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quote:So Chris Hedges uploaded this video today about the left and the necessity and character of mass movements:
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May 15, 2014 18:06
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spite house posted:I managed to get my grubby paws on a first printing of Piketty's Capital. I've been trying to read the robot version of the fucker on my ereader since around Christmas, and am now severely bummed out that I own a paper copy and can't break the spine and scrawl in the margins and highlight the crap out of it and festoon it with Post-Its and whatnot because Belknap is a teeny imprint, that first print run was minuscule, and MY COPY MIGHT BE WORTH A LOT OF MONEY SOMEDAY. There's a thread about that book, here, in case anyone didn't know.
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May 15, 2014 18:07
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Joementum posted:Yeah, you're going to want to watch this three minute clip of the closing statements from the two also-ran candidates in the Idaho GOP Gubernatorial primary. The first from a biker who wants to be Governor so he can get some practice for his eventual winning Presidential campaign (God promised him this) and the other from a man who appears to be a 19th century gold prospector who is concerned because his Bible told him we're going to run out of iodine before the nuclear apocalypse.
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May 15, 2014 18:11
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Joementum posted:Yeah, you're going to want to watch this three minute clip of the closing statements from the two also-ran candidates in the Idaho GOP Gubernatorial primary. The first from a biker who wants to be Governor so he can get some practice for his eventual winning Presidential campaign (God promised him this) and the other from a man who appears to be a 19th century gold prospector who is concerned because his Bible told him we're going to run out of iodine before the nuclear apocalypse. You just don't see that many leather daddies running for public office.
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May 15, 2014 18:13
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Oracle posted:Everyone needs to watch this whole thing because Chris Hedges has no time for your wanking verbal circle jerks. God I love watching him shut down long-winded aging hippies with 'JUST ASK A QUESTION I GOT poo poo TO DO' when they start trying to pontificate and lecture and give 'background.' The man is spot-on about the left in general and the Green Party in particular. where is the video?
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May 15, 2014 18:28
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Miltank posted:where is the video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysf_5LzDZz0
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May 15, 2014 18:31
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Joementum posted:Yeah, you're going to want to watch this three minute clip of the closing statements from the two also-ran candidates in the Idaho GOP Gubernatorial primary. The first from a biker who wants to be Governor so he can get some practice for his eventual winning Presidential campaign (God promised him this) and the other from a man who appears to be a 19th century gold prospector who is concerned because his Bible told him we're going to run out of iodine before the nuclear apocalypse. The Biker guy is a soveriegn citizen. And the old guy is the anti-James Randi.
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May 15, 2014 18:37
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GENUINE CAT HERDER posted:I went to read whatever the retarded comments were and got this as an ad:
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May 15, 2014 19:06
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:I keep looking at this and all I can see are microwave popcorn bags. Well, this apocalypse is going to be a hell of a show.
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May 15, 2014 19:15
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Joementum posted:Yeah, you're going to want to watch this three minute clip of the closing statements from the two also-ran candidates in the Idaho GOP Gubernatorial primary. The first from a biker who wants to be Governor so he can get some practice for his eventual winning Presidential campaign (God promised him this) and the other from a man who appears to be a 19th century gold prospector who is concerned because his Bible told him we're going to run out of iodine before the nuclear apocalypse. For closing statements in gubernatorial debates, the one that still tops it for me is my own state's in 2010. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PDCoG8ieBE The whole debate was really painful to watch and moreso knowing we ended up voting her in after all that. There was an extra bit of drama back then in that during the debate she rationalizes the controversial SB 1070 "show us your papers" bill with "there have been beheadings by the illegals crossing the border". She gets challenged on that immediately by her biggest rival Terry Goddard (D) which she ducks with grade schooler acumen, and then right after the debate the press asked her to cite any instances of that and, well.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1xV7nTSqww Bhaal fucked around with this message at 19:21 on May 15, 2014 |
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May 15, 2014 19:15
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Berke Negri posted:It is rather odd to see leftists dismiss Piketty as just another neo-liberal as he's arguing that capitalism without intervention inevitably leads to oligarchic dystopia and wealth has such a deleterious effect on society we need something dramatic like an 80% global wealth (not just income) tax to prevent the looming Dickensian apocalypse. I guess there's no pleasing some people. As far as I can tell a lot of left criticism of Piketty comes from two things: 1) Liberal solutions...he identifies most of the problems Marx did with capitalism(points which every leftist economist and many liberal econonmist have been making for years) and then essentially prescribes politically unviable capitalist solutions that, like social democracies, postpone inevitable problems 2) His complete dismissal of Marx, using dated criticisms that would be contradicted if he had read Marx, which he admits he hasn't. Which he then follows by drawing conclusions very similar to Marx. Keeping in mind I'm not an expert on economics, Piketty, Marx, or whatever. This is just my lovely meta-analysis.
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May 15, 2014 19:24
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Fried Chicken posted:Catching up from pages back: There actually was a KrakenWiki way back in the day, but it was about as thin as you would expect a goon project to be. Some of the pages were loving hilarious, though. I can't remember the name of the site for the life of me, but I'd love to see if the Internet Archive scooped it up if anyone can recall. Basically paging ReindeerF and WhiskeyJuvenile.
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May 15, 2014 19:27
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Zeitgueist posted:As far as I can tell a lot of left criticism of Piketty comes from two things: I'm still working on the book but the worst criticism I've seen of Marx's own work was that he did not (and could not have) draw upon statistical data to support his observations, observations which Picketty explicitly agrees with and affirms.
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May 15, 2014 19:48
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I don't think statistical techniques were as sophisticaed then as they are now. But I also see Marx as a philosopher rather than a rigorous scientist, not unlike Freud.
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May 15, 2014 19:51
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Putin It In Mah rear end posted:I'm still working on the book but the worst criticism I've seen of Marx's own work was that he did not (and could not have) draw upon statistical data to support his observations, observations which Picketty explicitly agrees with and affirms.
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May 15, 2014 19:56
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Zeitgueist posted:As far as I can tell a lot of left criticism of Piketty comes from two things: If Marx's conclusions can penetrate the global consciousness under another name after the ceaseless slurring of Marx for the last 150 years I don't think it's a bad thing. For all we know Piketty is pretending to have not read Capital and tossing in token criticisms of Marx just so that he isn't tarred as a Marxist.
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May 15, 2014 19:58
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I'd be shocked if there was a Economics PhD in the world that hasn't read Capital.
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May 15, 2014 19:59
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There's the entire freshwater school of economics, pretty sure non of them have read a lick of Marx or Engels.
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May 15, 2014 20:04
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Jazerus posted:If Marx's conclusions can penetrate the global consciousness under another name after the ceaseless slurring of Marx for the last 150 years I don't think it's a bad thing. For all we know Piketty is pretending to have not read Capital and tossing in token criticisms of Marx just so that he isn't tarred as a Marxist. It's entirely possible, even probable, that he's intentionally distancing himself in order to be taken seriously by the people who kneejerk poo poo on socialism. It remains to be seen if that's enough of a distance to move the Overton Window or even slightly effect policy, or if this book will just be people who already knew this stuff talking to themselves. zoux posted:I'd be shocked if there was a Economics PhD in the world that hasn't read Capital. Prepare to be shocked, as friends in the field say it's surprisingly prevalent. Of course that's second-hand.
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May 15, 2014 20:11
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Zeitgueist posted:It's entirely possible, even probable, that he's intentionally distancing himself in order to be taken seriously by the people who kneejerk poo poo on socialism. It remains to be seen if that's enough of a distance to move the Overton Window or even slightly effect policy, or if this book will just be people who already knew this stuff talking to themselves. You'd think that would be required reading for some intro level econ history course.
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May 15, 2014 20:14
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zoux posted:You'd think that would be required reading for some intro level econ history course. We don't want our budding economists to read anything that might make them think to challenge the status quo; we only want economists who will justify decisions made by our owners.
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May 15, 2014 20:25
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zoux posted:I'd be shocked if there was a Economics PhD in the world that hasn't read Capital. I'm guessing not reading Marx is a requirement for the Koch-approved economics programs that have been springing up.
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May 15, 2014 20:32
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Dystram posted:We don't want our budding economists to read anything that might make them think to challenge the status quo; we only want economists who will justify decisions made by our owners. See: the oft-disproven Austrian School of Economics
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May 15, 2014 20:32
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Moving from the PYF Idiots in Social Media thread.AATREK CURES KIDS posted:Getting rid of the multiplication table is a horrible mistake. Canada's provinces, except Québec, stopped making students memorize the multiplication table a few years ago. Math scores have fallen dramatically in English Canada and remained steady in Québec. It's a perfect natural experiment that demonstrates one of the key "innovations" of Common Core is terrible. For what it's worth, I agree with this. There are definite problems in Common Core, the removal of multiplication tables is one of them. At the same time there are a lot of good steps taken as well. That's the lovely part: sometimes good ideas have bad implementations, sometimes the bad ideas get latched on to. What sucks even more is when it gets made into a partisan issue, and suddenly anyone who goes "Hey Common Core has some problems" gets spun into "TEACHER SAYS COMMON CORE IS A HEAPING PILE OF poo poo"
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May 15, 2014 20:32
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I don't like multiplication tables anyway. It teaches simple math in such a weird way, kids end up just memorizing them like it's a pattern and not understand the concept of multiplication (which leads to problems with division, and one that I always find funny, tipping) The amount of people I socialize with that cannot leave a 25% tip without having to use their phone for it is startling. tbp fucked around with this message at 21:11 on May 15, 2014 |
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May 15, 2014 20:38
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zoux posted:You'd think that would be required reading for some intro level econ history course. I am posting from an economics class, and the prof just said that the only economic policy practiced by governments in the 1920s was Adam Smith's classical economics. The prof is Russian.
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May 15, 2014 20:40
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Yeah, so many people get to the end of high school having decided they hate math. Stop teaching rote memorization, if you don't understand WHY it works how it does, you can't use it to learn the next step.
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May 15, 2014 20:42
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tbp posted:I don't like multiplication tables anyway. It teaches simple math in such a weird way, kids end up just memorizing them like it's a pattern and not understand the concept of multiplication (which leads to problems with division, and one that I always find funny, tipping) Isn't one of the goals of Common Core math to help kids think more in terms of how to write good code? I can see how removing what is basically a look-up table is a good idea.
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May 15, 2014 20:42
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McDowell posted:Isn't one of the goals of Common Core math to help kids think more in terms of how to write good code? Honestly, I have to admit that I haven't looked into it much. All I've seen related to the standard is some goofy facebook video where the guy shows "tricks" to doing subtraction or something. I'll admit to doing arithmetic in my head in my own way but I think that's because I received a solid foundation of learning (once I moved from a poor school, though). The memorization method never really imparts that, and leaves so many kids/young college students thinking they're "bad" at math when it is a skill just like any other, just one they have little practice in.
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May 15, 2014 20:45
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Ditocoaf posted:Yeah, so many people get to the end of high school having decided they hate math. Stop teaching rote memorization, if you don't understand WHY it works how it does, you can't use it to learn the next step. The problem is that Common Core ends memorization far too early - kids aren't taught to memorize 7 times 9, so they don't have the tools to do basic math with paper and pencil. Canada implemented the Common Curriculum in every province except Québec, and math skills plummeted in every province except Québec. It's a perfect natural experiment that shows the Common Curriculum isn't good for teaching young students math, and it's an outrage that politicians aren't paying attention. Parts of Common Core are fatally flawed, but as Doomsayer said, the partisan division in the US makes it so that you have to be completely for it or completely against it.
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May 15, 2014 20:52
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On the one hand, knowing your times tables is super fast and convenient but on the other hand everyone is carrying around supercomputers in their pockets.
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May 15, 2014 20:54
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fade5 posted:
In this case this is more feature than bug. I have been babying this project and forcing myself to take it as slowly as I can in the hopes that I can avoid going manic or just getting overwhelmed and shutting down. The accomplishment was actually getting myself to put it out there, and frankly waiting a week or so before it starts to generate real feedback is probably the best thing at this point, so I'm going to avoid advertising it too much for now. For content I'll try and throw up a thread about hell school sometime later today.
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May 15, 2014 20:56
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zoux posted:On the one hand, knowing your times tables is super fast and convenient but on the other hand everyone is carrying around supercomputers in their pockets. Better not learn any math ever, then. This isn't about calculus or algebra, you are arguing that no one needs to know how to multiply single-digit numbers.
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May 15, 2014 20:57
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zoux posted:On the one hand, knowing your times tables is super fast and convenient but on the other hand everyone is carrying around supercomputers in their pockets. Good luck doing any algebra while struggling over multiplying single digit numbers.
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May 15, 2014 20:59
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zoux posted:On the one hand, knowing your times tables is super fast and convenient but on the other hand everyone is carrying around supercomputers in their pockets. You want to race through the times table with randomized flash cards? I'll use my head, you use your calculator, first to do 30 wins.
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May 15, 2014 21:00
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There must be some kind of privilege blindness that makes someone think it's acceptable to "give students the tools" to learn instead of simply teaching them. Sure, I had a stay-at-home parent who taught me multiplication independently, but how many children of working-class parents don't have that?
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May 15, 2014 21:00
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McDowell posted:Isn't one of the goals of Common Core math to help kids think more in terms of how to write good code? Ditocoaf posted:Yeah, so many people get to the end of high school having decided they hate math. Stop teaching rote memorization, if you don't understand WHY it works how it does, you can't use it to learn the next step. While were at it why expect students to grow their vocabulary. Any words they don't know they can easily look up in their smart phone's dictionary anyway. Maybe just maybe there's a benefit to not needing to count on your fingers every time a basic arithmetic problem arises. Maybe if students were taught to understand the concept of multiplication and then would have tables for small numbers memorized the concept of percentages wouldn't terrify most Americans.
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May 15, 2014 21:01
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I don't think the argument should be on the basis of which is better though. The speed of it all doesn't matter much, I think, if the person understands the concept behind it. I don't think we emphasize conceptualization very well.
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May 15, 2014 21:02
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Common core is a heap of stinking festering horse poo poo. I am a teacher. gently caress common core. There seems to be a lack of recognition among advocates of standardized tests and curriculum of the fact that different people can and will learn entirely different sets of information and skills while still being functional, successful individuals, and that's ok. No, we have to shove everyone into the same mediocre mold and force teachers to teach poo poo they don't give half a gently caress about to kids who give precisely zero fucks about it. If a teacher is specialized then they should teach their specialization, but no, instead teach this curriculum that some rear end in a top hat in a statehouse decided on to please a textbook manufacturer or to use as a wedge issue in an election. I don't know one teacher who supports common core or any standardized education because no matter how hard we try or how much some idiot who isn't a teacher thinks it should be, education can't be standardized. More than that, it makes no loving sense to standardize it. As a music teacher I run into it less than others and it still drives me nuts. Oh, my students can't blast off their scales and modes and chords at quarter note = 160 yet, so they're failures? No, you don't want to hear how well they can play Brahms or Bach? Well gently caress me then I guess, thanks for your input, people who don't even play an instrument. empty whippet box fucked around with this message at 21:09 on May 15, 2014 |
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May 15, 2014 21:02
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tbp posted:I don't think the argument should be on the basis of which is better though. The speed of it all doesn't matter much, I think, if the person understands the concept behind it. I don't think we emphasize conceptualization very well. Didn't you just make fun of people who have to stop and think when calculating a percent based tip? Like literally two posts ago.
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May 15, 2014 21:03
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