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Since we were talking about the Pope a few pages back, I did have a question that I've been wondering for a while. I'm not a Catholic, so I don't know how the Church is supposed to be run, but are Catholics supposed to follow what the Pope commands? Or is the Pope just a figurehead type person who offers suggestions and guidelines but that no one actually needs to listen to?
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A Winner is Jew posted:Architecture / Mechanical / Electrical engineering in CA which means they pay a premium because of the cost of living here. Where the gently caress did I get the impression/idea that you were a lawyer? I could have sworn you said you had law experience.
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May 14, 2014 00:11
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BiggerBoat posted:Where the gently caress did I get the impression/idea that you were a lawyer? I could have sworn you said you had law experience. It is because his username contains the word jew isn't it?
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May 14, 2014 00:17
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Joementum posted:Rick Santorum comes oh so close to moderating his views and saying something generally agreeable: he'd prefer that the government provide free contraceptives rather than mandating private insurance cover their cost. EDIT: Holy poo poo I thought you were being mock-hyperbolic about the "bow to caesar" line  . I was about to say the first 90 seconds of that video featured what I can only call the most moderate santorum I've ever seen. And then the remainder of that video was a regression back to the mean for 'ol rick.
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May 14, 2014 00:19
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/\You stay the hell out of my head, ya hear?/\On Terra Firma posted:How does anyone have this train of thought: It's about as internally consistent as what someone else pointed out earlier; it would be morally OK to force poors to get sterilized or legally demand they use birth control so they stop having welfare children because that is the root cause of all our social ills, but if you try to institute a system of providing free birth control and education to use it so they have that small measure of control over their own life well then gently caress that's just socialism. These are two lines of conversation that I've heard many times from conservative people. I had never put them together in my head, but the instant someone here did it things crystalized for me. I don't see it as possible to compare and contrast those two talking points without coming away with the conclusion that it's about nothing other than loving the poor. bird food bathtub fucked around with this message at 00:23 on May 14, 2014 |
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May 14, 2014 00:20
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Mr Interweb posted:Since we were talking about the Pope a few pages back, I did have a question that I've been wondering for a while. I'm not a Catholic, so I don't know how the Church is supposed to be run, but are Catholics supposed to follow what the Pope commands? Or is the Pope just a figurehead type person who offers suggestions and guidelines but that no one actually needs to listen to? The pope is basically just like any other bishop (in that a priest in a position of authority) except in a few circumstances. So he's the leader of the Church so that bestows certain prominence in setting tone but it isnt like God speaks literally through him.
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May 14, 2014 00:21
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SumYungGui posted:/\You stay the hell out of my head, ya hear?/\ Or that, you know, different people have different positions.
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May 14, 2014 00:24
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zoux posted:Lindsay Graham got officially censured by Charleston County Republican party. The charge: being a secret liberal commie fake phony RINO piece of poo poo!!!! Huh. Conservative thinking types turning on
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May 14, 2014 00:24
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Mr Interweb posted:Since we were talking about the Pope a few pages back, I did have a question that I've been wondering for a while. I'm not a Catholic, so I don't know how the Church is supposed to be run, but are Catholics supposed to follow what the Pope commands? Or is the Pope just a figurehead type person who offers suggestions and guidelines but that no one actually needs to listen to? On the topic of the Catholic Church, this is an interesting article.
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May 14, 2014 00:26
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MickeyFinn posted:It is because his username contains the word jew isn't it? Hahaha. You dick. No, I honestly seemed to remember him mentioning it but your post was funny. I also always think his avatar is Al Pacino (although I'm pretty sure it's not). None of this is here nor there really but I'm not even sure what this thread is even about anymore so what the gently caress. 
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May 14, 2014 00:31
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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:Or that, you know, different people have different positions. No, Santorum acknowledged the GOP is the party of stupid people, and like a good stupid person, Santorum suggests socialism. He will never win, ever.
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May 14, 2014 00:40
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A Winner is Jew posted:This is the exact loving reason I'm a socialist. Not everyone can be a doctor, lawyer, or engineer (and for that last one I've been cleaning up their messes for the last 15 years, they aren't smart at all) and it's loving idiotic to think that anyone can make it with enough hard work. I can vouch for this anecdotally. I'm an engineer and I work with dozens of other engineers. In my little slice of engineer-dom, our jobs are largely to sit down in a comfortable air-conditioned space, stare at glowing rectangles all day long, and impress the non-engineers we "work" with ocassionally with our mastery of tech sounding word salad. As a group, we are generally unintelligent, lazy, entitled, and have massive delusions of self-importantance. Most of them believe they work hard, and have no concept of real work. And nearly all of them, even the ones that don't believe that the job they do is difficult, tend to believe that they've earned their inflated paychecks legitimately and that poor people should just be willing to roll up their sleeves and endure the "ordeal" of engineering school (sitting your fat rear end in a chair in an air-conditioned room to read books and play math and science puzzle games for four years. I seriously don't get how so many engineers  about how tough engineering school is).
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May 14, 2014 00:42
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BiggerBoat posted:Hahaha. You dick. No, I honestly seemed to remember him mentioning it but your post was funny. I also always think his avatar is Al Pacino (although I'm pretty sure it's not). None of this is here nor there really but I'm not even sure what this thread is even about anymore so what the gently caress. His avatar is from the movie 'The Hebrew Hammer,' I believe.
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May 14, 2014 00:54
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BiggerBoat posted:Hahaha. You dick. No, I honestly seemed to remember him mentioning it but your post was funny. I also always think his avatar is Al Pacino (although I'm pretty sure it's not). None of this is here nor there really but I'm not even sure what this thread is even about anymore so what the gently caress. I'm neither a lawyer... or a jew*. My father-in-law is both however. *This is questionable since my grandmother was adopted (possibly illegally) from a poor family in New York and she was really good with money. Magres posted:His avatar is from the movie 'The Hebrew Hammer,' I believe. Also this.
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May 14, 2014 00:56
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Also the name is similar enough to WhiskeyJuvenile, who, iirc, is a lawyer
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May 14, 2014 01:09
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Justus posted:I seriously don't get how so many engineers Because for the vast majority of them it's likely the upper limit of their ability.
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May 14, 2014 01:10
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Well, engineering schools usually have an extraordinary drop rate so clearly it's not easy. Possibly the hardest undergrad, but grad and prof schools?
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May 14, 2014 01:17
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Mr Interweb posted:Since we were talking about the Pope a few pages back, I did have a question that I've been wondering for a while. I'm not a Catholic, so I don't know how the Church is supposed to be run, but are Catholics supposed to follow what the Pope commands? Or is the Pope just a figurehead type person who offers suggestions and guidelines but that no one actually needs to listen to? The Pope is like very akin to the POTUS. A figurehead who everyone thinks has all the power, but actually has almost none. They have to go through all the fanfare and formalities while sometimes making a public statement. Nobody listens to the pope except for the people of the Vatican city, whom he is leader of. As an aside, this is the best summation of what the catholic church is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VABSoHYQr6k
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May 14, 2014 01:18
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Justus posted:I can vouch for this anecdotally. I'm an engineer and I work with dozens of other engineers. In my little slice of engineer-dom, our jobs are largely to sit down in a comfortable air-conditioned space, stare at glowing rectangles all day long, and impress the non-engineers we "work" with ocassionally with our mastery of tech sounding word salad. As a group, we are generally unintelligent, lazy, entitled, and have massive delusions of self-importantance. Most of them believe they work hard, and have no concept of real work. And nearly all of them, even the ones that don't believe that the job they do is difficult, tend to believe that they've earned their inflated paychecks legitimately and that poor people should just be willing to roll up their sleeves and endure the "ordeal" of engineering school (sitting your fat rear end in a chair in an air-conditioned room to read books and play math and science puzzle games for four years. I seriously don't get how so many engineers I wonder why (civil, aeronautical, etc) engineers don't consider the looming mortality of their field more often. They've always been the lawyers between the laws of nature and the litigants of design. The problem is that actual law is highly analog while poo poo like physics can and will eventually be computerized to such a degree that many engineering fields will just be rendered obsolete by increasingly capable CAD suites and environmental modeling.
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May 14, 2014 01:26
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hobbesmaster posted:Well, engineering schools usually have an extraordinary drop rate so clearly it's not easy. Possibly the hardest undergrad, but grad and prof schools? Anecdotal, but as someone who was friends with several engineering majors/attempted majors, it seemed like the rigorous math requirements are an insurmountable barrier for some. Especially the higher calculus courses. As someone that's been bad at math since long division, I can admire anyone that makes it over those hurdles. That said, most of them had very little worthwhile knowledge of subjects outside of their area of expertise.
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May 14, 2014 01:28
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FAUXTON posted:I wonder why (civil, aeronautical, etc) engineers don't consider the looming mortality of their field more often. They've always been the lawyers between the laws of nature and the litigants of design. The problem is that actual law is highly analog while poo poo like physics can and will eventually be computerized to such a degree that many engineering fields will just be rendered obsolete by increasingly capable CAD suites and environmental modeling. But in the meantime there's the chance for boatloads of cash designing those programs!
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May 14, 2014 01:35
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/\ You'd be surprised how many scientists have a decent grasp on programming. And down falls Idaho's marriage ban. You'd think Butch Otter's state wouldn't have such a ban to begin with.
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May 14, 2014 01:35
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Zeno-25 posted:Anecdotal, but as someone who was friends with several engineering majors/attempted majors, it seemed like the rigorous math requirements are an insurmountable barrier for some. Especially the higher calculus courses. As someone that's been bad at math since long division, I can admire anyone that makes it over those hurdles. Also anecdotal, but I feel like the way math is taught in America renders the whole learning process into a 'sink or swim' situation. If you can do the coursework without too much aid from the teacher you're fine, cause the teacher sure as gently caress is not going to stop and help out anyone struggling. Once you've shown that you cannot keep pace you end up getting pushed back into the 'remedial' maths (which, ironically at my high school, was a consumer math class that taught you how to do your taxes and open a bank account and whatnot) and are forever doomed to just never understand math unless you go through the motions on your own.
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May 14, 2014 01:39
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FAUXTON posted:/\ You'd be surprised how many scientists have a decent grasp on programming. I learned something new and absolutely hilarious today. Thank you.
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May 14, 2014 01:41
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nutranurse posted:Also anecdotal, but I feel like the way math is taught in America renders the whole learning process into a 'sink or swim' situation. If you can do the coursework without too much aid from the teacher you're fine, cause the teacher sure as gently caress is not going to stop and help out anyone struggling. Once you've shown that you cannot keep pace you end up getting pushed back into the 'remedial' maths (which, ironically at my high school, was a consumer math class that taught you how to do your taxes and open a bank account and whatnot) and are forever doomed to just never understand math unless you go through the motions on your own.
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May 14, 2014 01:43
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FAUXTON posted:/\ You'd be surprised how many scientists have a decent grasp on programming. I can attest to the fact that very few people in biomedical sciences know a loving thing about programming or even the internet for some of the older folks. When I made a simple rear end CSS in dreamweaver for a project we were doing, the old guys regarded me as their computer whiz kid because I could use this simple rear end program to make a website. It was a big pain in my rear end when they asked me to do some actual programming for the site and I told them that they would need to probably hire an expert. More than one dipshit researcher gave me grief about how I misled them because I helped make the website. Leaving that bullshit and applying to med school was the best decision I ever made
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May 14, 2014 01:44
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GreyjoyBastard posted:But in the meantime there's the chance for boatloads of cash designing those programs! Which is why certain CAD programs have what seems to be weekly service packs (hi solidworks)
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May 14, 2014 01:46
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Nessus posted:This is not inaccurate, at least in the broad sweeps. I was in a math course in undergrad that was an honest loving mistake to take because there was almost literally no teaching - I suspect its purpose was to verify math learning from foreign countries. I did study several different and interesting new forms of pedagogy in math in graduate school, but I suspect they aren't likely to be implemented any time soon. This reminds me of when I transferred school in the 5th grade they made me take an ESL course because my last name was Rodriguez. It was really depressing to be in that class while most of my actual friends were taking the real English course with the awesome teacher that won tons of awards while I was stuck with a dipshit young woman who was only vaguely hiding her racism.
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May 14, 2014 01:47
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FAUXTON posted:/\ You'd be surprised how many scientists have a decent grasp on programming. Fewer engineers than you'd think, though.
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May 14, 2014 01:49
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Fewer engineers than you'd think, though. Same with social skills.
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May 14, 2014 01:51
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FAUXTON posted:Same with social skills. No, no fewer than I'd think.
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May 14, 2014 01:52
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Stultus Maximus posted:No, no fewer than I'd think. If you count washouts as negative engineers it would be.
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May 14, 2014 01:54
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nutranurse posted:Also anecdotal, but I feel like the way math is taught in America renders the whole learning process into a 'sink or swim' situation. If you can do the coursework without too much aid from the teacher you're fine, cause the teacher sure as gently caress is not going to stop and help out anyone struggling. Once you've shown that you cannot keep pace you end up getting pushed back into the 'remedial' maths (which, ironically at my high school, was a consumer math class that taught you how to do your taxes and open a bank account and whatnot) and are forever doomed to just never understand math unless you go through the motions on your own. I was one of those kids who "just didn't get math," now I do Math stuff on Khan Academy and Udacity sometimes and I think it's the coolest and I understand it. The way we teach kids in this country is horrible but it's because of a lack of funding, too-large class sizes, and teachers not getting paid enough, and not "bad teachers" as right-wingers like to claim.
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May 14, 2014 01:55
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FAUXTON posted:I wonder why (civil, aeronautical, etc) engineers don't consider the looming mortality of their field more often. They've always been the lawyers between the laws of nature and the litigants of design. The problem is that actual law is highly analog while poo poo like physics can and will eventually be computerized to such a degree that many engineering fields will just be rendered obsolete by increasingly capable CAD suites and environmental modeling. Because designing these simulations is still really difficult unless you know what's going on. My future career (or at least a major chunk of it) is basically "take samples, see how many fall within spec limits, see how we can reduce variation, repeat" and unless you've had a few years worth of knowledge gained about statistical processes, even with a computer you're not going to be able to just process it and have the machine spit out what you need to change to make the item better. Zeno-25 posted:Anecdotal, but as someone who was friends with several engineering majors/attempted majors, it seemed like the rigorous math requirements are an insurmountable barrier for some. Especially the higher calculus courses. As someone that's been bad at math since long division, I can admire anyone that makes it over those hurdles. It's partially that, but in general (at least at my university) there's a sense that they want people to be "well rounded" engineers. Like for example, I'm not a mechanical engineer but I'm required to take essentially an entire semester worth of mechanical engineering classes; likewise a mechanical engineer is required to take classes on electrical engineering and computer science, even if they aren't going to work in those fields much or at all. It ties back to the general idea of a well rounded education versus specialization for your given field, but I think in this case being broad is harmful overall. Rexicon1 posted:I can attest to the fact that very few people in biomedical sciences know a loving thing about programming or even the internet for some of the older folks. When I made a simple rear end CSS in dreamweaver for a project we were doing, the old guys regarded me as their computer whiz kid because I could use this simple rear end program to make a website. It was a big pain in my rear end when they asked me to do some actual programming for the site and I told them that they would need to probably hire an expert. More than one dipshit researcher gave me grief about how I misled them because I helped make the website. Anecdotally I have some friends in the physics undergrad program and they highly stress programming, I suspect mostly because they run some simulations in those languages.
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May 14, 2014 01:56
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Dystram posted:I was one of those kids who "just didn't get math," now I do Math stuff on Khan Academy and Udacity sometimes and I think it's the coolest and I understand it. It's amazing, when you're not really good at math, how satisfying it can be to see a problem that needs algebra and puzzle out how to solve it.
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computer parts posted:Anecdotally I have some friends in the physics undergrad program and they highly stress programming, I suspect mostly because they run some simulations in those languages. Physics is why fortran will never die. Biomed is similar for python these days, although I maintain ruby will supplant it eventually. There's a lot more to a CS education than programming though.
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Dystram posted:I was one of those kids who "just didn't get math," now I do Math stuff on Khan Academy and Udacity sometimes and I think it's the coolest and I understand it. College level math classes in particular are often, in my experience, stupid as gently caress if you want to learn things like 'Calculus you will actually find useful in life.' If someone has a decent base of Trig and Algebra, I can teach them the basics of Calculus in about twenty minutes. Like all you really need, in my experience, is to understand what Derivatives and Integrals actually physically mean when applied to the real world, so you can figure out when they're applicable to something. From there, you just figure out a function to describe what you're looking at (which is where you need the Trig/Algebra) and then go throw it into Mathematica (or Wolfram Alpha if you don't have Mathematica available for free). I was a whiz kid at math my entire life (I skipped a year of math in high school and they had to build a new class for me and two other kids so we'd have something Math-y to do our senior year) until I hit college level math. I loving hated college math because at least 90% of it just, frankly, felt completely loving useless. It felt pedantic, esoteric, and overly academic and not at all geared to 'this is poo poo you will actually find useful in any kind of life situation.' There's such a thing as knowledge for the sake of knowledge, but I think it is incredibly stupid that STE[s]M[/m] majors (the M excluded for obvious reasons - if you're going into Mathematics you are someone who actually WANTS to learn Math for the sake of Math) can't take classes like 'Applied Calculus' and be done with it, instead of using Math classes as weedout classes so everyone is scared of them and hates them.
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May 14, 2014 02:03
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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:Or that, you know, different people have different positions. Yes, different positions on how to gently caress the poor.
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Justus posted:I can vouch for this anecdotally. I'm an engineer and I work with dozens of other engineers. In my little slice of engineer-dom, our jobs are largely to sit down in a comfortable air-conditioned space, stare at glowing rectangles all day long, and impress the non-engineers we "work" with ocassionally with our mastery of tech sounding word salad. As one of the non-engineers working with y'all all day I can assure you that you're fooling no one.
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FAUXTON posted:I wonder why (civil, aeronautical, etc) engineers don't consider the looming mortality of their field more often. They've always been the lawyers between the laws of nature and the litigants of design. The problem is that actual law is highly analog while poo poo like physics can and will eventually be computerized to such a degree that many engineering fields will just be rendered obsolete by increasingly capable CAD suites and environmental modeling. Civil (geotechnical in particular) relies a lot on people with a lot of design and construction experience making judgments about geology. I think it will be a long long time before anyone (engineers or owners) is willing to hand that work over to a computer. The common saying is that the design calculations and analysis are trivial and provided free of charge, our fees are entirely for deciding what inputs to use.
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