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Rent
Jul 20, 2004
Steal the warm wind tired friend
Tempted to go back to Windows Phone 8. Podcast app is horrible, doesn't keep place, doesn't DL episodes anymore automatically. Xbox Music works.... 30% of the time? 100% of my music is cloud based. I get "No network detected" or "you don't own rights to this song" most the time. I'm in the car 12 hours a week for work, so I need my music and podcasts :(

Also I wish they'd fix the 1520 screen FREAKING out when you unlock it and typing 100 characters with 1 button press, or not being able to slide the loving unlock screen up until you hit the lock button again. If these bugs were once in a blue moon, fine, but when it's 10 times a day? Really frustrating

:ssj:

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Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

Ouch, yeah, always infuriating when things don't work properly. If reverting is even possible it seems a solid choice, there will no doubt be patches, but there is little reason to suffer until then.


In minor better news:

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

In other weird regressions, the gallery app used to have a "Save to Skydrive" function in its tray, which no longer exists, and you can't share to Skydrive, and the Skydrive (or Onedrive throughout really) app only allows you to select single pictures. So my usual approach of using the lower-quality auto-upload and sending up better pictures as needed no longer works, and it appears that there is not really at the moment any good way to get full quality photos off the phone conveniently at all without syncing it or going to some other cloud storage vendor.

Fixed, latest version of onedrive sets itself up as a target for sharing multiple files :)

OldPueblo
May 2, 2007

Likes to argue. Wins arguments with ignorant people. Not usually against educated people, just ignorant posters. Bing it.

Rent posted:

Tempted to go back to Windows Phone 8. Podcast app is horrible, doesn't keep place, doesn't DL episodes anymore automatically. Xbox Music works.... 30% of the time? 100% of my music is cloud based. I get "No network detected" or "you don't own rights to this song" most the time. I'm in the car 12 hours a week for work, so I need my music and podcasts :(

Also I wish they'd fix the 1520 screen FREAKING out when you unlock it and typing 100 characters with 1 button press, or not being able to slide the loving unlock screen up until you hit the lock button again. If these bugs were once in a blue moon, fine, but when it's 10 times a day? Really frustrating

:ssj:

You might consider a hard reset since just about everything is backed up these days (except app data unless the app supports it). Even your start screen gets restored, might be worth a shot. I recall the same issues with the podcast app but for some reason it started working fine later. I don't recall doing anything to fix it. In terms of Xbox music, make sure you aren't at your four device limit. It doesn't necessarily tell you this, it just gives you download issues.

On another note, I wonder how/if restore works if you revert to WP8. It might say something like "Nope your backup was made in a newer version of WP, you are screwed".

Partycat
Oct 25, 2004

I get that poo poo about not being able to connect when on cellular data with a low signal. Seems like sometimes they are more touchy about time outs

Maneki Neko
Oct 27, 2000

Anyone else have issues getting Cortana to play music? She recognizes the voice command, but then complains that streaming music has to be on in the music app, even though it is.

some kinda jackal
Feb 25, 2003

 
 
I've been using my 625 for like a few weeks or a month now and I still can't get used to WP keyboard. There's just something about it that make me literally typo every word. I'm not sure whether the iPhone keyboard was any BETTER but maybe the error detection was more advanced? Can't really put my finger on why I'm so bad at this...


... much like I can't really put my finger on the keys I want :(

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Martytoof posted:

I've been using my 625 for like a few weeks or a month now and I still can't get used to WP keyboard. There's just something about it that make me literally typo every word. I'm not sure whether the iPhone keyboard was any BETTER but maybe the error detection was more advanced? Can't really put my finger on why I'm so bad at this...


... much like I can't really put my finger on the keys I want :(

If you're on WP8 and not using the swype style then the best advice I ever got was from Microsoft: "Don't pay attention to what you're typing. Try just stabbing in the general area and let the predictive figure it out." This has worked wonders for me. Just go real fast and stab in the general area of the key. The second I start trying to pay attention to what I'm doing, typing becomes an instant headache.

A Frosty Witch
Apr 21, 2005

I was just looking at it and I suddenly got this urge to get inside. No, not just an urge - more than that. It was my destiny to be here; in the box.

Martytoof posted:

I've been using my 625 for like a few weeks or a month now and I still can't get used to WP keyboard. There's just something about it that make me literally typo every word. I'm not sure whether the iPhone keyboard was any BETTER but maybe the error detection was more advanced? Can't really put my finger on why I'm so bad at this...


... much like I can't really put my finger on the keys I want :(

I've got the exact opposite problem. I type perfectly fine on my 920, but I dread having to text anything on my work iPhone. I have to really focus on what I'm writing or it just becomes a stream of gibberish.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Rent posted:

Tempted to go back to Windows Phone 8. Podcast app is horrible, doesn't keep place, doesn't DL episodes anymore automatically. Xbox Music works.... 30% of the time? 100% of my music is cloud based. I get "No network detected" or "you don't own rights to this song" most the time. I'm in the car 12 hours a week for work, so I need my music and podcasts :(

Also I wish they'd fix the 1520 screen FREAKING out when you unlock it and typing 100 characters with 1 button press, or not being able to slide the loving unlock screen up until you hit the lock button again. If these bugs were once in a blue moon, fine, but when it's 10 times a day? Really frustrating

:ssj:

Does your Podcast app have the ability to run in the background? That setting should be listed in "Battery Saver" app.

Rent
Jul 20, 2004
Steal the warm wind tired friend

OldPueblo posted:

You might consider a hard reset since just about everything is backed up these days (except app data unless the app supports it). Even your start screen gets restored, might be worth a shot. I recall the same issues with the podcast app but for some reason it started working fine later. I don't recall doing anything to fix it. In terms of Xbox music, make sure you aren't at your four device limit. It doesn't necessarily tell you this, it just gives you download issues.

On another note, I wonder how/if restore works if you revert to WP8. It might say something like "Nope your backup was made in a newer version of WP, you are screwed".

I've reset 3 times so far. I checked my 4 device limit. The music app works when it wants to. Earlier today at the gym when I REALLY wanted to use it, not at all. Then it would give me 30 second clips. Now it works just fine.

monster on a stick posted:

Does your Podcast app have the ability to run in the background? That setting should be listed in "Battery Saver" app.

Yep.


Cortana trying to be helpful. This is about 30% of the time when I try to use her for anything. Of course I have internet access and can browse the web, but Cortana won't work until I cycle airplane mode.



This is about 50% of the time when I try to play a song. I'd warn any Xbox music listener not to upgrade to 8.1 until this type of stuff gets sorted out. I know my problems aren't problems everyone is having, but there's a fair amount of us out there with these issues.

And I have to give a loving presentation on what's new and cool about 8.1 at my job. Ugh

some kinda jackal
Feb 25, 2003

 
 

BonoMan posted:

If you're on WP8 and not using the swype style then the best advice I ever got was from Microsoft: "Don't pay attention to what you're typing. Try just stabbing in the general area and let the predictive figure it out." This has worked wonders for me. Just go real fast and stab in the general area of the key. The second I start trying to pay attention to what I'm doing, typing becomes an instant headache.

What's this swype style you're referring to? Is it available in 8.1? I was hoping for legit swype on WP but their website said it wasn't available and I all but lost hope.





edit: It's enabled by default and :stare: :stare: :stare: :stare:

edit2: It's not hyperbole to say that this literally changed my entire outlook of Windows Phone. Before this I was just "this is pretty good" and now this killed like the one misgiving I had about the platform. I'm on board.

Lack of Swype will probably keep me from ever going back to a native iOS device :\

some kinda jackal fucked around with this message at 01:16 on May 9, 2014

LifeSizePotato
Mar 3, 2005

Yeah, I had never tried Swype before but had always heard people rave about it on Android phones. I was blown away on WP8.1. It's gotta be the future of tiny keyboarding.

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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Rent posted:

I've reset 3 times so far. I checked my 4 device limit. The music app works when it wants to. Earlier today at the gym when I REALLY wanted to use it, not at all. Then it would give me 30 second clips. Now it works just fine.


Yep.


Cortana trying to be helpful. This is about 30% of the time when I try to use her for anything. Of course I have internet access and can browse the web, but Cortana won't work until I cycle airplane mode.



This is about 50% of the time when I try to play a song. I'd warn any Xbox music listener not to upgrade to 8.1 until this type of stuff gets sorted out. I know my problems aren't problems everyone is having, but there's a fair amount of us out there with these issues.

And I have to give a loving presentation on what's new and cool about 8.1 at my job. Ugh
drat this is not good. This is defiantly not the normal experience, but it's hard for me to stay if you're got a bad phone, firmware issue, or an MO issue. Please use the diagnostics apps and do some repros/send logs etc.

wookieepelt
Jul 23, 2009

xylo posted:

drat this is not good. This is defiantly not the normal experience, but it's hard for me to stay if you're got a bad phone, firmware issue, or an MO issue. Please use the diagnostics apps and do some repros/send logs etc.

I'm confirming this. Xbox music sucks, but everyone in my family has only noticed a slight decrease in battery life as the only negative performance issue since upgrading. That's two NL 920s, a 1020, and my 1520.

LentThem
Aug 31, 2004

90% Retractible
Is XBM app supposed to be getting another update this week? I mean originally the plan was May 6 (or "the week of <tuesday date>," which is not how any countries describe weeks as far as I know), but users and news sites haven't said anything since the first update. I guess the first update fixed 99% of their complaints?

Also wondering if Podcasts app will ever get an update. It's been pretty quiet about this app, though I'm seeing other people have that "background downloading" issue that I have.

Also super curious about the Extras + Info update from Nokia that just dropped. WPCentral is the worst about reporting non-news, so I have no idea what this update added/changed. "Hey gang, an update for <app> was released today. There are no release notes in the app store (which you could read yourselves), so we'll just presume there were minor bug fixes and performance improvements."

some kinda jackal
Feb 25, 2003

 
 

LifeSizePotato posted:

Yeah, I had never tried Swype before but had always heard people rave about it on Android phones. I was blown away on WP8.1. It's gotta be the future of tiny keyboarding.

I need to teach it to swear though. People always thinking I'm talking about my shirt for some reason.

Don't get me wrong, I have some pretty nice shirts too.

Chasiubao
Apr 2, 2010


My 920 running Lumia Black on AT&T has decided that from about 5 PM to 8 PM, it will not retrieve mail from my company's Exchange servers. We're on Office 365, and even if I tap the round arrows to force a sync, it just says "Syncing . . . " for a bit and then finishes without actually retrieving the mail.

Anyone have this problem before?

OldPueblo
May 2, 2007

Likes to argue. Wins arguments with ignorant people. Not usually against educated people, just ignorant posters. Bing it.

Jewmanji posted:

I just checked this, and the two devices (phone and computer) don't seem to be talking often- my computer is showing me tabs from 2 days ago. Why is that?

I just stumbled across a blog post about IE11 on the phone, and saw this regarding tab syncing:

quote:

Heads up: if you are concerned about data use, we’ve got your back. Just enter your data limit in the DataSense app, and we’ll be smart about when to sync this data to help avoid data overage charges

So that could be why.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2014/05/07/what-s-new-in-internet-explorer-11-for-windows-phone.aspx

CalvinandHobbes
Aug 5, 2004

Well Xbox music got updated to add fine scrubbing and other small improvements.

I'm annoyed though that when scrolling through my music quickly, I still get to a point where it needs to catch up and fill in the artists and songs. I find this more annoying that anything.

The old music hub which is still accessible ( http://www.wpcentral.com/bring-back-old-Xbox-Music-Windows-Phone-81) doesn't have this problem.

Does anyone with more programming knowledge know why this is?

Rent
Jul 20, 2004
Steal the warm wind tired friend

xylo posted:

drat this is not good. This is defiantly not the normal experience, but it's hard for me to stay if you're got a bad phone, firmware issue, or an MO issue. Please use the diagnostics apps and do some repros/send logs etc.

What apps are used to send logs?

And does anyone know how to force Cortana to track a flight? She tracked the departure, but isn't tracking the arrival. When I bing "track flight xxx" it pulls it up, but I can't add it to the notebook or tell her to remind me when it arrives.

Captain Capacitor
Jan 21, 2008

The code you say?

Martytoof posted:

I need to teach it to swear though. People always thinking I'm talking about my shirt for some reason.

Don't get me wrong, I have some pretty nice shirts too.

Oh if there was ever a time for a Habs joke, it'd be right here. :)

Also much like the keyboard you can be pretty inaccurate with Swype and it'll figure out what you want. I'm awaiting a custom words option, as street names or the like are a bit of a pain.

Happy_Misanthrope
Aug 3, 2007

"I wanted to kill you, go to your funeral, and anyone who showed up to mourn you, I wanted to kill them too."

LentThem posted:

Is XBM app supposed to be getting another update this week? I mean originally the plan was May 6 (or "the week of <tuesday date>," which is not how any countries describe weeks as far as I know), but users and news sites haven't said anything since the first update. I guess the first update fixed 99% of their complaints?
gently caress no, it's maybe 10% better. I think people are just waiting for a few more..to get it back to the point of what was in 8.0, I guess?

Oh, in other news - some major Nokia fella that had a lot to do with the Pureview cameras has jumped ship to Apple.

Mecca-Benghazi
Mar 31, 2012


The new update adds scrubbing, which is kinda nice though it really should have been in from the start.

Also, Cortana sounds a lot more natural now when I ask it for the weather and when I threw it some joke questions.

Dr Tran
Dec 17, 2002

HE'S GOT A PH.D. IN
KICKING YOUR ASS!
What's scrubbing?

Mecca-Benghazi
Mar 31, 2012


The thing where you can go to any point where you want to in the song by dragging the little circle. I don't know why it's called that though. :(

Happy_Misanthrope
Aug 3, 2007

"I wanted to kill you, go to your funeral, and anyone who showed up to mourn you, I wanted to kill them too."

CalvinandHobbes posted:

Well Xbox music got updated to add fine scrubbing and other small improvements.
...with a ridiculously tiny control. Since you can drag by holding the panorama view anywhere on the screen, try doing it with one-handed with your thumb on a 520. Basically impossible, I have to angle my thumb so that almost my nail is pointing at the control, and even then I still swipe the whole view more than half the time. Forget about doing this with gloves of course, even though there's plenty of space on even a small screen like the 520 to make all the controls easily accessible with an oversized thumb - but hey, Metro branding. Gotta have that xbox m- taking up the majority of the vertical height.

I mean really, this should have taken a few attempts to realize "well this is pointless". Separate it out from the album art image more, make the control larger - really, really basic UI stuff that is patently obvious right of the gate and MS just continually fucks it up.

quote:

I'm annoyed though that when scrolling through my music quickly, I still get to a point where it needs to catch up and fill in the artists and songs. I find this more annoying that anything.
Believe me, this is still better than before. Still the slowest music app I've used on any smartphone in recent years though.

quote:

Does anyone with more programming knowledge know why this is?
"Incompetence".

Happy_Misanthrope fucked around with this message at 15:45 on May 10, 2014

PlaneGuy
Mar 28, 2001

g e r m a n
e n g i n e e r i n g

Yam Slacker

Happy_Misanthrope posted:

...with a ridiculously tiny control. Since you can drag by holding the panorama view anywhere

Like literally in the first paragraph in the documentation for panoramas is don't use panoramas everywhere they are mostly useless

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!
What's Xbox Music like when roaming? I know it can cache music offline, but does it play without a data connection? In Android and Play Music All Access, I pin my playlists and the music in it is available all the time, without a data connection to check licenses (up to a certain point, I suppose).

wookieepelt
Jul 23, 2009

Combat Pretzel posted:

What's Xbox Music like when roaming? I know it can cache music offline, but does it play without a data connection? In Android and Play Music All Access, I pin my playlists and the music in it is available all the time, without a data connection to check licenses (up to a certain point, I suppose).

It checks licenses once a month. You don't need data the rest of the time.

Kidney Stone
Dec 28, 2008

The worst pain ever!
Just ordered a Lumia 1020 (mostly due to the camera) - already got a iPhone 5 which I now need to sell.

Doomsday Jesus
Oct 8, 2004

Doomsday Jesus we need you now.
I saw an article that was 16 hours old saying WP 8.1 will be rolled out June 24th. Of course carriers decide when you will get it.

imnotinsane
Jul 19, 2006
Been listening to some audiobooks on xbox music and noticed it doesn't deal very well with albums that have a lot of tracks. It just ends and I have to go into the app and manually select the next track so that it keeps playing. Super annoying. Hopefully an update fixes it soon. Must be tied up to what ever bug that doesn't load all the tracks in an album view and you have to keep scrolling down for them to appear.

Rent
Jul 20, 2004
Steal the warm wind tired friend

Happy_Misanthrope posted:

gently caress no, it's maybe 10% better. I think people are just waiting for a few more..to get it back to the point of what was in 8.0, I guess?

It's so bad I ended up flashing WP8 on it. I drive A LOT, so my phone is primarily used for podcasts/music. All my music is in Xbox Music Cloud. If anyone cares to read my rant, some of my issues I had:

    Rarely able to play my cloud music
    Sometimes I'd get the old music view (yay), sometimes not. Very weird and unstable. I'd pin an album to start screen from Xbox music, and sometimes it'd play 5 tracks, sometimes 15 :iiam:
    SLOOOOOOOOOOWEST music app I've ever used in my life
    I miss being able to easily control music while driving with a swipe

    Podcasts never downloaded over wifi for me
    Podcasts never kept their place, which defeats the purpose of the app
    Podcasts that used to have the show's artwork didn't have album art anymore, so I'd get an ugly tile
    Sometimes I'd double tap the rewind to go back and it would rewing, sometimes it would take me back to start. Inconsistent

    Phone would get so hot I would have to take it out of my pocket. It was incredibly uncomfortable in my pocket. THAT'S how hot my phone would get on a regular basis. IN AIRPLANE MODE
    Can barely make it through the day with very light/casual usage on a 3400mah battery. Ridiculous
    Camera app would randomly open. Even when the phone is just sitting on a table not being touched. I managed to take something like 1.5gb of photos while it was in my pocket one night

All in all, I'll eagerly updated to 8.1 when it comes out officially, but I don't think I'll do a preview again. I guess I expected a little more.

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
GET PUMPED!
Nap Ghost
I'm going to be in New York City this Friday and Saturday for //Publish/, a Microsoft run event for getting apps into the Windows Phone and Windows 8 stores. I'm not sure what app I'll actually be working on though. I was doing some massive refactoring work on Awful Forums Reader over the weekend, so I should be able to get the Windows Phone version submitted during the event. I also have a universal version of CrouMetro I'm building, but I have a feeling few people there are going to care about a Japanese social networking app.

Eh, I'll figure it out :v:.

Rent posted:

All in all, I'll eagerly updated to 8.1 when it comes out officially, but I don't think I'll do a preview again. I guess I expected a little more.

To be fair, the preview is a bit like running an later iOS beta version. It's not unusable, but it's still meant primarily for developers and not really meant to be used as a daily driver.

EdEddnEddy
Apr 5, 2012



Picked up a Lumia Icon for my Mom on Mothers Day to replace the aging yet still going Trophy. In the store I got it setup with 8.1 and every app and setting I could see her using. We will see how she likes it, and I definitely need to get a case/protector on it since it feels great, but is drat slick and feels easy to drop.
Haven't messed with the default music app yet as I have yet to apply the 1year Xbox Music pass to her account yet, but the Nokia Music Mix app is pretty slick and has been pulling up some good songs based on the artist she picked.

Overall it is one hell of a device and the camera is as fantastic as I expected. Even she can finally take some stable beautiful pics (the 5Mp on the Trophy was showing its age when new).

I will be keeping an eye on the battery life usage. I did a hard reset right after installing the 8.1 update just to make sure it was as clean of an install as possible.

They were pushing for me to jump ship from Sprint but they couldn't throw me any plan near the price I pay, and even with Sprint lovely 3G in my area (and the potential of being throttled as a top 5% er which I more than likely will be), I still was able to pull down 5G of data last month which would throw me way over the 2G plan they were trying to push me onto... (My phone usually hovering around .1-.4mbit the entire time.. and I was not Tethering.)

But the 10Mbit LTE was nice.


Now why in the hell can broadband companies be just a little less evil, and make it unlimited data capped at say 3-5Mbit speeds? What the hell is useful about anything faster on a phone especially when you can only use say a 10mbit connection (fully utilized) for about 34minutes before blowing through your 2G Monthly cap?

I guess it comes down to pure money making, but man talk about putting a huge roadblock on the internet and there is no end in sight for us in the US (and even worse for Canada I hear). Funny how even stuck with 1.5Mbit DSL at my home, I still pulled down nearly 100G in the last week running a Steam reinstall on my laptop.

HorseHeadBed
May 6, 2009
Thinking that I might get a Lumia 1020 as I like the notion of a good camera on me at all times. I've got a mac, though, and am a little leery of interoperability problems from past Android and Blackberry handsets. Is it much of a problem swapping things between WP8 and Mac OS X? I've got a gmail account, calendar and contacts and wouldn't really be putting music on the phone, just taking photos and videos off it. Files will go through Evernote or Onedrive, but I don't think I want to sync HD video and 41 megapixel photos over Bluetooth or any other wireless connection. I know an iPhone would make life simpler, but there's something about that big yellow bastard of a Nokia that makes me want it...

Maneki Neko
Oct 27, 2000

HorseHeadBed posted:

Thinking that I might get a Lumia 1020 as I like the notion of a good camera on me at all times. I've got a mac, though, and am a little leery of interoperability problems from past Android and Blackberry handsets. Is it much of a problem swapping things between WP8 and Mac OS X? I've got a gmail account, calendar and contacts and wouldn't really be putting music on the phone, just taking photos and videos off it. Files will go through Evernote or Onedrive, but I don't think I want to sync HD video and 41 megapixel photos over Bluetooth or any other wireless connection. I know an iPhone would make life simpler, but there's something about that big yellow bastard of a Nokia that makes me want it...

There's a sync app for Mac for syncing up music/videos/photos:

http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/how-to/wp8/windows-phone-app-for-mac

HorseHeadBed
May 6, 2009

Maneki Neko posted:

There's a sync app for Mac for syncing up music/videos/photos:

http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/how-to/wp8/windows-phone-app-for-mac

I know, but I was wondering if anyone's actually used it. The sync apps for BB and Sony Xperia were less than pleasant to use on a Mac.

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
GET PUMPED!
Nap Ghost

HorseHeadBed posted:

I know, but I was wondering if anyone's actually used it. The sync apps for BB and Sony Xperia were less than pleasant to use on a Mac.

I would argue the Mac Windows Phone app is better than the Windows 8 Metro version.

Not saying much, but it's good. It integrates with iTunes and iPhoto and works just fine.

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HorseHeadBed
May 6, 2009

Drastic Actions posted:

I would argue the Mac Windows Phone app is better than the Windows 8 Metro version.

Not saying much, but it's good. It integrates with iTunes and iPhoto and works just fine.

Cool. Thanks! I just might have to buy that big yellow bastard.

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