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Hedge Funds are lobbying to still billions of taxpayer money through Fannie & Freddy http://www.vox.com/2014/5/17/5724092/the-plot-to-use-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac-to-steal-billions-from-the
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Jeedy Jay posted:"False flag!" And of course on some topics (guns, the UN one-world antichrist agenda) there isn't even the "OK, you've established the most complex conspiracy, not just in human history, but to the point of encompassing the majority of the nation's population" Occam's razor limitations. Of COURSE they'd stop at nothing to take your guns/Bibles/etc.
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May 18, 2014 17:20
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http://theweek.com/article/index/261426/irsquom-not-a-democrat-irsquom-an-anti-republican Decent little editorial I think most posters here would agree with
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May 18, 2014 17:41
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Miltank posted:John McCain was refused life saving medical care until it was known that he was the son of an admiral. He was given the option to be released early due to his family connections and refused to leave sooner than any man captured before him. It's perfectly find to say that John McCain is a horrible two faced piece of poo poo that has repeatedly sold his soul for political and financial gain, and that John McCain while a lovely pilot that was only still flying because of his family connections was not a horrible two faced piece of poo poo when he was a POW in Vietnam. Also, that picture makes him look like Frankenstein's monster more than anything else.
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May 18, 2014 17:54
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He still looks less ridiculous than Hillary's hand-wringing twirl response to the thrown shoe.
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Fried Chicken posted:http://theweek.com/article/index/261426/irsquom-not-a-democrat-irsquom-an-anti-republican Yeah, it was posted here earlier this week, but I've been using that term in person for a while now. NC has open primaries, so I've never changed from independent registration. And while I've done footwork on behalf of individual Democratic candidates, I've never bothered with generic party functions aside from yearly precinct mixers to see who's new. I don't know how much the actual partisans grasp the prevalence of this attitude. Guys at the top must know. My local captains were always like "but you miss out on some democratic party meta-votes" and didn't quite get that I'd leave them in a heartbeat if there were any leftist candidates in the race. "I'm more of an anti-Republican" is more diplomatic than "you guys really aren't that much better about grinding the working class into dust both here and abroad, and the handful of progressive positions you take are poll-tested to hell and back before you bother advocating, thanks for not deliberately trying to destroy the world I guess"
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Evil Fluffy posted:
To be fair I don't think there's been a D&D gun thread that hasn't had a discussion in it somewhere about how incremental increases in restrictions on firearms could be used to eventually arrive at de facto bans (as in people discussing it as a good strategy not fear-mongering about it). I feel like there could be some decent movement on reasonable gun control measures if it wasn't for the massive level of distrust about the issue, a distrust that is not without merit. That's not to say "they're coming for your guns" isn't way, way, way overplayed, but rather just because the boy keeps crying wolf doesn't invalidate that there actually is a wolf out there somewhere. Just like how the "liberals hate the troops" thing is an overplayed smear, but we still have people in this thread who think its okay to laugh at a guy for being crippled from the torture he endured serving his country just because they disagree with his politics.
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May 18, 2014 18:09
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Every country people normally talk of as "banning guns" actually just has licensing systems in place, and the gun ownership rates are usually not far behind many states in the US. And their policies can generally be considered the maximum possible gun control in a non totalitarian state. There is no wolf.
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May 18, 2014 18:11
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Install Windows posted:Every country people normally talk of as "banning guns" actually just has licensing systems in place, and the gun ownership rates are usually not far behind many states in the US. And their policies can generally be considered the maximum possible gun control in a non totalitarian state. This is just a flat lie
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May 18, 2014 18:20
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Evil Fluffy posted:It's believed that when they found out McCain's family connection, and thus value, they took extra care with him because regardless of what info he did or did not have he was going to be rather valuable alive. In 2008 when people thought it'd be McCain vs Hilary there was a lot of huffing(of glue) on the right and Talk Radio about how Clinton had dug up dirt on him to paint him as selling out the country as a POW or whatever. You know, something that certainly would not have a chance at backfiring horribly because holy poo poo are you seriously attacking a political opponent for being tortured by the Viet Cong? Well yeah the official leftist position as of 1970 was all Vietnam troops are scum plus he is also a Republican.
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May 18, 2014 18:20
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Jarmak posted:This is just a flat lie So what countries do you think have full gun bans and wouldn't be characterized as also being dictatorships. Keep in mind that a few US states have gun ownership rates under 15% or even under 10% when considering what I said before!
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May 18, 2014 18:24
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The nicest thing I heard about gun ownership in Scandinavia is that you have to say what you want the gun for and then join a gun club for that purpose, so they know you're not just a lone nutcase.
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May 18, 2014 18:25
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Samurai Sanders posted:The nicest thing I heard about gun ownership in Scandinavia is that you have to say what you want the gun for and then join a gun club for that purpose, so they know you're not just a lone nutcase. That worked in 2011.
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May 18, 2014 18:29
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Just some examples on gun ownership rates: Rhode Island - 12.8% Massachusetts - 12.6% New Jersey - 12.3% Hawaii - 6.7% Northern Ireland - 20% New Zealand - 19% Australia - 13% Great Britain - 5%
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May 18, 2014 18:29
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So what would a Strategic Gun look like?
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Torpor posted:So what would a Strategic Gun look like? Penguin's umbrella?
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May 18, 2014 18:49
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Torpor posted:So what would a Strategic Gun look like? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M65_Atomic_Cannon
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Install Windows posted:So what countries do you think have full gun bans and wouldn't be characterized as also being dictatorships. Keep in mind that a few US states have gun ownership rates under 15% or even under 10% when considering what I said before! You've got this dumb idea that "if you can have a break-action shotgun there is no gun ban." Which makes discussion with you pointless, as difficult as that is to believe.
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Torpor posted:So what would a Strategic Gun look like? 
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SedanChair posted:You've got this dumb idea that "if you can have a break-action shotgun there is no gun ban." Which makes discussion with you pointless, as difficult as that is to believe. Nice troll but it fails.
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computer parts posted:That worked in 2011. I need this to defend myself from muggers. I can't wait until someone jumps out from an alley and I pull THAT out of my holster. edit: my strategic holster Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 19:22 on May 18, 2014 |
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May 18, 2014 18:53
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Install Windows posted:Nice troll but it fails. Am I misrepresenting you?
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May 18, 2014 18:54
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SedanChair posted:Am I misrepresenting you? You're claiming that the only guns allowed in those four countries is shotguns, which is laughably obvious as false to everyone here. 
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May 18, 2014 18:55
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I remember that part in FFVII.
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Like maybe I'm going completely out on a limb here, but if parts of one country where everyone agrees there is no gun ban has fewer legal gun owners than countries considered to have massive gun restrictions, wouldn't a sane person regard the latter countries as not having gun bans?
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May 18, 2014 19:01
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In Canada, you can't buy a gun if you say you intend to use it for home defense. Some people keep their "target practice" weapon loaded and under the pillow just in case, but we have a ban on explicitly fantasizing about shooting some burglar.
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May 18, 2014 19:20
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Fried Chicken posted:Hedge Funds are lobbying to still billions of taxpayer money through Fannie & Freddy The good news is despite nothing being done to fix most of the things that caused the housing bubble Boomers are too strained financially and Millennial's are too broke and/or debt ridden to afford houses.....unless Gen Xers suddenly start going on a house buying spree.
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May 18, 2014 19:26
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Install Windows posted:Just some examples on gun ownership rates: Northern Ireland is excluded from the UK gun ban and has more permissive gun laws then Massachusetts, every other country on that list specifically bans carrying firearms or owning firearms for the purposes of personal protection. That is a gun ban regardless of how many hunters out there with break barrel shotguns are driving up the gun ownership stat. Also Great Britain is the only country with a similar population density to the states you're comparing them against.
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Jarmak posted:Northern Ireland is excluded from the UK gun ban and has more permissive gun laws then Massachusetts, every other country on that list specifically bans carrying firearms or owning firearms for the purposes of personal protection. That is a gun ban regardless of how many hunters out there with break barrel shotguns are driving up the gun ownership stat. So why is it so important for you to shout "I'M EXPLICITLY BUYING THIS FOR PERSONAL PROTECTION" when buying a gun? Also why are you repeating the "omg you can only have shotguns" canard?
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Install Windows posted:So why is it so important for you to shout "I'M EXPLICITLY BUYING THIS FOR PERSONAL PROTECTION" when buying a gun? It's because with the exception of RI there are serious obstacles to obtaining anything other than a shotgun or a hunting rifle in every one of the states or countries you listed, ranging from onerous storage and licensing requirements to "you must be rich and connected".
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semper wifi posted:It's because with the exception of RI there are serious obstacles to obtaining anything other than a shotgun or a hunting rifle in every one of the states or countries you listed, ranging from onerous storage and licensing requirements to "you must be rich and connected". That's as it should be. You know, it's also rather complicated to buy a house, or get an apartment. This doesn't make it into a ban though, and the costs are usually much less than the cost of said fancy gun you seem to be humpin' for.
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See, you've just provided the thread with a perfect demonstration of why "gubmint takin my guns" is still a thing. The restrictions you want make owning most guns impossible or at least extremely difficult for anyone who isn't at least upper middle class but you'll still push them as Reasonable Common Sense Gun Laws till you're blue in the face.
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Install Windows posted:That's as it should be. You know, it's also rather complicated to buy a house, or get an apartment. The government should make sure every citizen has access to suitable (housing/firearms), and provide (housing/firearms) at a basic level to those unable to otherwise afford it.
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semper wifi posted:See, you've just provided the thread with a perfect demonstration of why "gubmint takin my guns" is still a thing. The restrictions you want make owning most guns impossible or at least extremely difficult for anyone who isn't at least upper middle class but you'll still push them as Reasonable Common Sense Gun Laws till you're blue in the face. But people still manage to own guns with these "impossible restrictions" do our car restrictions make it impossible to own a car? Which restrictions are only doable by the upper middle class, background checks, safety classes?
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comes along bort posted:WHY YOU WANT RAIL FOR KALASHNIKOV? IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH AS PROCURED FROM IZHEVSK MECHANICAL WORKS? YOU THINK NEEDS IMPROVEMENT? THEN MAYBE YOU FIND JOB WITH ARMY OF RUSSIA! YOU HAVE DRINKS WITH MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOV, TRADE STORY OF MANY WEAPONS DESIGNED AND DETAILS OF SCHOOL FOR ENGINEERING! This is a thing of beauty. (American gun culture is retarded, btw).
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semper wifi posted:See, you've just provided the thread with a perfect demonstration of why "gubmint takin my guns" is still a thing. Well yeah, I got you gun obsessed people to show you're hyperbolic children who regard 1/8 of the population owning guns as guns being banned. PS only middle class people are obsessing over having 10 tacticlol guns and 50,000 rounds of ammo in the first place.
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semper wifi posted:See, you've just provided the thread with a perfect demonstration of why "gubmint takin my guns" is still a thing. The restrictions you want make owning most guns impossible or at least extremely difficult for anyone who isn't at least upper middle class but you'll still push them as Reasonable Common Sense Gun Laws till you're blue in the face. Uh voting is a fundamental human right and There is absolutely nothing wrong with having a few safeties in place so people that buy guns fully understand and respect the fact that they own a tool designed to kill. edit: WC strikes again. Either way, gently caress it. Islam is the Lite Rock FM fucked around with this message at 19:58 on May 18, 2014 |
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Install Windows posted:So why is it so important for you to shout "I'M EXPLICITLY BUYING THIS FOR PERSONAL PROTECTION" when buying a gun? What you're saying is its not an ban because its impossible to keep people from buying a gun illegally by lying on their permit application? Also how is the shotgun thing isn't a canard just because you label it such.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Uh voting is a fundamental human right and owning a firearm isn't. That where you were going with this? Might want to check the constitution there champ
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