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gently caress You And Diebold posted:Besides if we send a banker to jail no one will want to be a banker, just like how when we jail drug users everyone else stops using drugs ergo It is a goddamn pain in the rear end to explain why you accepted high-dollar campaign contributions from a federal felon. It used to be a problem, would get you in the news, and your opponent would make a big drat deal of it. The obvious choice, for both parties, is to stop prosecuting people who can sign a five figure check every two years.
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Cabbit posted:Well, it would certainly result in lower property values after the first big quake comes along. You'd see rent skyrocket after an earthquake because the low-rent housing will be destroyed. Supply collapses, but demand remains constant since you can't have a city with housing only for rich people. You might see a lot of lovely 300 sf modular apartments replace hovels, so there's that on the upside, maybe? computer parts posted:Also its weather can best be described as "damp". I've lived in DC and the Bay Area, this is false. San Francisco gets fog but the rest of the Bay area is breezy and dry. The weather there is practically magic: cars last forever, my landlord's wheelchair-bound mother got well enough to walk again after moving to Berkeley, and my girlfriend's arthritis all but vanished compared to the muggy hellhole I'm in now. Outside of an actual desert area the Bay Area is among the drier parts of the US. I've always been something of a leftist but I'm moderate left (read: real moderate left). While I think our progressive taxation should be much greater (to the point of having a maximum income at some high value like say $50 million in a year like Thomas Paine's income tax scheme) and that our safety net should be based on a GMI, Universal Healthcare, and aggressive housing control policies rather than a lot of narrow-focused and bureaucratic social safety net schemes, I'm fairly strongly free-market and pro free trade (but I believe in the right for poorer nations to use protectionism to build up nascent industries). Maybe my most right-wing idea is I'm against assault weapons related measures that get put up for votes because they're easily bypassed and hard to enforce. I'd rather just have mandatory gun training and registration for licenses with databases made encrypted/blind except when requested by subpoena (ie you can't access the names of individuals without proper cause). Of course this would make me a commie to the NRA, so it's pretty hard for me to be anything but a socialist in the eyes of 45% of America these days.
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Blindeye posted:Maybe my most right-wing idea is I'm against assault weapons related measures that get put up for votes because they're easily bypassed and hard to enforce. I'd rather just have mandatory gun training and registration for licenses with databases made encrypted/blind except when requested by subpoena (ie you can't access the names of individuals without proper cause). Of course this would make me a commie to the NRA, so it's pretty hard for me to be anything but a socialist in the eyes of 45% of America these days. Na dude you're OK here. The big problem with the whole gun thing is the right doesn't really get the responsibility of owning an object whose sole purpose is to kill/maim. Half the time it's a big dick contest. The other half is finding excuses to justify killing others.
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Blindeye posted:You'd see rent skyrocket after an earthquake because the low-rent housing will be destroyed. Supply collapses, but demand remains constant since you can't have a city with housing only for rich people. You might see a lot of lovely 300 sf modular apartments replace hovels, so there's that on the upside, maybe? See that's the thing. A lot of the worst, least earthquake-resistant buildings are exactly where the poor have already been displaced from (especially all the immediate post-1906 rebuilt places), with a lot of them having to move into boring but new enough to start having some or all of the earthquake code met housing instead. And depending on what time of day the big one hits, you might easily have hundreds of thousands of people killed or so severely injured that they're not going to be in the market for anything but a medical ward for a significant time.
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May 10, 2014 18:21
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Arglebargle III posted:It's depressing that even Bill Clinton is going after the straw man of "kill the bankers" when the actual argument is "prosecute even one banker, pretty please." Yes! Christ! I was catching up on this thread and really frustrated with how everyone jumped facefirst into the bloodbath misdirection. The first time I read that quote, my thought was "gently caress you man, how about actually prosecuting them for their crimes? Do you really think this is about nothing more than petty bloodlust? How much of a condescending douchebag can you be?" And then this thread basically just agreed with him for pages and pages, except to say that sating bloodlust was a good thing, and I got sad.
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Bill Clinton was always a prick. When he's not making justifications for an oligarchy, he's filling the room with neoliberal talking points like how we can convince the public to eliminate social security and medicare.
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Install Windows posted:See that's the thing. A lot of the worst, least earthquake-resistant buildings are exactly where the poor have already been displaced from (especially all the immediate post-1906 rebuilt places), with a lot of them having to move into boring but new enough to start having some or all of the earthquake code met housing instead. So basically what you're saying is that one day God will smote the annoying hipsters that the people in California thread complain about?
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May 10, 2014 18:56
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In my opinion, we should be making Medicare and other social safety nets more robust, not less.
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The two party system will put a Rob Ford into every office before we see nationalization of key industries (finance, energy)
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Arglebargle III posted:It's depressing that even Bill Clinton is going after the straw man of "kill the bankers" when the actual argument is "prosecute even one banker, pretty please." My argument is that they should all be guillotined by Bill Clinton.
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Swan Oat posted:My argument is that they should all be guillotined by Bill Clinton. Ok but we need some important details. Is he going to be crazed and bloodthirsty while he does it or are we going more for a Crying Freeman sort of thing?
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Blindeye posted:you can't have a city with housing only for rich people. But hoo boy, is SF going to see how close they can get.
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If you are pretty wealthy, let's say making $500k+ a year, and you manage to own a home in the Bay Area, and this tech bubble pops, does the value of your impossibly expensive home suddenly drop, or does everything stay expensive, startups just disappear while Google headquarters in the Caymans?
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Nonsense posted:If you are pretty wealthy, let's say making $500k+ a year, and you manage to own a home in the Bay Area, and this tech bubble pops, does the value of your impossibly expensive home suddenly drop, or does everything stay expensive, startups just disappear while Google headquarters in the Caymans? Here's the property values of the past 25 years or so:  So basically property values will still probably be high but it will drop by a significant amount. e: A better graph showing median prices: 
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AShamefulDisplay posted:I think the most right wing thing I ever believed was that the War in Afghanistan was the good war and that an indefinite occupation was a good idea. I believed the first one. I don't think I ever believed in the second, because I grew up reading books about World War 2, so I grew up expecting we'd be fighting a concrete enemy, find the guy in charge, kill or capture him, and then it'd be over. World's a lot more complex than it seems at age eleven. EDIT: It is incredibly appropriate that the high-price index is named after a guy named Shiller. Redeye Flight fucked around with this message at 21:03 on May 10, 2014 |
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I was a Libertarian from the time I was a kid until I actually went out and had to live in the real world. My mom let me cast her vote for the presidential election in 1992. I voted for Perot. I was 9. When I was 11 or 12 a girl whose parents were also huge libertarians saw me curiously eyeing up a copy of The Fountainhead that she was reading, and immediately handed it to me with no prompting. After that I openly identified as an Objectivist. I had a Ron Paul sticker on my computer back in 2000. My first official presidential vote was for Badnarik in 2004. In defense of myself, I will say that I never believed in actually getting rid of social welfare programs. That's part of the reason it was so easy to become a socialist, because once you realize that people just get hosed sometimes and life isn't fair (and for some people, it's rigged to be even more unfair), it's difficult to reconcile the logic of libertarianism with reality.
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Social libertarianism, as far as I understand it, is in fact good. For example I believe that we shouldn't restrict the things people do, like gay marriage.
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tbp posted:Social libertarianism, as far as I understand it, is in fact good. For example I believe that we shouldn't restrict the things people do, like gay marriage. Actually it isn't "Social libertarianism" is just a cover for people who want to get rid of anti-segregation laws.
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tbp posted:Social libertarianism, as far as I understand it, is in fact good. For example I believe that we shouldn't restrict the things people do, like gay marriage. That's classical social liberalism.
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Nonsense posted:If you are pretty wealthy, let's say making $500k+ a year, and you manage to own a home in the Bay Area, and this tech bubble pops, does the value of your impossibly expensive home suddenly drop, or does everything stay expensive, startups just disappear while Google headquarters in the Caymans? Google already is two Irish corporations with one located in the carribean and a pass through Dutch company. Google double Irish Dutch sandwich to see how they're avoiding most of their taxes
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Pope Guilty posted:But hoo boy, is SF going to see how close they can get. New York under Bloomberg tried this as well.
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KomradeX posted:New York under Bloomberg tried this as well. What are you on to be saying that? Maybe in a few select areas that just got rezoned from "illegal housing in abandoned factories and stores" to "legal housing for the trust fund kids already living there".
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Wasn't there a documentary recently about all those high rises Bloomberg approved of in Brooklyn near the old mall that drove the surrounding rents so high multiple generations of people were forced to leave? E: found it http://www.mybrooklynmovie.com/ Yawgmoft fucked around with this message at 22:27 on May 10, 2014 |
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I love Maryland. The primary challenger to the incumbent gay dude is a $15-an-hour minimum wage supporting trans woman
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Nobody should get the impression that Bill Clinton is a good guy. He is definitely miles better then any Republican and I think he is very charming but he is still a Neo-Liberal shill that wants to gut social services and thinks the government's job should be to coddle corporate interests above all else (which he did plenty of both during his 8 years).
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I love Maryland. The primary challenger to the incumbent gay dude is a $15-an-hour minimum wage supporting trans woman Which race?
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Axetrain posted:Nobody should get the impression that Bill Clinton is a good guy. He is definitely miles better then any Republican and I think he is very charming but he is still a Neo-Liberal shill that wants to gut social services and thinks the government's job should be to coddle corporate interests above all else (which he did plenty of both during his 8 years). I think it's a mistake to ascribe any ideology to Bill Clinton besides 'does whatever most benefits the Clintons'
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Arglebargle III posted:It's depressing that even Bill Clinton is going after the straw man of "kill the bankers" when the actual argument is "prosecute even one banker, pretty please." tbf we should probably actually kill all the bankers though
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Alexzandvar posted:Actually it isn't "Social libertarianism" is just a cover for people who want to get rid of anti-segregation laws. Na dude you totally have it wrong. That's socially liberal fiscally conservative.
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Good Citizen posted:Google already is two Irish corporations with one located in the carribean and a pass through Dutch company. I was unaware of the specifics of how corporations like Google avoid their taxes, so thanks for this. Of course after reading a bunch of articles and papers about it, now I'm furious, but still, good to know for future reference.
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:I was unaware of the specifics of how corporations like Google avoid their taxes, so thanks for this.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:tbf we should probably actually kill all the bankers though Lets not loving start this again, that last multi page argument was painful Here, have a super tasty drink recipe instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sebfwBVEVKE
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Nessus posted:I'm curious, what's the advantage to Ireland or the Netherlands with this? Do they get to take a tax rake? I gather the Caymans charges banks a flat fee to operate, which produces huge amounts of money for a nation of a few tens of thousands - but Ireland and the Netherlands are quite large comparatively. If it's like a normal bank than the more assets you have, the more loans you can give out using those assets. So it's good for investment stuff. e: "It" being whatever foreign bank that Google keeps their assets in.
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:I was unaware of the specifics of how corporations like Google avoid their taxes, so thanks for this. Abusing each country's legal definition of nexus is like square one in tax efficient supply chain management. What Google has done with leasing their intellectual property to themselves through what are essentially shell companies that are nothing but accounting departments is comic book super villain levels of over-the-top hilarious. Caterpillar is another company that uses international accounting fuckery to minimize tax liability. And if this stuff is making you angry then don't even think about looking at what pharmaceutical companies or international charities are doing. The legal accounting tricks used by 'phony' international charities are so crazy right now that they'll make you physically ill Good Citizen fucked around with this message at 23:54 on May 10, 2014 |
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Yet when the right talks about tax loopholes they target child and mortgage deductions.
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Good Citizen posted:Abusing each country's legal definition of nexus is like square one in tax efficient supply chain management. What Google has done with leasing their intellectual property to themselves through what are essentially shell companies that are nothing but accounting departments is comic book super villain levels of over-the-top hilarious. Caterpillar is another company that uses international accounting fuckery to minimize tax liability. And if this stuff is making you angry then don't even think about looking at what pharmaceutical companies or international charities are doing. It's way easier to make a list of companies that don't do this. Anyway: 
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Install Windows posted:It's way easier to make a list of companies that don't do this. Oh definitely. Any corporation that can afford to retain the services of tax consultants from one of the big 4 accounting firms has a tax structure nearly as complicated. Accounting is a great industry to be in right now if you can get into the upper end firms and don't mind long hours. (I'm a little biased)
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Install Windows posted:See that's the thing. A lot of the worst, least earthquake-resistant buildings are exactly where the poor have already been displaced from (especially all the immediate post-1906 rebuilt places), with a lot of them having to move into boring but new enough to start having some or all of the earthquake code met housing instead. You're in my wheelhouse though (I work on engineering risk, specifically for seismic hazards). What modern codes get you is a 2% chance in 50 years of collapse, ideally. That's new buildings, where the richest live/high end corporate businesses. The remainder of the middling buildings are closer to a 10% chance of failure. Keep in mind the goal is life-safety, not being undamaged, so of the surviving middling structures, a large number will be unoccupied for months or demolished afterwards. So now you have a situation where well-designed and well-maintained single family homes are able to be habitable, and high-rises, and a good portion of the luxury condos/apartments. The Mission is demolished/consumed by seismically-induced fires. And statistically many more people are made homeless than killed. But a lot of them are wealthy. What happens? Most likely, predatory rental costs where possible, aggressive gentrification of neighborhoods that weathered the Big One well. All those homeless poor people are displaced, gone, banished. Those that are in good rentals will see huge price increases, often forcing them out. You might see migrations within the Bay Area but ultimately while the buildings the techies live in might get hosed up, ultimately they will use their money for force out those who are "only" working service industry jobs. Now the cities of the Bay Area could try to coordinate their efforts to prevent predatory pricing of apartments in the years following an earthquake but it's doubtful. The Christchurch earthquake is the best example of a modern seismic code city in a rich country having a big one: massive loss of building stock which permanently reduces the population of the city by migration rather than deaths, and insufficient construction after the fact to fill the voids left behind. Not to mention the reduced tax revenue will kill city services hitting the poor the most. It just wouldn't be attractive to stay unless you can afford to.
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Mr. Rubio goes to New Hampshire.Marco Rubio posted:"They're threatening to nominate someone now who wants to take us to the past,to an era that's gone and never coming back," If that's gonna be their argument, I'd like to congratulate Mrs. Clinton on her win. Edit: phone post fixin' Robviously fucked around with this message at 00:34 on May 11, 2014 |
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