wanted to post a video (one of many) of Mark Blyth giving a talk about sort of a post-mortem of the GFC. This a great video.
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May 9, 2014 23:04
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GROVER CURES HOUSE posted:He's a "Dad Was a Liberal, gently caress You Dad" Republican who desperately tries to pretend he's a centrist "Independent". Don't buy his puppetmaster defense. I was pretty sure the phrase was "textbook case of a concern troll", though that assessment is based on only the past couple threads or so. But the "blame only the government's lack of adequate [enforcement of] law/regulation for the financial meltdown" bit sure fits!
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GROVER CURES HOUSE posted:He's a "Dad Was a Liberal, gently caress You Dad" Republican who desperately tries to pretend he's a centrist "Independent". Don't buy his puppetmaster defense. It's hilarious that mentioning that he's looking for ignores is the magic spell that gets him to stop posting for a bit.
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GROVER CURES HOUSE posted:He's a "Dad Was a Liberal, gently caress You Dad" Republican who desperately tries to pretend he's a centrist "Independent". Don't buy his puppetmaster defense. You're just writing fanfiction at this point. Raskolnikov38 posted:It's hilarious that mentioning that he's looking for ignores is the magic spell that gets him to stop posting for a bit. I was driving and not sat at a computer. I already mentioned that was simply a joke. I still don't see a single post I've made regarding the financial conversation earlier that had a Republican slant to it, would somebody be able to point that out to me? Abjad Soup posted:I was pretty sure the phrase was "textbook case of a concern troll", though that assessment is based on only the past couple threads or so. But the "blame only the government's lack of adequate [enforcement of] law/regulation for the financial meltdown" bit sure fits!  I'm less and less impressed with the ability of the posters of this thread to parse information. The primary culpability does sit with the administration. I have claimed this and supported it, I believe. However, if someone would like to point me to a practice in one of the IBs or another financial institution that they think is more culpable in some sense, I'd like to discuss that. AIG already holds a lot of the blame in my view. I have stated as such. But I think the fact that I disagreed with "kill all the bankers" (when I couldn't even get the term "bankers" clarified with more than a surface level of knowledge) is enough to make people lose their minds - it's a bit bizarre, and very indicative of identity politics that serve nobody and only prohibit stimulating discussion.If I may state my position once more in order to help those who seem to draw their assessments out of thin air: I believe that the lack of regulation and punishment, as well as the catastrophic decision to not take over the banks by the government were the two biggest moral failures in the lead up, during and after the financial crisis. I believe that, in any given industry, you will find institutions or firms that push the limit, and regularly cross the line for what is acceptable. In this case, it is those who create and enforce the rules job to keep things in line, and punish those that do not conform. In this sense, I would blame the Bush administration the most, I suppose. I also believe that the sentiment expressed in this thread of violent justice toward a vaguely defined group (the "bankers") is both immature and poorly expressed. I can understand frustration at the practices of one group of people that effects another - but I do not think that mob style class violence is any sort of an answer here, and I suppose most reasonable folks will agree. I do, though, see the POV of those espousing it as coming from a "back against the wall" type of situation and find that understandable, but there is a reason why we do not allow the victim of a crime to dole out its punishment. The best thing the current administration and future ones can do in order to increase the health of the US economy, I think, would be to establish a GMI, universal health care, and push for and fund a massive public works initiative bringing fulfilling work to anyone that can partake. As well, for those that cannot (the mentally and physically disabled of adults), there should be robust support for them, as it is inhumane to dole out passive punishment for those that need help the most among us. This is obvious, I believe. However with this all in mind, and recognizing the small chances of these initiatives, programs, forms of support, etc. from coming, I do think there are steps that an individual can take in the mean time in order to enrich their lives and strive toward a meaningful and positive goal. In no circumstance to I think that violence or hopelessness are the best case scenarios, though as I stated before, I do think that sort of reaction is understandable even if not agreeable. I believe the previous few paragraphs encompass every single position I've ever stated in any iteration of this thread. If they are "Republican", so be it, because I try not to get caught up in the identity politics that seem to drive animosity and anger both here and among the general political discourse. edit Sorry, consolidated the posts. tbp fucked around with this message at 00:12 on May 10, 2014 |
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I have to say I side with tbp here. There's a tendency in these threads to joke about killing the rich that sounds just like disjointed Freep fantasies, and goons jump to the "it was just jokes" defense. We're not in GBS, so cut it out.
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Aurubin posted:If all that wasn’t enough, there’s one more twist. If Baker’s name sounds familiar, it could be because he is not merely a financial executive: He is also the current GOP nominee in Massachusetts’ hotly contested 2014 gubernatorial election. According to the state’s Republican Party, he is running on a promise “to change the culture of corruption.” Hey, he didn't say *how* he'd change it 
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ReidRansom posted:"If it's not pornography," he went on to say, "then why did I get I get a boner when I read it? Wait, I mean I didn't, even though it still is. It's not like I liked it or anything." Somewhere, John Ashcroft is smiling and singing "let the eagle soar"  tbp, when you say that you lay the blame on the administration, to which administration are you referring? The Obama administration, or the Bush Administration. Because I seem to recall that Bush heavily politicized the Justice department, and then AGAG developed one of the most breathtaking cases of amnesia about.
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I believe we can blame bankers because they are the regulators? Like we depended on their expertise to write laws and guide policy and they were wrong, so why are none of them poor?
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:I have to say I side with tbp here. There's a tendency in these threads to joke about killing the rich that sounds just like disjointed Freep fantasies, and goons jump to the "it was just jokes" defense. We're not in GBS, so cut it out. Who said we were joking? 
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:I have to say I side with tbp here. There's a tendency in these threads to joke about killing the rich that sounds just like disjointed Freep fantasies, and goons jump to the "it was just jokes" defense. We're not in GBS, so cut it out. Didn't the whole topic come up because people were riffing on the graphic imagery in the Clinton quote? That aside, I don't think populist uprising fantasies that target the 'capitalist oppressor' are in any way analogous to freepers fantasizing about wiping out looters/moochers. Punching up is always more culturally acceptable than kicking down and the rich and powerful have long been honing an unearned and preemptive persecution complex. Eating/killing the rich has a long and generally well respected presence in literature and pop-culture, and I don't think the same can be said for the sort of things freep rattles on about. EDIT: I'm not arguing that one is good, just that one is more culturally acceptable. I personally prefer re-education camps for bankers where they learn teamwork and how to share. 
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I'm not saying it's unreasonable to call someone who doesn't advocate for bombings or serial killing sprees a Republican or a neo-liberal or whatever, but you should at least have killed a banker yourself before you can start pointing fingers.
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May 10, 2014 00:17
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Heh, if saying that it's masturbatory to fantasize about murdering people makes you right-wing, call me a Reaganite.
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What's the most right-wing thing you've done? I voted for Bob Dole in a school-sponsored mock election in 1996.
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Evil Sagan posted:What's the most right-wing thing you've done? Bombed Iraq to cinders.
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Evil Sagan posted:What's the most right-wing thing you've done? I voted for Bob Dole in a school-sponsored mock election in 1996. I voted for Barack Obama. Twice! When I first registered to vote around the age of 18, I registered as a Republican. I've gone quite far to the left since then and have never voted for a republican presidential candidate, but have voted for republican senators/representatives a few times when I was younger.
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Fried Chicken posted:Bombed Iraq to cinders. Jesus man, have a drink. I'm partial to Jameson on the rocks myself.
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AnemicChipmunk posted:I voted for Barack Obama. Twice! I voted for Nader once so that's pretty Republican?
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Evil Sagan posted:What's the most right-wing thing you've done? I voted for Bob Dole in a school-sponsored mock election in 1996. Hey I did too, he sounded like fruit juice. edit: Also you're not Freep if you post masturbatory call to arms against vague concepts like 'bankers' and have never acted anywhere near those demands in your real life, you're Ted Rall. No one wants to be Ted Rall. sexpig by night fucked around with this message at 00:42 on May 10, 2014 |
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May 10, 2014 00:40
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I worked in finance in a tax haven with 0 income tax.
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May 10, 2014 00:41
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Was a member of the Libertarian party for about 8 months when I was 18.
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AstheWorldWorlds posted:Was a member of the Libertarian party for about 8 months when I was 18. Voted for Ralph Nader in a mock election in 6th grade because I thought libertarian meant weed for everyone
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I thought flat taxes were a good idea when I was six years old. I'm glad I peaked early.
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Evil Sagan posted:What's the most right-wing thing you've done? I voted for Bob Dole in a school-sponsored mock election in 1996.  I've never paid for anything of his at least, I only watched it Comedy Central.
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May 10, 2014 00:53
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Luigi Thirty posted:Voted for Ralph Nader in a mock election in 6th grade because I thought libertarian meant weed for everyone Yeah in retrospect I don't know why I registered as a Libertarian. The Afghanistan war was still pretty fresh and the Bush administration was gearing up for the Iraq war at the time so I think the anti-war message was appealing. I wasn't even into cannabis at the time, that came later. Also, wasn't Nader a member of the Green party not the Libertarian party?
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I heard that my net worth might break seven figures this year due to some stock tips and I rejoiced that the capital gains tax was kept at 15%.
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As a sheltered high schooler I subscribed to all kinds of awful bootstrappy bullshit and thought welfare was the devil. I also was one of those dumb centrists and thought being moderate was the best thing ever. Jerry Manderbilt fucked around with this message at 01:06 on May 10, 2014 |
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When I was in high school, I just figured the truth was somewhere in the middle.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I'll admit it: Sometimes when I'm feeling particularly vindictive I refer to it as the War of the Slaveholder's Rebellion. This poo poo drives me loving bananas. For years and years and years when I would hear that "War of Northern Aggression" poo poo I would just ask, "So, uh, who started the actual shooting part of the war?" and watch them tie themselves in knots trying to explain how it was really all Lincoln's fault. But then I read, on this very forum, the perfect comeback, which I have used every time since I read it and which I could not possibly love any more. "Well, you know, during the War of Northern Aggression-" "Wait, you mean the War of Southern Treason?" It's right up there with, "Well, the Civil War wasn't about slavery so much as it was about state's rights." This should be met with an enormous grin and a nod, then the question, "What state's rights were at issue?" Then you ask, "Hey, can I look something up for you to read real quick?" Then you just go to this place right here and put that great bigass grin back on your face and look at them silently while they read. "Oh, look, it appears the Confederacy disagrees with you! Now how about you Google for 'Alexander Stephens cornerstone speech' and CTRL-F for the words 'white supremacy' and continue your sadly-lacking education." Very little in this world is more enjoyable than emasculating and publicly destroying neo-Confederate chickenshit motherfuckers. Oh yeah, here's another good one for state's rights motherfuckers. Hey, look, the Confederate Constitution actually grants their states LESS rights than the U.S. Constitution! That's a funny way to stand up for state's rights! Just like it's kind of funny to claim the mantle of Washington and say you're fighting for freedom when your real object is to continue brutally enslaving more than four million people!
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JonathonSpectre posted:
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Evil Sagan posted:What's the most right-wing thing you've done? I voted for Bob Dole in a school-sponsored mock election in 1996. Eh, not really right wing, but when I was younger I was one of those "I'm socially liberal, fiscally conservative" types. Now I'm the exact opposite.
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Outpost22 posted:Eh, not really right wing, but when I was younger I was one of those "I'm socially liberal, fiscally conservative" types. So still a oval office? Most conservative thing I've ever done is dislike the Bay Area, apparently. It makes a lot of folk here presume I am Republican.
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Redeye Flight posted:Yeah, this is what you see in other democracies, like the UK and Germany--coalition governments which consist of two or more parties ruling together to hold a majority vote. It's not out of the realm of possibility here, either, but the problem is getting a third party up to garnering those levels of vote. Still, it's more plausible than getting a third party that can take the election solo. Note: the UK's had coalition governments exactly thrice since 1801, out of 55 elections, and one of them was the result of the combination Great Depression/World War II crisis.
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The World's Shortest Political Test told me I was a libertarian so I thought that for a while. Then someone asked me if I really thought that the government shouldn't build roads or schools and I was like "no that's crazy". That's when I stopped being a libertarian. Also I work for one of the prime villains of the GFC (not in finance though so please do not guillotine me).
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