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I decided I really didn't want to debate the entire bo Jackson thing because I don't give a poo poo and his situation WAS entirely different. Edit if contracts and retirement worked as slip up is portraying them to we would have zero use for any of the tags, FYI. Amy Pole Her fucked around with this message at 22:15 on May 21, 2014 |
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May 21, 2014 22:12
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Yeah I don't either for the Suh stuff, just Bo falling didn't seem like an accurate description of that whole mess. Man we make fun of Cleveland or Buffalo or whoever these days but nothing beats the 80s Bucs.
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May 21, 2014 22:14
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Actually aaadolf I had specifically commented on it happening within the last ten years. Bo was way before that. But hey, good try buddy. You laugh at the thought of a player valuing something else over money but it happens all the time. Hell, there was even a player this year who tanked his workout to try to get on the team he wanted. (Sure, he was totally crazy.) Why dont you explain exactly why the Favre situation was totally only possible that one specific time? E: or not I guess.
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May 21, 2014 22:14
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Doltos posted:Instead of burning twin towers can someone photoshop handlebar mustaches on all of them? That would be most delightful. 
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May 21, 2014 22:15
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Bo fell because he wasn't expected to come back to football. Al Davis had to promise he could continue to play baseball. Also the Buccaneers should've had their franchise expunged and replaced with the USFL Bandits.
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May 21, 2014 22:17
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SlipUp posted:He could sign first and then retire. These three situations were brought up in the context of situations where a player got to pick their own team sans FA. If we're strictly talking unsigned Suh it would've been more of an Eli or even TO type of situation. I guess that's a wild hypothetical. The player would still have to request to be released from their contract before signing elsewhere, and probably would have to take a year off of football in the meantime. I don't know much about the TO situation, reading the Wiki makes it sound like a cock-up between his old agent and his new agent, not TO pissing all over the Ravens specifically.
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May 21, 2014 22:18
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I'll break down the Farve thing but where the hell did I laugh at the thought of a player valuing things over money? You pulled that outta nowhere Edit: phone postin but The favre situation was different for the simple fact the jets couldn't trade him without giving a huge pick to the packers. It was part of THEIR trade agreement. He had one year left and was 40. You're talking like a rookie can retire, wait it out, then go sign elsewhere as a FA. Again that's not really how it works. I believe it's called the retired reserved list? I have to check Amy Pole Her fucked around with this message at 22:28 on May 21, 2014 |
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May 21, 2014 22:23
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Reserve-Retired list, and explicitly is to allow teams with a player under contract to keep their rights if they attempt to unretire, while also not having to pay them while they're retired. For a drafted rookie, they can sit out the draft and re-apply for the draft the next year. Once that full year is up, they're free to re-apply to the draft, but until then, the team does own their rights. Of course, unless you happen to be a particularly good baseball player, the scenario where that makes any kind of sense is pretty slim.
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May 21, 2014 22:34
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I was replying to your comment highlighting the absurdity of a player bombing his workouts to be drafted by a better team. I assume the motivation to not do that is how much money would be lost.
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May 21, 2014 22:36
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AAA DOLFAN posted:I'll break down the Farve thing but where the hell did I laugh at the thought of a player valuing things over money? You pulled that outta nowhere Yeah there's a reserved/retired list that doesn't count against the roster. I think any guaranteed money you paid still has to be paid out, like usual, there's not much info I can find on Google at the moment about it. Favre was Green Bay getting tired of dealing with Favre's perennial act of mulling retirement and realized what they had in Rodgers, so they shipped him to New York. One of the clauses, as you mentioned, was the Jets taking a huge penalty if they traded Favre to Minnesota (might have been other NFC North teams too, I can't remember). Favre has a mediocre year in New York, "retires" the following offseason. What happened next was I guarantee Favre's agent asked to be released from the contract, so Favre could sign a one-day contract and retire a Packer. Favre doesn't have a contract and New York isn't responsible for the "no trading to our rivals" clause so Favre goes to Minnesota because he wants to gently caress over Green Bay. Now, if you're telling me that a 21 year old player can do that, then yes, a draftee can choose wherever he wants to play.
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May 21, 2014 22:36
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A prospect like Andrew Luck might have been able to "choose" within reason; if he said "I'm not playing for Indy no matter what, come at me bro" they'd have a tough time drafting him and then taking the risk that he doesn't sign versus taking the king's ransom they'd get in exchange for the draft spot. I'm not sure how much pull he or his agent would have over who would make the trade for him though.
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May 21, 2014 22:44
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Kalli posted:Also the Buccaneers should've had their franchise expunged and replaced with the USFL Bandits. My god check this out, Tampa's first round picks from 1984 to '95. Someone do the Lions under Millen so we can compare: 1984 #1 - Traded away in '83 I believe (Irving Fryar was picked there) 1985 #8 Ron Holmes, DE--played a while, was never great. Like everyone else his best year was after he left Tampa 1986 #1 Bo, RB, Best athlete ever--Amazing, just not for the Bucs 1987 #1 Vinny Testaverde--Pretty good career, just not for the Bucs 1988 #4 Paul Gruber, OT--Good player, on the Bucs ring of honor 1989 #6 Broderick Thomas, LB--unfortunately not related to and was nothing like Derrick 1990 #4 Keith McCants, DE--Junior Seau went #5. McCants was out of football in 6 years 1991 #7 Charles McRae, OT--Backup O lineman type, started one year at RT and most of a year at LG, other than that a few years of not playing a ton 1992 #2 - Traded to the Colts who took Quentin Coryatt. The Colts also had the #1 pick on their own merit and took Steve Emptman. loving ouch. 1993 #6 Eric Curry, DE--7 year career, 12.5 sacks 1994 #6 Trent Dilfer, QB--Trent Dilfer once made a pro bowl, did you know? I'm sure he'll tell you all about it 1995 #7 - Traded to Eagles who took Mike Mamula, Tampa ended up with Sapp and finally someone who was good on their team (other than Gruber I guess). That's 11 straight years of picking (or originally having the rights to pick) in the top 8.
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May 21, 2014 22:47
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Years removed from that whole incident I think it's loving hilarious how badly Favre hated Green Bay and went out of his way to get revenge on the team and Ted Thompson.
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May 21, 2014 22:51
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bewbies posted:A prospect like Andrew Luck might have been able to "choose" within reason; if he said "I'm not playing for Indy no matter what, come at me bro" they'd have a tough time drafting him and then taking the risk that he doesn't sign versus taking the king's ransom they'd get in exchange for the draft spot. I'm not sure how much pull he or his agent would have over who would make the trade for him though. He probably should've.
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May 21, 2014 22:55
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SlipUp posted:And who would dare retire to void contractual obligations and (almost) immediately sign with whatever team you like? Totally unethical, I'm sure anyone who did that would be immediately blackballed from the league! I agree, Eddie Kennison is a punk bitch.
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May 21, 2014 22:56
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Matt Millen: 0-16, 0 playoff appearances. That's all you need to know. SlipUp posted:I was replying to your comment highlighting the absurdity of a player bombing his workouts to be drafted by a better team. I assume the motivation to not do that is how much money would be lost. Who are you referring as having bombed their workout to play for a team they wanted to? Dattserberg fucked around with this message at 23:06 on May 21, 2014 |
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May 21, 2014 22:56
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Grittybeard posted:My god check this out, Tampa's first round picks from 1984 to '95. Someone do the Lions under Millen so we can compare: The Bandits were also drawing as many if not more people to games as the Buccaneers. And they had BANDIT BALL, and Steve Spurrier was their head coach. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fP9Ae37dFs There is a sweep into a reverse toss to the QB screen pass in this video.
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May 21, 2014 23:04
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Dattserberg posted:Matt Millen: 0-16, 0 playoff appearances. Like I get that he was bad, but the Bucs match both of these things at different times, or would if they were allowed to play 16 games. They obviously weren't making the playoffs during the streak I posted about. I glanced at the Lions while Millen was around, it's very very bad but probably not as bad. Mainly because of Megatron and the Fords finally firing him.
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May 21, 2014 23:25
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Knightmere posted:I agree, Eddie Kennison is a punk bitch. Eddie Kennison has to be the most marginal player an entire fanbase has ever felt genuinely slighted by.
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May 21, 2014 23:39
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MourningView posted:Eddie Kennison has to be the most marginal player an entire fanbase has ever felt genuinely slighted by. That probably made it worse, really.
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May 21, 2014 23:45
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Eddie Kennison is a hero.
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May 21, 2014 23:52
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shiksa posted:He probably should've. He might be in DC if he had
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May 22, 2014 00:22
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Brannock posted:Years removed from that whole incident I think it's loving hilarious how badly Favre hated Green Bay and went out of his way to get revenge on the team and Ted Thompson. wow. pretty much. Dattserberg posted:Who are you referring as having bombed their workout to play for a team they wanted to? Adam Muema skipped the Combine and his pro day because this dude:  told him that god would will Seattle to draft him if he skipped it. So yeah... Pretty dumb strategy for a mediocre back from a small school. He's since given up football and is a full time cultist, so livin' the dream I guess.
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May 22, 2014 00:28
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SlipUp posted:wow. pretty much. praise be Jason Christ
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May 22, 2014 00:42
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I was always under the thought that part of Brett Favres ego/divaness came around the time of 2005 season when Sherman was coach and his goddamn philosophy was "let Favre do whatever" whereas Holmgren wasn't afraid to smack him on the head a couple of times.
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May 22, 2014 00:45
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Dattserberg posted:It's Miami guys, Miami is the worst sport town. Right state, wrong city. We Tampans are truly the worst.
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May 22, 2014 01:47
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Aldon Smith plead no contest to 3 felony counts of gun possession and 1 misdemeanor DUI charge. Sentencing to come July 25
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May 22, 2014 01:55
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Grittybeard posted:Like I get that he was bad, but the Bucs match both of these things at different times, or would if they were allowed to play 16 games. They obviously weren't making the playoffs during the streak I posted about. The Fords extended him before they fired him  I get that TB was bad, but there's just something so awful about it being your team and you really not knowing anything other than being a laughing stock.
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May 22, 2014 01:56
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Rap posted:because...................................................................................you touch...........................................yourself.............. I personally feel bad that you ate a probie for making a joke on a comedy website.
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May 22, 2014 02:35
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shiksa posted:Favre has a mediocre year in New York, "retires" the following offseason. What happened next was I guarantee Favre's agent asked to be released from the contract, so Favre could sign a one-day contract and retire a Packer. Favre doesn't have a contract and New York isn't responsible for the "no trading to our rivals" clause so Favre goes to Minnesota because he wants to gently caress over Green Bay.
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May 22, 2014 03:21
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Sweeney Tom posted:Aldon Smith plead no contest to 3 felony counts of gun possession and 1 misdemeanor DUI charge. Sentencing to come July 25 IS this new stuff or the old stuff? Because if its new haha.
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May 22, 2014 03:26
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:IS this new stuff or the old stuff? Because if its new haha. The stuff he did a month or two ago
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May 22, 2014 03:45
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Speaking of the DUI, I do auto inspections for an auto insurance company in San Jose & I did an inspection the other day at the shop where Aldon takes his cars. I commented that he must be good for business. Apparently the owner & Aldon Smith are friends and the owner was not amused.
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May 22, 2014 04:03
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MourningView posted:Eddie Kennison has to be the most marginal player an entire fanbase has ever felt genuinely slighted by.
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May 22, 2014 04:16
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Quest For Glory II posted:Tim Tebow What fanbase feels slighted by Tebow?
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May 22, 2014 04:18
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Spoeank posted:Speaking of the DUI, I do auto inspections for an auto insurance company in San Jose & I did an inspection the other day at the shop where Aldon takes his cars. So the answer was yes then?
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May 22, 2014 04:25
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swickles posted:What fanbase feels slighted by Tebow? Josh McDaniels has a fanbase?
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May 22, 2014 04:36
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swickles posted:What fanbase feels slighted by Tebow? e: serious answer would probably be the Jets because Tebow talk took up their entire season and he had like 20 total touches TFF as a whole was pissed that he never got to start because that would have been magical The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 04:53 on May 22, 2014 |
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May 22, 2014 04:40
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Slighted means the fanbase expected a guy to stay for a new contract or what have you. You can't be slighted by a player when they are cut or traded. You might feel slighted by the team, but that wasn't the players decision.
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May 22, 2014 04:46
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I'm a Philly sports fan, we don't care under what circumstances a person left, we boo all of them except for Jim Thome The applause for Andy Reid was a digital trick by NFL Network
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May 22, 2014 04:49
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