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Jun 9, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
An unseasonably cold winter went on wheel of fortune and bankrupted them.

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JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver
A later tweet implies he was trolling, which is context enough for me.

Amergin
Jan 29, 2013

THE SOUND A WET FART MAKES

Zwabu posted:

Your "understanding" IS wrong, and, I suspect, not entirely honest either.

American society basically defines and identifies people of mixed ancestry but who visibly have some African ancestry as "black".

When have you, outside of debates like this, ever identified anyone as "half white" to anyone else? Have you EVER done so? If so, did you ever do so before the election of this particular president?

Do a thought experiment. If you saw someone who looks exactly like the current president of the U.S. commit a crime, or get injured in an accident, and called 911, how would you describe that person to the 911 dispatcher for the purpose of identifying them? Would you describe them as "half white"? "Half black?"

She could have said he was a "Hispanic male who shot a young black man" is all I'm saying. But she didn't. Because he skipped the tanning salon that day.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

Amergin posted:

She could have said he was a "Hispanic male who shot a young black man" is all I'm saying. But she didn't. Because he skipped the tanning salon that day.

You didn't answer my question about how you would identify someone who looked just like Barack Obama to a police or emergency services dispatcher.

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

Amergin posted:

She could have said he was a "Hispanic male who shot a young black man" is all I'm saying. But she didn't. Because he skipped the tanning salon that day.

Hispanic men CAN BE AND ARE WHITE :psyduck:

Amergin
Jan 29, 2013

THE SOUND A WET FART MAKES

Zwabu posted:

You didn't answer my question about how you would identify someone who looked just like Barack Obama to a police or emergency services dispatcher.

As black.

And I would identify George Zimmerman as a "hispanic male with a voracious appetite."

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Oh great Rand Paul is going to filibuster a Court of Appeals nominee in order to give a big ole anti-drone speech.

quote:

This time, however, Paul's lengthy speech will almost assuredly just be for show. The Senate changed its rules on filibusters last year and nominees can now advance with a simple majority vote instead of crossing the previous 60-vote threshold. This means Democrats can move along Barron's nomination by themselves.

"Sen. Paul isn’t relevant here," a Senate Democratic leadership aide told Business Insider Friday. "Barron’s nomination will survive or fall based on whether the Senate Democrats support him or not."


Every day the bucket go a well, one day the bottom of it drop out.

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Amergin posted:

As black.

And I would identify George Zimmerman as a "hispanic male with a voracious appetite."

OK, tell me something. Knowing nothing other than the physical description of George Zimmerman, how would you have described him to police?

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Amergin posted:

She could have said he was a "Hispanic male who shot a young black man" is all I'm saying. But she didn't. Because he skipped the tanning salon that day.

She also didn't say "George Zimmermann murdered Taryvon Martin" which would have been even more accurate. So what's your point?

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Oh and here is the Pentagon's actually developed zombie contingency plan.

quote:

“This plan was not actually designed as a joke. During the summers of 2009 and 2010, while training augmentees from a local training squadron about the [joint operation planning process], members of a [U.S. Strategic Command] component found out (by accident) that the hyperbole involved in writing a ‘zombie survival plan’ actually provided a very useful and effective training tool.
“Planners who attended JPME II at the Joint Combined Warfighting School also realized that training examples for plans must accommodate the political fallout that occurs if the general public mistakenly believes that a fictional training scenario is actually a real plan. Rather than risk such an outcome by teaching our augmentees using the fictional ‘Tunisia’ or ‘Nigeria’ scenarios used at [Joint and Combined Warfighting School], we elected to use a completely impossible scenario that could never be mistaken as a real plan.”

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry

zoux posted:

Oh great Rand Paul is going to filibuster a Court of Appeals nominee in order to give a big ole anti-drone speech.


Every day the bucket go a well, one day the bottom of it drop out.
Are they actually pushing enough nominees through that the whole nuclear option drama will wind up being worth it? A few months ago it didn't sound like they were actually able to get them through that easily still, and the clock is running out before the midterms.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

zoux posted:

Oh great Rand Paul is going to filibuster a Court of Appeals nominee in order to give a big ole anti-drone speech.


Every day the bucket go a well, one day the bottom of it drop out.

Well since the first one put Rand on the map of 2016 contenders, a second go at it sure will advance his fortunes just as much.

Aren't there procedural rules governing someone grabbing a huge block of floor time for a speech if a vote isn't at stake? With Rand's first go at this didn't he have approval from Harry Reid to do it? I would imagine there would be some kind of limits to this.

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.
Federal judges love trolling Scalia.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/judge-cites-scalia-pennsylvania-gay-marriage

quote:

Upon striking down Pennsylvania's gay marriage ban Tuesday, a federal judge cited Justice Antonin Scalia's "cogen[t]" argument that the Supreme Court had essentially paved the way for nationwide marriage equality last year.

Here's the relevant passage from George W. Bush-appointed Judge John E. Jones III in his 39-page opinion:

As Justice Scalia cogently remarked in his dissent, “if [Windsor] is meant to be an equal-protection opinion, it is a confusing one.” Windsor, 133 S. Ct. at 2706 (Scalia, J., dissenting). Although Windsor did not identify the appropriate level of scrutiny, its discussion is manifestly not representative of deferential review. See id. (Scalia, J., dissenting) (observing that “the Court certainly does not apply anything that resembles [the rational-basis] framework” (emphasis omitted)). The Court did not evaluate hypothetical justifications for the law but rather focused on the harm resulting from DOMA, which is inharmonious with deferential review.
It was a reference to Scalia's scathing dissent against the Court's 5-4 opinion that struck down a portion of the Defense of Marriage Act which prohibited federal recognition of same-sex marriages. The Reagan-appointed justice warned that the majority decision -- despite officially staying neutral on whether gay marriage was a Constitutional right -- relied upon reasoning that would lead to that conclusion.

"As I have said, the real rationale of today’s opinion ... is that DOMA is motivated by 'bare ... desire' to harm couples in same-sex marriages," Scalia wrote in the 2013 dissent. "How easy it is, indeed how inevitable, to reach the same conclusion with regard to state laws denying same-sex couples marital status."

Jones is one of several district court judges in numerous states to cite Scalia's prescient warning about the broader legal consequences of the DOMA reasoning. Same-sex marriage has enjoyed a remarkable winning streak since the ruling.

Amergin
Jan 29, 2013

THE SOUND A WET FART MAKES

Who What Now posted:

She also didn't say "George Zimmermann murdered Taryvon Martin" which would have been even more accurate. So what's your point?

My point is that I expect better from NPR than "this person killed a black kid and is half-white therefore he's white."

Alter Ego posted:

OK, tell me something. Knowing nothing other than the physical description of George Zimmerman, how would you have described him to police?

Amergin posted:

And I would identify George Zimmerman as a "hispanic male with a voracious appetite."

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Best part about this judge is that he comes with Rick Santorum's endorsement.

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant

zoux posted:

Oh and here is the Pentagon's actually developed zombie contingency plan.

quote:

“This plan was not actually designed as a joke. During the summers of 2009 and 2010, while training augmentees from a local training squadron about the [joint operation planning process], members of a [U.S. Strategic Command] component found out (by accident) that the hyperbole involved in writing a ‘zombie survival plan’ actually provided a very useful and effective training tool.
“Planners who attended JPME II at the Joint Combined Warfighting School also realized that training examples for plans must accommodate the political fallout that occurs if the general public mistakenly believes that a fictional training scenario is actually a real plan. Rather than risk such an outcome by teaching our augmentees using the fictional ‘Tunisia’ or ‘Nigeria’ scenarios used at [Joint and Combined Warfighting School], we elected to use a completely impossible scenario that could never be mistaken as a real plan.”

Never say never, boys.

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver
Moneyshot:

quote:

6. (U) Zombie threat summary:
a. (U) CONPLAN 8888 is designed to address the following types of zombie threats:

i. (U) Pathogenic Zombies (PZ):
1. (U) PZ's are zombie life forms created after an organism is infected by a virus or bacteria or some other form of contagion

ii. (U) Radiation Zombies (RZ):
1. (U) RZ's are zombie life forms created after an organism is infected by a extreme dosage of electromagnetic and/or particle radiation

iii. (U) Evil Magic Zombies (EMZ):
1. (U) EMZ's are zombie life forms created via some form of occult experimentation in what might otherwise be referred to as "evil magic"

iv. (U) Space Zombies (SZ):
1. (U) SZ's are zombie life forms originating from space or created by toxic contamination of the earth environment via some form of extra-terrestrial toxin or radiation
2. (U) "Zombie satellites" can be classified as SZ's, however they pose no danger to humans (unless they conduct an unplanned de-orbit). Typically, zombie satellites only pose a threat the SATCOM services like DirectTV (Refer to Galaxy 15 incident-May 2010)

v. (U) Weaponized Zombies (WZ):
1. (U) WZ's are zombie life forms deliberately created via bio/bio-mechanical engineering for the purpose of being employed as weapons. Zombie weaponization programs and supporting infrastructures are included in COAs to deal with these threats.
2. (U) The movie "The Crazies" exemplifies the most common type of WZ (humans turned into zombies via exposure to toxic chemicals/gasses)

vi. (U) Symbiant-Induced Zombies (SIZ):
1. (U) SIZ's are zombie life forms originating from the introduction of a symbiant life form into an otherwise healthy host. Although the symptoms of symbiant zombieism is similar in most
regards to pathogenic zombeism, the symbiant does not kill the host organism quickly, or at all. However, there is no known way to save an organism after zombiesm has occurred-even if the symbiant is removed.

vii. (U) Vegetarian Zombies (VZ):
1. (U) VZ's are zombie life forms originating from any cause but pose no direct threat to humans because they only eat plant life (as indicated in the popular game "Plants Vs. Zombies"). Although VZ's do not attack humans or other animal life, they will consume all plant life in front of them. They can cause massive de-forestation or elimination of basic food
crops essential to humans (rice, corn, soybeans).
2. (U) Of note, where normal carniverouse zombie commonly groan the word "brains" semi-comprehensibly, VZ's can be identified by their aversion to humans, affinity for plants and their tendency to semi-comprehensibly groan the word "grains".

viii.
(U) Chicken Zombies (CZ)
1. (U) Although it sounds ridiculous, this is actually the only proven class of zombie that actually exists.
2. (U) CZ's were first documented in Jonathan M. Forrester's 4 Dec 2006 online article "Zombie Chickens Taking Over California".
3. (U) CZ's occur when old hens that can no longer lay eggs are incorrectly euthanized by poultry farmers using carbon monoxide. The hens are then deposited in large piles to decompose. The hens appear to be dead when buried, but inexplicably come back to life and dig themselves out from the piles of dead chickens. After reaching the surface, CZ's stagger about for a period of time before ultimately expiring due to internal organ failure.
4. (U) CZ's are simply terrifying to behold and are likely only to make people become vegetarians in protest to animal cruelty. They appear to be no direct threat to humans. They are different from WZ's because they are the result of actions taken to kill a living organism vice actions taken to deliberately re-animate dead organisms or impair life functions to a minimal function.

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!

Sword of Chomsky posted:

Hispanic men CAN BE AND ARE WHITE :psyduck:

Wouldn't that be Zimmerman's decision though? It still wouldn't be appropriate to immediately label him as white without any input.

Ghost of Reagan Past
Oct 7, 2003

rock and roll fun
They must have had a ton of fun writing that.

Pohl
Jan 28, 2005




In the future, please post shit with the sole purpose of antagonizing the person running this site. Thank you.

Ghost of Reagan Past posted:

They must have had a ton of fun writing that.

Our tax dollars. :mad:

Amergin
Jan 29, 2013

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Pohl posted:

Our tax dollars. :mad:

Getting a full set of zombie definitions is exactly why we shouldn't cut defense spending.

I also want more details on "occult/evil magic".

Caros
May 14, 2008

Amergin posted:

My point is that I expect better from NPR than "this person killed a black kid and is half-white therefore he's white."

Except that Zimmerman is visibly Caucasian, with a 'white' name. Literally the only reason I know he has any Hispanic background is because I have been told.

And that is on top of the fact that people of Hispanic descent are traditionally still considered 'white'. There is a reason that the term 'non Hispanic white' exists on a lot of political surveys when it comes to self identification.

The same is true of Obama incidentally. He looks black, he identifies as black. He isn't the countries first 'half black' president.

Caros fucked around with this message at 22:34 on May 20, 2014

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Amergin posted:

Getting a full set of zombie definitions is exactly why we shouldn't cut defense spending.

I also want more details on "occult/evil magic".
The tactical decision of the military is that the Chaplain Corps "would likely be necessary in the eradication of Evil Magic Zombies"

Which, by the way, I want to watch that movie.

Boon
Jun 21, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Pohl posted:

Our tax dollars. :mad:

It's actually a pretty good exercise as far as military planning goes... which is the whole point since it's at JPME which is an extensive course with the purpose of developing those skills. Military planning, by the way, extends to things such as "A giant hurricane just crashed into our east coast" and "Oh holy poo poo, a nuclear reactor just went critical from tsunami damage" You know. Things you'd actually want the military to be able to effectively assist with.

But eh, gently caress whatever I don't understand.

Boon fucked around with this message at 22:45 on May 20, 2014

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Caros posted:

Except that Zimmerman is visibly Caucasian, with a 'white' name. Literally the only reason I know he has any Hispanic background is because I have been told.

And that is on top of the fact that people of Hispanic descent are traditionally still considered 'white'. There is a reason that the term 'non Hispanic white' exists on a lot of political surveys when it comes to self identification.

The same is true of Obama incidentally. He looks black, he identifies as black. He isn't the countries first 'half black' president.

Weird how the vast majority of people to bring up that Obama is only half-black are white, isn't it?

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Amergin posted:

Like I said, most of the content was pretty objective, interesting and insightful. However now and then they get a professor who tells me that I'm afraid because our president is black and I just have to roll my eyes.

Relax, they're not talking about you, you're one of the good ones.

Anyway, it's cool, I have straight white male friends and they're okay. But until white heterosexuals start taking responsibility for fixing the problems in white hetero culture, these things are just going to happen.

VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 22:46 on May 20, 2014

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump

Caros posted:

Except that Zimmerman is visibly Caucasian, with a 'white' name. Literally the only reason I know he has any Hispanic background is because I have been told.

I think your memory might be a little cloudy. It's very easy to see that Zimmerman is part Hispanic at a glance

Not that it matters, since the definition of white is ever changing. If this was the 1800s we could just as easily be having a conversation about whether the media is biased for calling someone white when he's actually half Irish.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006



Amergin is literally a porn site trollbot and you guys are clicking on him.

D1Sergo
May 5, 2006

Be sure to take a 15-minute break every hour.

Amergin posted:


I also want more details on "occult/evil magic".

I can imagine an entire Bureaucratic form just for identifying the evil magic properties of a raised zombie.


"Are your zombies raised by a single Necromancer or a cabal in a ritual? Is the spell/ritual complete or is it ongoing? Do the zombies crumble with the Necromancer in question is killed or are they self sustaining? Is your magic source natural, arcane, or are we talking about a full fledged demonic possession here? Please fill this out in triplicate and submit it to the relevant agencies."

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Sword of Chomsky posted:

Why do I, as a white male, have to listen about the problems that non-white people have? - A serious question.

:fuckoff: is the only appropriate response.

There's value in the idea that spreading the news throughout the day avoids ghettoization of these issues, but it could be argued that doing so also devalues the news itself by merging it with the dominant thread of white people issues in the rest of the news.

Really you need both a dedicated show AND integrated stories in All Things Considered.

Zuhzuhzombie!!
Apr 17, 2008
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MaxxBot posted:

Wouldn't that be Zimmerman's decision though? It still wouldn't be appropriate to immediately label him as white without any input.

What's he gonna be? Asian because he feels like an Asian at heart?

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

What's he gonna be? Asian because he feels like an Asian at heart?

Can't we just call everyone African and be done with it?

Bhaal
Jul 13, 2001
I ain't going down alone
Dr. Infant, MD
Speaking of race and identity--and I hope linking tangent related content isn't too verboten because I seem to have a habit of it--this is a pretty great and somewhat illuminating piece about just how ingrained this stuff can be.

https://soundcloud.com/stateofthereunion/the-entire-pike-county-ohio/

Their brief description:

quote:

In this episode Al Letson and guest producer Lu Olkowski visit a tiny town in the Appalachian foothills of Ohio where, for a century, residents have shared the common bond of identifying as African-American despite the fact that they look white. Racial lines have been blurred to invisibility, and people inside the same family can vehemently disagree about whether they are black or white. It can be tense and confusing. As a result, everyone’s choosing: Am I black? Am I mixed race? Or, am I white? Adding to the confusion, there’s a movement afoot to recognize their Native-American heritage.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

ChampRamp posted:

Representative Ted Yoho (Pirate-FL), known hater of absentee voting, wishes to make voting tougher by limiting it to property owners. These comments were made during the 2012 election cycle, where he also stated “I fear for the country, two and a half years from now we may not be able to vote.”

We have another year before we won't be able to vote anymore! Better show up for the midterms for your final voting.

E: I really miss the GOP Rebuilding thread.

Yohoho and a bottle of Night Train also gave a Coach-like "I never took anything from anybody" except you know, that time he was on food stamps.

Amergin
Jan 29, 2013

THE SOUND A WET FART MAKES

Stultus Maximus posted:

Yohoho and a bottle of Night Train also gave a Coach-like "I never took anything from anybody" except you know, that time he was on food stamps.

But he earned those foodstamps unlike those other mooching poors.

Koalas March
May 21, 2007



Amergin posted:

My point is that I expect better from NPR than "this person killed a black kid and is half-white therefore he's white."

Zimmerman identifies as white. (Its on his court docs, iirc) and Obama identifies as black. Also White hispanics are a thing that exist.

But you've been told this multiple times, so why are you still beating this drum?

Booze chat: I've always wanted to get some Night Train but alas. I've got some Brandy though. And that's awesome.

UrielX
Jan 4, 2008

Alter Ego posted:

Best part about this judge is that he comes with Rick Santorum's endorsement.

As a native Yinzer I've been reading all day (moreso then usual) about that case. It never ceases to amaze me how many die hard "Mericans" talk out of their asses about the Constitution, without having ever read it.

I've seen about 80 "state's rights" posts today. Seriously reading the Constitution takes like 12 minutes, is equal protections really that loving hard to grasp?

Amergin
Jan 29, 2013

THE SOUND A WET FART MAKES

Koalas March posted:

Zimmerman identifies as white. (Its on his court docs, iirc) and Obama identifies as black. Also White hispanics are a thing that exist.

But you've been told this multiple times, so why are you still beating this drum?

Booze chat: I've always wanted to get some Night Train but alas. I've got some Brandy though. And that's awesome.

"On voter registration forms, George Zimmerman identified himself as Hispanic, as did his mother. His father, Robert, listed himself as white on voter registration forms. Zimmerman's mother, Gladys, is originally from Peru."

And for some extra input:

To be blunt, Zimmerman's skin tone is the same as mine, a medium brown.
But I would not personally identify as white. My heritage is 100 percent Mexican. My maternal great-grandfather left Mexico for Texas in 1890 and my paternal grandparents migrated from Mexico in the 1920s.


If a Mexican is pale enough can I call him/her white and laugh at people who try to tell me differently?

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe
Splendid, I didn't think I could be any more annoyed by TMM's cancellation. Now I've read Amergin holding forth about how problematic it was because it tried "too hard" to focus on race. Pressed for examples he went full Zimmerman. Splendid!

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Amergin
Jan 29, 2013

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SedanChair posted:

Splendid, I didn't think I could be any more annoyed by TMM's cancellation. Now I've read Amergin holding forth about how problematic it was because it tried "too hard" to focus on race. Pressed for examples he went full Zimmerman. Splendid!

Were you drunk when you were reading my posts? Because I think you were.

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